Ontario yellow safety sticker laws

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

Ontario yellow safety sticker laws

Seeker1056 · DOURO, ONT

mmm me thinks you have the numbers wrong - with a G licence - you are entitled to 11000kg or about 22000 lbs between truck n trailer, and trailer with load cant exceed 4800kg or 11000 lbs

I haul my 8200 lb pull truck all over Ontario with legit stickers and licence as I am exactly 58 lbs under those limits

You drivers licence has those figures right on the back of it

case of beer and a couple hamburgs tho - and I am in trouble for weight lolololol

-- Edited by Seeker1056 on Sunday 3rd of February 2013 07:12:13 PM

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

hemi43 wrote:
fatstax wrote:
hemi43 wrote:
fatstax wrote:
the mto told me as follows
as long as your truck and trailer are yearly inspected and stickered, and your gvw is at the max of 4500 kg, the trailer can weigh up to 2600 kg loaded and your truck can weigh up to 4500 kg loaded. so as long as the weight on your truck including connected trailer doesnt exceed 4500 and the trailer weight while hitched to your truck doesnt exceed 2600 kg you are legal. so before certain people start howling that im wrong, i spoke directley to the minister of transports office, they explained it as clear as day to me. these are the requirements before you have to get a cvor.

-- Edited by fatstax on Sunday 3rd of February 2013 07:04:53 PM
True !! But the only time you will need a CVOR is if the vehicle is used for business.
For example; If I own a dually pickup that has a RGVW of 4500+ KG, I will need the yellow sticker even if it's for personal use. If I tow my personal boat, the boat trailer will have to have a yellow sticker also, but because it's for personal use I do not need a CVOR even though I'm over the weight limit.

thats true, rec vehicles are excempt from the cvor but hes towing a truck and trailer, not a rec vehicle in thier view. the mto considers anything beyond a boat trailer or camper to be commercial, horse trailers are not even excempt as a friend of mine found out the hard way
If someone owns a horse for a pet, and hauls him in a horse trailer, he does not need a CVOR. If this same person, with the same truck and same trailer hauls horses as a business, he will need a CVOR.
RVs are exempt from everything !!

your still wrong, horse activities are considered a business, my friend got nailed and he had the same response and beliefs, now he has to run a cvor and keep a log book even. but if its like a poney and is under the weight limit then yes its excempt of course

-- Edited by fatstax on Sunday 3rd of February 2013 07:49:19 PM

hemi43 · ONTARIO

All the info is here;

APPLICATION

An annual safety inspection is required;

On a single truck, if its actual weight, registered gross weight or gross vehicle weight rating exceeds 4,500 kilograms (9,920 lbs), or
On both the truck and the towed trailer, if the combination's weight exceeds 4,500 kilograms.

The combination's weight is determined by adding the greater of the truck's actual weight, registered gross weight or gross vehicle weight rating to the greater of the trailer's actual weight or gross vehicle weight rating. An explanation of these terms follows.

"Truck" includes motor vehicles such as pickup trucks, and mini vans and two and four wheel drive sport utility vehicles being used to transport cargo with the vehicle's seats removed, regardless of how the vehicle is plated, e.g. car or truck, including farm truck plates.

"Trailer" includes, but is not limited to, boat, snowmobile, livestock, and general purpose utility trailers.

WEIGHT TERMS:

Actual weight of a truck
Means the physical weight of the truck, when loaded or empty. This includes any weight transmitted to the truck by an attached trailer. The empty weight of a truck may be found on the vehicle portion of the truck's permit (ownership) beside the VEH WT heading and is in kilograms. Note: VEH WT may have been determined prior to the installation of the truck's cargo body, equipment, fuel, etc.
Registered gross weight for a truck
The amount of registered gross weight (RGW) determines the fee paid for the truck's licence plates. RGW is based on, and must be at least equal to the actual weight of the truck and its heaviest load. Generally the weight of a towed trailer and its heaviest load are added to the RGW of the truck. Load includes the driver, passengers, fuel, equipment, tools, etc. A trailer does not have a RGW.

The amount of RGW is located on the right portion (plate portion) of a truck's ownership, to the right of "REG. GROSS WT" and is in kilograms. One kilogram equals 2.204 pounds and one pound equals 0.4536 kilograms.

