1969 Chevrolet Camaro Coupe

hemi43 · ONTARIO

Salvage title.

Beachcat · WASAGA BEACH, ONT

Does anyone know what entity it is that would inspect a salvage titled, rebuilt car and clear it for use?

hemi43 · ONTARIO

Are you talking about getting structural certification? in our area, the only place that does them is in Omemee. If this is what you're looking for, I can make a phone call and get you a business name.

Beachcat · WASAGA BEACH, ONT

Thanks Dan, I was just curious for now. Don't need the service for a while. I imagine it would not be the local mechanic doing this stuff.

427CARL · CLINTON, ONT

http://www.ciia.com/provinces/ontario/type6.html

427CARL · CLINTON, ONT

yes structural then regular safety I have a re-built title on my 2000 S10 and my 2003 Sunfire.....

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

most large volume body shops have a frame machine that can verify a cars structure and they are mostly licensed to do a structural check

henrys57wagon · WOODLAWN, ONT

I was looking at Copart and they have flood classic cars and was told by a buddy that flood cars were only to be brought in as parts or scrap. I did not see that in the doc below, so is he correct?

TIME TRAVELLER · NIAGARA REGION, ONT

Henry57, under the regulation for establishing a vehicle’s “brand” (HTA Reg 376/02) vehicles older than 1981 are not supposed to be branded at all, regardless of their history. However, the same regulation says that imported branded vehicles will get the Ontario equivalent of the brand from the jurisdiction where they were titled or registered, regardless of the age of the vehicle. As well, the Reg says that any imported vehicle whose title “describes the vehicle as having been immersed in water to any degree or having been damaged in a fire” will get an Ontario “irreparable” brand regardless of any other factor including age, degree of damage, etc., thus it’s for parts only.

If you’re really determined to import a branded pre-81 vehicle there MIGHT be a solution. The “brand” on an Ontario permit can be appealed through MTO’s Mandatory Branding Unit in St. Catharines but there are some limitations to what they will do. A friend of mine has dealt with that office several times on this issue and has had mixed results. Apparently, an “irreparable” brand can be changed to “salvage” but that’s about it – changing either of those brands, or a “rebuilt” brand to “none” is highly unlikely. First you would let MTO issue a “branded” permit (aka: “ownership”) in your name. As the new permit holder you could then appeal the brand (within 90 days), using the age of the vehicle and possibly, the damage (or lack thereof) as the basis for your request to have the brand changed to “salvage”. The vehicle would then have to go through a Structural Inspection, get a new permit branded as “rebuilt”, then an inspection for a Safety Standards Certificate and plates and you’re off! I know this isn’t an easy path to take and all this legal stuff is confusing and frustrating, but if you’re determined enough you might come out ahead. No guarantees of course – sorry!

oldkoot · BROCKVILLE, ONT

So what happens if the car goes into Quebec first, lets say a dealer picks up a load of "flooded cars" for the US , transfers them into the dealer's used car inventory, then sold to another dealer in Ontario.

TIME TRAVELLER · NIAGARA REGION, ONT

Quebec has similar requirements for the registration of imported branded vehicles, as do the other provinces and most states. In the case of flooded vehicles that have been branded as “irreparable” (or equivalent) in their home jurisdiction (eg: flood vehicles from Hurricane Sandy) they will match that designation on the new Quebec registration - in this case they would call it “unrebuildable”. Flood vehicles are usually written off by their insurers as a total loss but it’s possible that some could slip through without a brand, and I suppose an unscrupulous dealer could take advantage of this - not legally of course - and resell them to unsuspecting buyers, dealers or otherwise.

This “laundering” of branded titles was one of the problems that Ontario was trying to solve when their Branding program was developed. Prior to this Ontario had no such program and branded vehicles from across Canada and the USA were being registered here to get "clean" paperwork. MTO closed this loophole with the branding program but its effectiveness still relies on insurers (and private owners too in Ontario) to follow the rules and notify MTO when a vehicle’s damage exceeds a certain threshold. If they don’t do this, their damaged vehicle may well end up back on the road in the hands of an innocent motorist. It’s still “buyer beware”.

henrys57wagon · WOODLAWN, ONT

It appears to be a case of one shoe fits all. As most of us rebuild our toys from the ground up all the issues of flood, ie wiring, upholstery etc would be taken care of, just a thought.

dualquadpete · BLACKSTOCK, ONT

henrys57wagon wrote:
It appears to be a case of one shoe fits all. As most of us rebuild our toys from the ground up all the issues of flood, ie wiring, upholstery etc would be taken care of, just a thought.

Gov. doesn't care how well it's been rebuilt, "It Ain't Going back On the Road" I see quite a few car haulers heading back to Que. from the Auction of Wrecks up in Aurora, loaded with them. they must still have a way of getting around the ownership branding???

427CARL · CLINTON, ONT

if the car is 15 years or older its not subject to branding!

I have, close to me, a 69Z28 and 70Z28 with clean titles... The cars were badly damaged cars from States The salvage title goes clean thats how it is....

Non-regulated vehicles, such as those older than 15 years, buses manufactured before January 1, 1971 and other types of non-regulated designs

do not have to enter the Salvage Vehicle Program since they are exempt for having to comply with the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (MVSA) and its regulations.

