Trying to find history/photos of this road runner

hemikev · HAMILTON, ONT

Trying to find history/photos of this road runner

poncho62 · ADMINISTRATOR

The name does ring a bell...Probably saw it at the old Golden Horseshoe Dragway ...or at Harveys (Jane & 401) like it says on the fender

flatduck · SUDBURY, ONT

lolll i think you have to many rare hemi s so ................why the green cuda fastback ........can t help you for your story cause i never live in t o ronto ................but you have to many mopars lolllllllllllll

hemikev · HAMILTON, ONT

Lol i dont own the cuda nor the runner , thats the place where i bought my Charger,. clearly hes livin the mopar life, cuda 383 car ,,, that Roadrunner is factory hemi 4 sd , theres more mopars there ... take care hemikev

flatduck · SUDBURY, ONT

383 cuda is sure another rare mopar

Rusty Nuts · ONTARIO

Saw your post titled "musclecar guy from Hamilton". I would suggest you grab any pictures you have of the Hemi Runner and attend the "Dragstrip Memories" event/show at the Hamilton airport this Sunday. Apparently the show is based around dragracing from years ago at Dragway Park Cayuga. I'd go there and ask around/show the pics ... never know, you might even find someone there with pics of it from years ago.

As mentioned earlier, I only know that Eddie Hornoff owned both cars for decades ... don't know anymore than that though. Good luck in your search.

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Rusty Nuts · ONTARIO

Eddie Hornoff owned the Ground Pounder for many years. I think you will find that both your Charger and the Runner were purchased from him (I'm thinking he lives in Pefferlaw .. grew up in Greenwood). He put one of the Hemi engines in a Datsun drag car (not kidding here ... one of the 240Z style cars). To my knowledge, the Datsun was never finished. My guess is that you are looking for info from before Eddie owned the two cars ... sorry, can't help you there.

If the cars were not purchased directly from Eddie, then he is the person you need to speak to ... as far as I know, he owned both those cars for decades. I do not know exactly when Eddie aquired the two cars , but if he wasn't the owner during the Harveys racing days, he might be able to shed some light on who the owner was at that time.

Good luck

Wonder if it was the original engine from your Charger that made its way into the Datsun.

sasquatch · NORTH BAY, ONT

I can't help much with any info, but i think i remember seeing that car when i ran at Cayuga or St. Thomas, it's been a lot of years for an old fella! Lol

hemikev · HAMILTON, ONT

Wow was it eddie who street raced the runner , the guy i bought my charger from purchased both cars at an estate sale ,,, I understand Eddie ??? or other previous owner lost everything when was admitted to mental institution ,, did you c both cars back in day ?? did you know eddie ?? imso glad i joined this site and yes will go to airport as i live very close , thanx for the info

Slammed 35 · HOOTERVILLE, ONT

Heres a link. http://dragstripmemories.com/

I'll be there all day at the Piston Pushers display. Stop by and say hi.

Scot (another Mopar Fan)

-- Edited by Slammed 35 on Saturday 14th of April 2012 03:53:04 AM

Adslow65 · LINDSAY, ONT

You've come to the right place! sorry I can't help you, but just wanted to say good luck with you're search. Hopefully you can attend the Dragstrip Memories show...... seems like the perfect spot to find out exactly what you want to know! Keep us posted!

hemikev · HAMILTON, ONT

never been to this show whats there what can i xpect to find there ??

Rusty Nuts · ONTARIO

I don't know when Eddie Hornoff got the Runner (or the Charger), but I do know it was around '83 when I first heard that Eddie owned the Runner (and the Hemi Datsun). It was my understanding at the time that Eddie had owned the Ground Pounder for many years before '83. I met Ed through a friend. I never heard the story about anyone towing the Runner with a Hemi Charger though (doesn't mean it didn't happen). I last bumped into Eddie around 2005 (ish) and he still owned the Ground Pounder and it was at that time I learned he also owned a '66 Hemi Charger. He was talking about selling them then. I do not know if this estate sale/mental institution thing was related to Eddie Hornoff or if he had sold both cars by that point and the last owner/buyer of the cars from Eddie is in the metal institution ... or maybe the estate sale story is just that ... a story.

Eddie Bryck owns the Chassis Shop, a racecar building business. He was a racer (strip for sure, don't know about street) back in the 60's and is still a racer to this day. The Chassis Shop is still operating out of Pickering Ont. Eddie Bryck might remember the Ground Pounder and has definitely done business with Eddie Hornoff years ago and might just possibly still be in contact with him.