The weight transmitted to the road by the axle(s) of an attached trailer does not have to be added to the RGW of the truck if the transmitted weight is 2,800 kilograms (6,172 lbs) or less.
Gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) or vehicle weight rating (VWR) of a truck
The vehicle weight rating is the amount stated by the truck manufacturer to be the loaded weight of the single truck. The GVWR or VWR is usually located on the driver's door, driver's door post or in the glove compartment.
Actual weight of a trailer
The amount of weight, loaded or empty that is transmitted to the road by the trailer's axle or axles when the trailer is attached to the truck. Some trailer ownerships may indicate the trailer's empty weight.
Gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) or vehicle weight rating (VWR) for a trailer
The vehicle weight rating is the amount stated by the trailer manufacturer to be the loaded weight of the single trailer. The GVWR or VWR is usually located on the trailer's tongue, frame or body. Some small trailers may not have a gross vehicle weight rating or a vehicle weight rating. In this case the rating would not apply.

Some older trailers may have a plate that states provides the "MAXIMUM CAPACITY" and "EMPTY WEIGHT". In this case, both figures are added together to obtain the vehicle weight rating.

VEHICLES AND TRAILERS THAT DO NOT REQUIRE ANNUAL INSPECTIONS:

Motor homes. A truck while carrying a slide-in camper is a motor home.
Camper trailers and house trailers. A livestock trailer with living accommodations is not a house trailer.
Mobile homes or office trailers wider than 2.6 m (8.6") or longer than 11 m (36 ft).
Trucks that weigh 4,500 kilograms or less while towing camper trailers, house trailers, devices or implements of husbandry such as farm wagons. NOTE: The trailer's tongue weight and the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of an attached house or camper trailer is not added to the weight of the truck when determining the truck's weight.
Trailers that weigh 4,500 kilograms or less while towed by a motor home.

-- Edited by hemi43 on Sunday 3rd of February 2013 09:02:26 PM

hemi43 · ONTARIO

fatstax wrote:
hemi43 wrote:
fatstax wrote:
boats and campers are exempt as you stated earlier, there is some limits on weight but your not going to tow an oceanliner with a ford ranger.
Not boats, only RVs are exempt !! Please post info that states boats are exempt.

a boat is an rv

No it's not !! Please look at my post above !! An RV is a motorhome, a travel trailer or a slide-in camper, that's it !!

Please post proof that confirms what you are stating !!

-- Edited by hemi43 on Sunday 3rd of February 2013 09:06:49 PM

hemi43 · ONTARIO

I figured I would start a thread here on this subject so we don't use the classified section for discussion.

Here is the law pertaining to having to get a vehicle safety when towing trailers.

Please do not get the CVOR section at the bottom of the link confused with the safety certificate (SSC).

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/pubs/recreational-vehicles/part8.shtml

workin class · FINCH, ONT

YEAP we dont do vehicle safety checks but most trucks hauling decent size trailers 5 TH WHEELS or tow behinds are large enough to be considered as commercial.

Ratmotor · PARRY SOUND, ONT

My own personal 97 Dodge 2500 is yellowed stickered but is not a commercial vehicle. I did it because I frequently tow my car trailer with a vintage car on it. I buy old cars and part them out as a hobby. With the yellow sticker on my truck and trailer I am fully within the law up to a certain weight "just under 10,000 LBS". I had the advice of 2 MTO guys to be sure I was legal in all aspects as the cops up here think they know more than the MTO. A plus is that I do my own safeties and its good to make sure my truck and trailer are safe to haul with.

hemi43 · ONTARIO

Throwing the CVOR in there makes things too complicated, that's why I asked that it be ignored for now.
The reason I made this thread was to inform Will that he will have to get his truck and trailer certified every year ! No exception !!
I would love to get an enclosed trailer, but I don't want the hassle of having my truck and trailers certified every year. It's a hassle enough getting emision tests every two years.

hemi43 · ONTARIO

fatstax wrote:
the mto told me as follows
as long as your truck and trailer are yearly inspected and stickered, and your gvw is at the max of 4500 kg, the trailer can weigh up to 2600 kg loaded and your truck can weigh up to 4500 kg loaded. so as long as the weight on your truck including connected trailer doesnt exceed 4500 and the trailer weight while hitched to your truck doesnt exceed 2600 kg you are legal. so before certain people start howling that im wrong, i spoke directley to the minister of transports office, they explained it as clear as day to me. these are the requirements before you have to get a cvor.