-- Edited by 427CARL on Thursday 31st of January 2013 03:51:16 PM

427CARL · CLINTON, ONT

as usual smile this is not a answer to initial question...

but Remember ...any car or truck older tham 15 years, is not subect to branding rules

SO if you bring a salvage title from U.S. (other then Michigan)

the vehicle will be "automatically clean title" as soon as you pay tax and change into your name wink wink

TIME TRAVELLER · NIAGARA REGION, ONT

427Carl, where are you getting that information? That's not the way it's supposed to work in Ontario. Vehicles older than 1981 are exempt if they're originally branded in Ontario (no rolling 15 year exemption) but vehicles from other jurisdictions will get an equivalent brand to the one from the province or state they came from, regardless of age. Your method would result in a title or registration being laundered back to a “clean” status thus disguising the vehicle’s history, which is exactly the problem that Ontario’s branding program was designed to prevent.

427CARL · CLINTON, ONT

spinner43 · NEW DUNDEE, ONT

If you are looking to bring in salvage vehicles off copart here is the auction site to go through, www.easyexport.us My brother in law told me about it. He has a '69 Camaro on its way from Florida. It is a theft recovery so there will be no questions on salvage but there are lots on there will flood damage. If it isn't too painful getting around the salvage title then why not a flood victim.

427CARL · CLINTON, ONT

I still think that the 15 year and older exclusion.... means they don't care what condiditon, or how it happened

I brought over 2 last year at Port Huron... They looked at the build date on the door, and let us go pay tax....

They did not look in the car or in the trunk.........

Same thing with my buddies 1949 truck last week............

The salvage and flooding IS a issue with a vehicle subject to the branding program Old cars are not.........

Beachcat · WASAGA BEACH, ONT

427CARL wrote:

The salvage and flooding IS a issue with a vehicle subject to the branding program Old cars are not.........

What about a car that is branded as salvage and then becomes over 15 years old after the branding? Can the branding be lifted?

TIME TRAVELLER · NIAGARA REGION, ONT

"Non-regulated vehicles, such as those older than 15 years, buses manufactured before January 1, 1971 and other types of non-regulated designs
do not have to enter the Salvage Vehicle Program since they are exempt for having to comply with the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (MVSA) and its regulations."

That quote is from the Federal government’s rules that are delivered by the Registrar of Motor Vehicles (RIV), not from the province of Ontario or any other province. According the websites of both the Canada Border Services Agency and RIV, the 15 year rule simply means an older vehicle can be imported without having to be registered with RIV and go through all the hoops and hurdles they require for newer vehicles, or in the case of branded vehicles, be registered in their "Salvage Program". The rule does not affect the brand that was applied to the title by any individual USA state, since RIV does not change the brand, ie: a “salvage” brand does not change to a “clean” title on 16 year old or older vehicles being imported from the USA – they’re just not required to be registered in their program. The brand stays on the title and whatever province the vehicle ends up in has to deal with it when it’s registered there. In Ontario’s case, the cutoff date is pre-1981 if it was branded here, but as I stated earlier, imported vehicles are treated differently.

When was that Camaro imported? If it was before Ontario’s mandatory branding program came into effect (2002) then the “clean” registration makes sense, but if it was afterwards, the car should have had to go through a structural inspection (which you say it did – this is only required for “salvage” branded vehicles) and be re-branded as “rebuilt”. If in fact the registration shows a brand of “none” the seller better hope the new owner never finds out about the past history of the car! That would be a classic case of laundering a vehicle’s documents and that’s fraud any way you cut it.

slim · DUNDAS, ONT

From the goverment web site

Salvage vehicles are vehicles that have been damaged beyond economical repair due to collision, natural disaster or any other event requiring costly repair as determined by a licensing authority or licensed insurance provider.

The Salvage Vehicle Program allows for the importation of regulated vehicles branded salvage when:

•the damage was not flood-related; and
•the vehicle is a CMVSS or FMVSS compliant vehicle less than 15 years old; or
•the vehicle is a CMVSS or FMVSS compliant bus manufactured on or after Jan 1st, 1971.
Non-regulated vehicles, such as those older than 15 years, buses manufactured before January 1, 1971 and other types of non-regulated designs do not have to enter the Salvage Vehicle Program since they are exempt for having to comply with the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (MVSA) and its regulations.

A “salvage” status on a vehicle's title may severely limit your ability to have the vehicle licensed and insured in Canada. Contact your local licensing authority to learn more.

Notes:

1.Some manufacturers may not issue recall clearance documents for vehicles that were once declared salvaged denied.
2.You cannot import the vehicle into Canada without a recall clearance.

-- Edited by slim on Tuesday 5th of February 2013 08:50:45 AM

parklane · St THOMAS, ONT

Just to let you know, that if you buy a vehicle that is branded salvage, pictures must be taken of that vehicle on a rack before any repairs are done. I buy quite a few branded trucks, and work with a body shop in town. They put it on the rack, attatch all the brackets, hooks, chain etc. needed to pull, and take all the required pics and pull whatever is required, and then I take it to my shop, replace panels, fenders etc paint it, and return it to the body shop. They then take pics of the finished product. I can then get the safety cert, along with the structural cert and get plates. As has been mentioned, the vehicle is then branded rebuilt.

1969 Chevrolet Camaro Coupe

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