The Chassis Shop
1652A Bayly St.
Pickering,Ontario
L1W 1L9

905-420-1381 I think the email is www.chassisshop.ca and it is still run by Eddie Bryck

Just curious, wouldn't your "transfer package" that was needed in order to transfer ownership when you bought the Charger show the ownership history of your Charger? Obviously if the Runner was never registered (assuming there is truth to that) it wouldn't have a traceable history as far as paperwork goes but your Charger transfer package should show all previous Ontario owners. As I stated earlier, I do know Ed owned the Charger in the mid 2000's, so he would/should definitely show up on the package. It would not give his exact address but it would show what town/city he lived in.

I just poked around on the 'net and was not able to find any contact info for a Hornoff in Pefferlaw. I also checked for a Hornoff in Greenwood and nothing came up there either (must be unlisted number). I do know his parents still live in the same house (in Greenwood), but also understand they are very private people (and also very old at this point) and I do not believe they would be happy talking about Eddie (or his cars) if he is now in a mental institute.

Keep us posted on what (if anything) you find out from Eddie Bryck or the Dragstrip Memories show.

Just curious ... did the guy you bought from give you a name of the previous owner or is he just saying "estate sale" and no other info? If the estate sale was because of mental issues/confinement, wouldn't the guy you bought from know the name of the person the estate sale was held for? If Eddie Hornoff IS the guy locked away for metal health reasons then it sounds like he isn't going to be of much help. Hopefully the Dragstrip Memories show gets you the info you are looking for.

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Rusty Nuts · ONTARIO

Did the person who told you about the mental institution specifically name Eddie Hornoff or are you just assuming it was him? Who was the last owner on the transfer package?

Actually, I think I can answer the last question myself. If it was last plated in Ontario in '74 it most likely isn't even in the computer system at the ministry.

-- Edited by Rusty Nuts on Saturday 14th of April 2012 10:22:11 AM

sasquatch · NORTH BAY, ONT

Good reply Rusty Nuts.

While reading through this posting about Mr hornoff possibly being in a mental institution or where ever, The thought came to mind, that What if these were all just stories, and he happened to start reading here???

Could be kind of a comical situation!! Lol

hemikev · HAMILTON, ONT

Hi Rusty , you are a wealth of info , you said you met eddie in 83 , My car still has its plates on it and last on road 1974 . maybe your right maybe my charger gave up its motor to that datson ,mmmmm I am going to drag memory show at the airport on sunday , maybe some people there might old pics from local dragstrips , might get lucky.. as for eddie im hospital , it was a guy in the who has been in the mopar buis since early 80s , who told me about eddies misfortune , Ive known him since mid 80 s ....either way his cars still around ,,hope the best for eddie... Hopee he does pop here ... If your or your buddies from back in the day have any more memories of eddie or charger/runner that would be kool take care and thanx , scott see you at the airport !!!!!!!!!!!!

hemikev · HAMILTON, ONT

You are correct sir not in the system with mto , Otherwwise finding history would be much easier . maybe strike paydirt at airport show.. 1 thing forgot to mention , on thurs a bodyguy friend was here to check car out , when car was in the shade he noticed the car had at 1 time hand painting on the doors or big ass decals , very faint but almost can read will take a pic and post ,,cant help but wonder if eddie had his race team logo on doors thanx Rusty you rock take care hemikev

flatduck · SUDBURY, ONT

i could be wrong but i ll check back on my papers the buyer package only can go to 73 .........i think it as to do about 73 being the year we start keeping the same plate and just put a new sticker every year after instead of new plates

flatduck · SUDBURY, ONT

i just check on the buyer package for my 56 monarch and it only show from 73

hemikev · HAMILTON, ONT

thats only if changed hands or licenced through the yrs just my thinking tho

hemikev · HAMILTON, ONT

i got an email from a friend today , asked if i knew a Don Clark as he had lots of hemi cars back in the day , any 1 heard of Don Clark

sasquatch · NORTH BAY, ONT

Instead of Don Clark, could it possibly be Don Cloak? He had dragged a fast hemi or two, think he was from TO.?
One Hemi he had was painted on the side as "Cloaks Hanger". Ran Cayuga when i saw him.

427CARL · CLINTON, ONT

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sasquatch · NORTH BAY, ONT

Interesting post to follow!! Just wondered a week or so ago if anything else had turned up on the "Ground Pounder" car.

Sounds like you may be getting closer in your'e search., hope to see another update later on.

Pint and a Pound · AJAX, ONT

HemiKev. I just found out some info. In the obituaries in my local paper a woman by the name of Hornov has just passed away. She is listed as being the mother of Edward, Peter and Anne. This IS the mother of the Edward that used to own your Charger and the Runner. The correct spelling of their last name is Hornov NOT Hornoff. I do not know if the stories of Edward having "issues" is correct but I did some poking around and there are only two Hornovs listed in Ontario. The address/phone number for "E" Hornov is NOT Edward it is his mother Elizabeth who just passed away ... the other is a Peter Hornov listed as living in Lakefield Ontario, I would suspect that this is Eddies brother Peter who just might be able to fill you in on the history of the RoadRunner and the Charger or possibly get you in touch with Ed himself.