-- Edited by fatstax on Sunday 3rd of February 2013 07:04:53 PM

True !! But the only time you will need a CVOR is if the vehicle is used for business.

For example; If I own a dually pickup that has a RGVW of 4500+ KG, I will need the yellow sticker even if it's for personal use. If I tow my personal boat, the boat trailer will have to have a yellow sticker also, but because it's for personal use I do not need a CVOR even though I'm over the weight limit.

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

if you are hauling that much weight without a cvor you will get nailed at some point, only a matter of time

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

hemi43 wrote:
fatstax wrote:
the mto told me as follows
as long as your truck and trailer are yearly inspected and stickered, and your gvw is at the max of 4500 kg, the trailer can weigh up to 2600 kg loaded and your truck can weigh up to 4500 kg loaded. so as long as the weight on your truck including connected trailer doesnt exceed 4500 and the trailer weight while hitched to your truck doesnt exceed 2600 kg you are legal. so before certain people start howling that im wrong, i spoke directley to the minister of transports office, they explained it as clear as day to me. these are the requirements before you have to get a cvor.

-- Edited by fatstax on Sunday 3rd of February 2013 07:04:53 PM
True !! But the only time you will need a CVOR is if the vehicle is used for business.
For example; If I own a dually pickup that has a RGVW of 4500+ KG, I will need the yellow sticker even if it's for personal use. If I tow my personal boat, the boat trailer will have to have a yellow sticker also, but because it's for personal use I do not need a CVOR even though I'm over the weight limit.

thats true, rec vehicles are excempt from the cvor but hes towing a truck and trailer, not a rec vehicle in thier view. the mto considers anything beyond a boat trailer or camper to be commercial, horse trailers are not even excempt as a friend of mine found out the hard way

hemi43 · ONTARIO

Seeker1056 wrote:
mmm me thinks you have the numbers wrong - with a G licence - you are entitled to 11000kg or about 22000 lbs between truck n trailer, and trailer with load cant exceed 4800kg or 11000 lbs

I haul my 8200 lb pull truck all over Ontario with legit stickers and licence as I am exactly 58 lbs under those limits

You drivers licence has those figures right on the back of it

case of beer and a couple hamburgs tho - and I am in trouble for weight lolololol

-- Edited by Seeker1056 on Sunday 3rd of February 2013 07:12:13 PM

58 lbs under which limit?? I assume the 11000 trailer limit !! So your truck and trailer both have stickers, but because these are a hobby and not a business, you do not need a CVOR.

hemi43 · ONTARIO

fatstax wrote:
hemi43 wrote:
fatstax wrote:
the mto told me as follows
as long as your truck and trailer are yearly inspected and stickered, and your gvw is at the max of 4500 kg, the trailer can weigh up to 2600 kg loaded and your truck can weigh up to 4500 kg loaded. so as long as the weight on your truck including connected trailer doesnt exceed 4500 and the trailer weight while hitched to your truck doesnt exceed 2600 kg you are legal. so before certain people start howling that im wrong, i spoke directley to the minister of transports office, they explained it as clear as day to me. these are the requirements before you have to get a cvor.

-- Edited by fatstax on Sunday 3rd of February 2013 07:04:53 PM
True !! But the only time you will need a CVOR is if the vehicle is used for business.
For example; If I own a dually pickup that has a RGVW of 4500+ KG, I will need the yellow sticker even if it's for personal use. If I tow my personal boat, the boat trailer will have to have a yellow sticker also, but because it's for personal use I do not need a CVOR even though I'm over the weight limit.

thats true, rec vehicles are excempt from the cvor but hes towing a truck and trailer, not a rec vehicle in thier view. the mto considers anything beyond a boat trailer or camper to be commercial, horse trailers are not even excempt as a friend of mine found out the hard way

If someone owns a horse for a pet, and hauls him in a horse trailer, he does not need a CVOR. If this same person, with the same truck and same trailer hauls horses as a business, he will need a CVOR.

RVs are exempt from everything !!

TIME TRAVELLER · NIAGARA REGION, ONT

The important thing to remember with this law is that the term “commercial vehicle” has NOTHING to do with whether it’s used for “commercial” purposes or not, or it's size or weight – privately owned or not, even the smallest pickup is considered a commercial vehicle by definition regardless of it’s use. A privately owned pickup used for nothing more than towing the boat to the cottage or a load of garbage to the dump is a commercial vehicle under the Highway Traffic Act (HTA) and its Regulations.