Please keep in mind that Peter (and Eds) mother has just passed away so I wouldn't be in a rush to call him anytime soon. Get Peters contact info off Canada411 so you have it, then give him a call early in the new year (his mom just passing, the house probably be going up for sale, Christmas/New Years just around the corner ... waiting before making the call would be the right thing to do).

Hope this helps ...

hemikev · HAMILTON, ONT

Yes it was eddie that owned the car , and heard about the datsun / hemi . Eddie did have some kind of mental breakdown and has been in a home ( if still alive ) he ended up loosing all he owned ( runner-charger-datson and more ) .I bet he would have had some fantastic back in the day stories.. As for the guy who owns the runner now, when eddie lost everything , this guy was told to clear the property of everything and take whatever he wanted after the proper notices and wait time ,,, and after the land was cleared there was an auction for the rest , Eddie lost all . sad story . but guy i got charger from won the lottery...

I did go to the drag race memory show , i did go , it was such a busy day there , as for early pics, i did see alot from all the old local drag strips , would have taken all weekend to go through all the photos that day.

Thanx for the info pint and a pound.. when i find out more i will post , take care and thanx kev

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Pint and a Pound · AJAX, ONT

I just sent you a pm .... Eddies mother just passed away and Eddie is listed on her obit not as having predeceased her. So that means he IS still alive.

Pint and a Pound · AJAX, ONT

I just want to add, the story of Eddie losing everything just sounds too strange to be true. Those cars were worth some money and he knew that (and knew people who knew that). Being told to "clean up the property and take whatever you want" ... that's a bit hard to swallow. I am not saying you aren't telling the truth, it just sounds like you may not have been told the truth.

I guess it is possible, maybe if his wife left him and he lost his job and failed to pay taxes etc the gov't could force the clean up and sale of his house ... but ... where were his two kids or his brother or sister when this (allegedly) happened? (his mom would have still been alive then too). Just sounds too unbelievable.

Based on the wording of his moms obit, Ed IS still alive, so maybe there is a chance to get in contact with him. I do know one other person who knew Eddie, and I will be sure to ask them about Ed next time I run into him.

Pint and a Pound · AJAX, ONT

One other thing that strikes me as more than a bit odd with this story is that you were told the Road Runner was never titled for the street. Yes, that could be true but how did the guy you got your car from know that? If Eddie was so "lost" mentally that he had been removed from his house and put in an institution ... where did this guy get that info? According to what you were told, he was just hired to clean up the property and take whatever he wanted ... well, I doubt very much Eddie was there talking with him that day and told him that ... I'm sorry, I'm just not buying the story you've been told.

Carlover · Member

Where do you guys get your information from? I think you should learn your facts before writing it on the internet... because yes maybe he has come across this... just for you all to know, he was not in a mental institution And never has been..Its nice to know that people out there have their facts straight. Yes he owned that car and its none of anyones business... DO NOT CALL his family asking questions either. If you say you know him, guess not Since you are all referring to him as being in a mental institution. It is none of your business what happened or where he is..

i just happened to come across this and I am disgusted.. I could tell you everything about the car but wont now.

Hotrodron · BELLE EWART, ONT

I could tell you everything about the car but wont now....

now thats some childish behavior

entourageguy · BARRIE, ONT

Carlover wrote:
Where do you guys get your information from? I think you should learn your facts before writing it on the internet... because yes maybe he has come across this... just for you all to know, he was not in a mental institution And never has been..Its nice to know that people out there have their facts straight. Yes he owned that car and its none of anyones business... DO NOT CALL his family asking questions either. If you say you know him, guess not Since you are all referring to him as being in a mental institution. It is none of your business what happened or where he is..
i just happened to come across this and I am disgusted.. I could tell you everything about the car but wont now.

Wow welcome to the site! Drop in don't fill in any info on yourself then rip a new a** h**e for a bunch of people. do tell if your full of the correct info.

slim · DUNDAS, ONT

So lets get the story straight . Guy named eddie owns car untill it gets beaten by a stock ford pinto. eddie then trys to commit harrycarry over the shame of it all and gets locked down in the rubber room with some cat named carlover. who is there for tailpipe buggery. HE and eddie play tiddly winks with out the tiddlys to pass the time. Hay great story so far. should be worth a bunndle when you get the full scoupe.

Beachcat · WASAGA BEACH, ONT

maybe carlover,,,,,,,,,,,,,,is eddie doh

hemikev · HAMILTON, ONT

Ive been away most of day. gettin mess alerts on my cell..
Wow carlover. U sond like u have issues. .u joined site for that wow.

hemikev · HAMILTON, ONT

slim wrote:
So lets get the story straight . Guy named eddie owns car untill it gets beaten by a stock ford pinto. eddie then trys to commit harrycarry over the shame of it all and gets locked down in the rubber room with some cat named carlover. who is there for tailpipe buggery. HE and eddie play tiddly winks with out the tiddlys to pass the time. Hay great story so far. should be worth a bunndle when you get the full scoupe.

just makin the car more veluable with a story like this now thats history... new name for car ..Krazy Charger

dude who ever you are ..come on board introduce yourself .and enlighten us with what u know..or pm me .

Carlover · Member

Im his daughter.

hemikev · HAMILTON, ONT

Well enlighten us about how he lost his great cars, I'm glad you came back on pm me and will xplain where story came from. You don't want dirty laundry here...If in fact u are eds girl, I can't see why u wouldn't contact..he had some fantastic muscle cars and was well know.

Beachcat · WASAGA BEACH, ONT

nevermind PMing anyone. Tell your story here. We want to hear it. And kudos to you for standing up for your dad!

hemikev · HAMILTON, ONT

I'm all 4 that to, but dirty laundry is best discussed 1st. ,then up to her to post her story, either way I'm Kool with whatever she decides...looks like taking after her dad and hope she has some serious muscle like he did

Carlover · Member

So you all know who he is? And yes i would stick up for him. No one comes between me and my dad.

hotroddonnie · BARRIE, ONT

WOW!

hemikev · HAMILTON, ONT

If u were into Mopar muscle guy back in the day yes,,most people here. Are not. Most are street rodders, If you are who you say you are and you want to stick up for dad, and that's Kool but no 1 steer hearing your side. U could be any 1. , so. Say your peace. Tell ur dad's story,

Carlover · Member

He built the engine that went into that car by him self. There is a road runner that used to sit in the seat of the car when he wasnt racing. He won a lot of trophies and stuff racing that car. It was a well known car back in the day. He loved that car more than anything else

hemikev · HAMILTON, ONT

That's your story lady. Really. Wow. I'm convinced. U got to do better then that, the way you came on this thread like a mad woman. , remember the thread title. Trying to find out history. ,, that all you have. Wow

Carlover · Member

Youdont have to believe me. But i have pictures of him in the car and i know the truth.

hemikev · HAMILTON, ONT

Post the pics. , there's a reason why he lost all those muscle cars. , waiting on proof here, you got all messed when read mental illness. , your not a convincing person here so far

sasquatch · NORTH BAY, ONT

Carlover, there are many many people here who would appreciate seeing those pics you have of your'e dad with his car/cars.
Please join the site, i,m sure you have lots to contribute here, with Ed being your'e dad, you must be well aquainted with cars and things from that era.

Gearhead · ELORA, ONT

Carlover, this is a very unique story has a lot of us piqued. Please do share with us the story of your Father and his cars. Many of us would also like to know if this car has been saved from rotting away in the mud.

Reverse IS a gear · New Member

Carlover,

I would like to point out that Hemikev started this post hoping to find information/pictures/history on the Hemi Charger he purchased and the "Ground Pounder" Road Runner. Rusty Nuts chimed in with some information regarding his knowledge of a previous owner of both those cars (who apparently owned the cars for several decades) and that locating that previous owner would (if the person could be found) most likely lead to a great many tales and hopefully some pictures of the lives both those cars lived. HemiKev simply stated that he was aware of the previous owner that Rusty Nuts mentioned and that it was his understanding that Ed H was not available as a source for information due to him being told a story about your fathers alleged health issues. You should also note that Pint and a Pound mentions that the story of mental illness/being locked away does not sound realistic at all and is therefore most likely just a pathetic fabrication with no truth to it.

You have registered under the name "Carlover" ... well that is what we here are too ... car lovers, and we would love to hear any stories you or your father have regarding the Charger and the Road Runner. Any pictures would also be wonderful.

As for why your father sold the cars or his health ... that is none of our business and is not the focus of this thread.

I would like to suggest that both you (Carlover) and HemiKev contact the administration on this site and have this entire thread removed, which would mean ALL posts mentioning the rumoured mental issues would be removed with it. HemiKev could then start a new thread regarding the search for information on the Charger and the Road Runner and it would be absolutely fantastic if either you or your father would post any stories, memories and pictures on the new thread.

In hindsight, it most certainly would have been best if any mention of alleged specific health issues had been done through a pm, but we are mostly old(ish) farts on this site and sometimes forget that the rest of the world can access our conversations ... I am sorry what was said has upset you (and members of your family) and would like to apologize.

PS ... so what happened to the Datsun with the Hemi in it? As far I understand it, the Charger and the Runner were purchased by one person but there has been no mention of what happened to the Datsun ... was it ever finished? Does Ed still own it?