The combined “gross vehicle weight rating” (GVWR) of 4,500 kg is the part that catches most people off guard. For example, let’s say you have an empty pickup with a GVWR of 3,000 kg (approximate GVWR for a typical base model pickup) towing an empty tandem axle boat trailer with a GVWR of 2,000kg (but an empty weight of only 500kg, easily pulled by even the smallest pickup). The combined GVWR of this combination would be 5,000 kg and thus both the truck and the trailer would require yellow stickers even though you’re just towing the empty trailer back from the marina as a favour to your fishing buddy who owns the boat that he just launched.

Another thing - if you are considering buying a truck with a GVWR under 4.500kg and you think it might ever be captured by this law like in the example above, you should insist that the dealer have the inspection for the Safety Standards Certificate done to the more stringent National Safety Code standard that is used for bigger trucks – this is allowed under Regulation 611 in the HTA. In this situation, the inspection station must – by law – also affix the yellow sticker.

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

thats wrong, he needs a cvor no matter if the truck/trailer is for rec use, in the mto's view that recreational trailer could be used to haul for profit commercially, as well every truck is considered a commercial vehicle no matter what the use. like i said i emailed the minister of transport after the last flame war over this, one of his subordinates phoned me and i barraged him with these very questions, i asked it in every way i could think of and i got the answers from them. they dont care what you are hauling, they care about what you are hauling it on and with.

hemi43 · ONTARIO

From the MTO. I've highlighted a few items

Vehicles that require a CVOR
A CVOR certificate is required for commercial vehicles that are:

•Plated in Ontario,
•Plated in the USA, or
•Plated in Mexico.
Vehicles that are plated in other Canadian provinces or territories (not Ontario) do not need a CVOR certificate. They require a safety fitness certificate from the province or territory in which the vehicle is plated.

Note: For-hire operators of buses, including motor coaches and school/school purpose vehicles, may also require an operating authority under the Public Vehicles Act and Motor Vehicle Transport Act. Contact the Ontario Highway Transport Board at (416) 326-6732 for more information.

Exemptions
Carriers that operate certain types of vehicles do not need a CVOR certificate. These vehicles include:

•A truck or bus that is plated in another Canadian jurisdiction
•A truck with a registered gross weight (RGW) and a gross weight of 4,500 kg or less, whether towing a trailer or not - see Determining RGW
•A truck or bus leased by an individual for 30 days or less to move their personal goods, or to carry passengers at no fare
•An ambulance, fire apparatus, hearse, casket wagon, mobile crane or tow truck
•A truck or bus operating under the authority of a dealer plate or an in-transit permit
•A bus used for personal purposes without compensation
•A motor home used for personal purposes
•A pickup truck used for personal purposes

TIME TRAVELLER · NIAGARA REGION, ONT

Are we talking about the annual inspection stickers or CVOR's???? People, the original topic was the yellow sticker - let's leave horses out of this unless they're under the hood and CVOR's for another time!

hemi43 · ONTARIO

TIME TRAVELLER wrote:
Are we talking about the annual inspection stickers or CVOR's???? People, the original topic was the yellow sticker - let's leave horses out of this unless they're under the hood and CVOR's for another time!

I know, that's why in my original post I mentioned to keep CVORs out because it confuses things, but I had to answer when Fatstax brought it up.

The original post was about yellow safety stickers only !!

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

hemi43 wrote:
From the MTO. I've highlighted a few items
Vehicles that require a CVOR
A CVOR certificate is required for commercial vehicles that are:

•Plated in Ontario,
•Plated in the USA, or
•Plated in Mexico.
Vehicles that are plated in other Canadian provinces or territories (not Ontario) do not need a CVOR certificate. They require a safety fitness certificate from the province or territory in which the vehicle is plated.

Note: For-hire operators of buses, including motor coaches and school/school purpose vehicles, may also require an operating authority under the Public Vehicles Act and Motor Vehicle Transport Act. Contact the Ontario Highway Transport Board at (416) 326-6732 for more information.

Exemptions
Carriers that operate certain types of vehicles do not need a CVOR certificate. These vehicles include:

•A truck or bus that is plated in another Canadian jurisdiction
•A truck with a registered gross weight (RGW) and a gross weight of 4,500 kg or less, whether towing a trailer or not - see Determining RGW
•A truck or bus leased by an individual for 30 days or less to move their personal goods, or to carry passengers at no fare
•An ambulance, fire apparatus, hearse, casket wagon, mobile crane or tow truck
•A truck or bus operating under the authority of a dealer plate or an in-transit permit
•A bus used for personal purposes without compensation
•A motor home used for personal purposes
•A pickup truck used for personal purposes

yes thats tottaly correct, but hitch a trailer over a certain weight to that personal truck and then you are over weight.

•A truck with a registered gross weight (RGW) and a gross weight of 4,500 kg or less, whether towing a trailer or not - see Determining RGW

you are answering you own question

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

hemi43 wrote:
TIME TRAVELLER wrote:
Are we talking about the annual inspection stickers or CVOR's???? People, the original topic was the yellow sticker - let's leave horses out of this unless they're under the hood and CVOR's for another time!
I know, that's why in my original post I mentioned to keep CVORs out because it confuses things, but I had to answer when Fatstax brought it up.
The original post was about yellow safety stickers only !!

im not confused at all i know the rules concerning yellow stickers and the cvor, the cvor kinda goes with the yellow stickers in most cases. email the minister of transport and have them answer your questions like i did. i only brought up the cvor issue cause seeker is grossly over weight while hauling his truck even though he has both stickered

hemi43 · ONTARIO

So you're telling me that if I tow my race car to Cayuga to do a bit of bracket racing, and the total weight of truck, trailer and race car is let say around 15000 lbs, I would need a CVOR ? I disagree !!

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

no at 15000 pounds you are under the weight, 4500 kg is 9920 pounds, 2600 kg is 5720 pounds, you would be under the limit of 15640 pounds, as long as your truck and trailer are stickered and your truck gvw is at 4500 kg and as long as the trailer does not exert enough weight on the tongue to make your truck weight over the 4500 kg

oldkoot · BROCKVILLE, ONT

So my Suburban 3/4 ton with passenger car plates is legal without a yellow sticker.

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

how they nail people is most dont bother raising thier truck gvw to reflect the hauling they do.

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

oldkoot wrote:
So my Suburban 3/4 ton with passenger car plates is legal without a yellow sticker.

that depends, a suburban is a passenger vehicle, if you were to haul a trailer they might hassle you. most actions on the mto's part tend to be at the officers discretion

hemi43 · ONTARIO

fatstax wrote:
no at 15000 pounds you are under the weight, 4500 kg is 9920 pounds, 2600 kg is 5720 pounds, you would be under the limit of 15640 pounds, as long as your truck and trailer are stickered and your truck gvw is at 4500 kg and as long as the trailer does not exert enough weight on the tongue to make your truck weight over the 4500 kg

OK, let me give you another scenario; I own a boat that I take to the cottage in the spring, and drag it back in the fall. Combined weight is let say 20000 lbs. You're saying that I would need a CVOR ?? I still don't think you do because it's a personal truck with a personal boat. Hey, I might be wrong, but this is great information for all reading.

I will stop in at the MTO this week and ask them the above scenario to see what their answer is. smile

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

boats and campers are exempt as you stated earlier, there is some limits on weight but your not going to tow an oceanliner with a ford ranger.

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

remember also the g license is good for up to 11000kg, so over that you would need a higher license weather its a boat or camper

hemi43 · ONTARIO

fatstax wrote:
boats and campers are exempt as you stated earlier, there is some limits on weight but your not going to tow an oceanliner with a ford ranger.

Not boats, only RVs are exempt !! Please post info that states boats are exempt.

TIME TRAVELLER · NIAGARA REGION, ONT

"the g license is good for up to 11000kg, so over that you would need a higher license weather its a boat or camper"

...but if the trailer weighs over 4,600kg (10,141 lbs) you need an "A" licence regardless of what's towing it, unless it’s a pickup/house trailer combination and both meet certain conditions in HTA Reg. 340. (Sorry, I forgot my own comments about what this thread is about – back to you).

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

hemi43 wrote:
fatstax wrote:
boats and campers are exempt as you stated earlier, there is some limits on weight but your not going to tow an oceanliner with a ford ranger.
Not boats, only RVs are exempt !! Please post info that states boats are exempt.

a boat is an rv

hemi43 · ONTARIO

TIME TRAVELLER wrote:
"the g license is good for up to 11000kg, so over that you would need a higher license weather its a boat or camper"

...but if the trailer weighs over 4,600kg (10,141 lbs) you need an "A" licence regardless of what's towing it, unless it’s a pickup/house trailer combination and both meet certain conditions in HTA Reg. 340. (Sorry, I forgot my own comments about what this thread is about – back to you).

OK, Thanks !! That makes sense. Kinda scary when you think about it though if anyone can jump behind the wheel and tow any size/weight travel trailer (RV) Good Info, because I didn't know the limits of a "G" license.

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

hemi43 wrote:
fatstax wrote:
hemi43 wrote:
fatstax wrote:
boats and campers are exempt as you stated earlier, there is some limits on weight but your not going to tow an oceanliner with a ford ranger.
Not boats, only RVs are exempt !! Please post info that states boats are exempt.

a boat is an rv
No it's not !! Please look at my post above !! An RV is a motorhome, a travel trailer or a slide-in camper, that's it !!
Please post proof that confirms what you are stating !!

-- Edited by hemi43 on Sunday 3rd of February 2013 09:06:49 PM

the boats a recreational craft, the trailer is not, its a trailer like any other. any questions?

hemi43 · ONTARIO

Well, think what you want !! I just posted the proof above that if you tow a boat, and you are above the 4500kg combined weight, you will need the yellow sticker. Until you can prove to me otherwise, I stand my ground.

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

hemi43 wrote:
Well, think what you want !! I just posted the proof above that if you tow a boat, and you are above the 4500kg combined weight, you will need the yellow sticker. Until you can prove to me otherwise, I stand my ground.

i think you missed it.

Adslow65 · LINDSAY, ONT

Hey guys, this might be a good time for me to ask some questions... as I'm a bit confused by the yellow sticker, and CVOR. Bare with me... I'm starting a business (using a half ton Dodge pickup as my "commercial" vehicle and a 6x10 utility trailer) Because I will be using the truck/trailer for business purposes, this means I need a CVOR correct?? And I will also need the yellow sticker as well? I'm thinking with a half ton and a loaded trailer I'd be under the weight requirements? BUT?.... Thanks for any clarification on this...

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

yes you are right, a trailer is a trailer, except for campers and such. without a boat on the trailer its just another trailer.

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

Adslow65 wrote:
Hey guys, this might be a good time for me to ask some questions... as I'm a bit confused by the yellow sticker, and CVOR. Bare with me... I'm starting a business (using a half ton Dodge pickup as my "commercial" vehicle and a 6x10 utility trailer) Because I will be using the truck/trailer for business purposes, this means I need a CVOR correct?? And I will also need the yellow sticker as well? I'm thinking with a half ton and a loaded trailer I'd be under the weight requirements? BUT?.... Thanks for any clarification on this...

as long as you meet the requirements and are under the 15640 pound mark combined you dont need a cvor. and if you are over the 4500 kg combined

hemi43 · ONTARIO

fatstax wrote:
hemi43 wrote:
Well, think what you want !! I just posted the proof above that if you tow a boat, and you are above the 4500kg combined weight, you will need the yellow sticker. Until you can prove to me otherwise, I stand my ground.
i think you missed it.

Please explain what I missed !! If you're telling me that putting a boat on a trailer will magically turn it into an RV, you're wrong !!

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

i had thought they lumped boats in with campers and stuff, but a trailer is a trailer i guess. crafty devils the mto

hemi43 · ONTARIO

Adslow65 wrote:
Hey guys, this might be a good time for me to ask some questions... as I'm a bit confused by the yellow sticker, and CVOR. Bare with me... I'm starting a business (using a half ton Dodge pickup as my "commercial" vehicle and a 6x10 utility trailer) Because I will be using the truck/trailer for business purposes, this means I need a CVOR correct?? And I will also need the yellow sticker as well? I'm thinking with a half ton and a loaded trailer I'd be under the weight requirements? BUT?.... Thanks for any clarification on this...

Hey adslow;

Your pickup will have RGVW rating on the driver's door. This is not the actual weight, but what it can weigh fully loaded.

Your trailer (unless it's homebuilt ) will also have a RGVW. Usually around 1600 kg for a single axle, and 3200kg for a tandem.

You add these 2 numbers together, and if they add up to more than 4500KG, then you will need a yellow sticker on both the truck and the trailer.

Hopefully someone will explain the CVOR, because I have not done any in depth research on it. IMO, I don't believe you will need a CVOR until you reach 6000kg if it's for personal use. As soon as you are running a business, I believe you will need a CVOR if you are above 4500KG.

Again, this is my interpretation of the CVOR. Here's a link you should read and make your own assumption.

http://66.49.173.199/Drive%20Ontario/Truck%20and%20Trailer%20Regulations.pdf

hemi43 · ONTARIO

fatstax wrote:
i had thought they lumped boats in with campers and stuff, but a trailer is a trailer i guess. crafty devils the mto

Thank-you !!

jarvis1 · COBBLE HILL, BC

Out here on the Island, we do not need smog tests. The only time I needed a safety test was when I brought a car in to BC. RV's over 11,000 lbs do not need a safety inspection, even if they are imported.
I'm not against safety inspections, especially on larger trucks that have been known to lose their dual wheels and kill people.
I don't have any information on truck and trailer capacities and stickers for such.
I did own a 10,000 lb capacity car trailer and could tow it with anything. No sticker required.

Candy-Man · KINGSTON, ONT

Maybe this will make it a little less difficult to understand:

If you hook up to a 1/2 tonne P/U truck with an empty car trailer (or laoded with your hot rod) both your truck and trailer will require a yearly safety inspection (yellow sticker on bother) and make sure you increased the weight limit on your 1/2 tonne P/U truck ownership.

When you purchased your 1/2 tonne P/U truck, the RGW on the "vehicle portion" of the ownership was probably 3,000 Kgs. Therefore; as soon as you hooked up to the empty car hauler, you were OVER WEIGHT. It is the combined weight which the truck and trailer may haul, not what the actual weight you are hauling. When you add the two RGVW weights together, you will find yourself increasing the RGVW weight on the "vehicle" portion of the truck ownership.

A 3/4 or 1 tonne truck actually requires a yellow sticker (yearly safety inspection) even if you are not hauling, due to the RVGW on the vehicle portion of the ownership ! Just a thought.....

Now for RV's and P/U trucks, there is a new "Restricted 'A' License" as some of these RV's & P/U trucks are hauling large trailers over 4,500 Kgs. (doesn't matter what the trailer is used for; horses, boats, camper) with NO airbrakes...... RV's are NOT exempt from everything !

Candy-Man · KINGSTON, ONT

oldkoot wrote:
So my Suburban 3/4 ton with passenger car plates is legal without a yellow sticker.

Depends, what the RGVW is on the "Vehicle Portion" on your ownership....

Seeker1056 · DOURO, ONT

mmm - several things are missing here, and maybe missintrepreted.

Fact is - you can put a "NOT FOR HIRE" sticker on both your trailer and your truck and you no longer need a CVOR for any reason.
Keeping a log book however is a very good idea in case you ever were involved in an accident - that way you can show you did a circle check of the truck and trailer at every time out, and stop.
Any truck 1 ton or greater needs a yellow sticker if you put a trailer on it for any reason
A 3/4 ton truck at max loads with a trailer on, needs a yellow sticker.
A 1/2 ton truck does not need a sticker, even with a trailer.
Most personal use trailers do NOT need a sticker.

I have put an average of some 8000km a year for the last 20 years on Ontario roads witn zero hassles from the MTO

WHY?

because my trailer is painted nice, looks good, has decent tires on it - has a not for hire sticker on it which is a flag to MTO that you know what your doing.
because the truck I use to haul said trailer is painted nice, has good tires on it, has no rust showing anywhere, and has not for hire on it, as well as looking like it belongs on the road.

The only people gettin hassled by MTO, are those with the little overloaded trailers with busted off wheels sittin on the side of the road, , the rust buckets, the home made sh-t that looks like its about to fall apart.

Oh and my favorites - the boaters with a 10 ton boat on a triaxle trailer bein hauled by an S10 or similar truck - even a one ton is too small for that job.

:)

-- Edited by Seeker1056 on Monday 4th of February 2013 11:18:08 AM

dualquadpete · BLACKSTOCK, ONT

Just remember, once you put that yellow sticker on your truck, "EVERY" trailer you haul, snowmobile, utility,boat etc. all will have to have the sticker too & be inspected yrly. along with the truck!! I've got my "BURB" with "blue & white" car plates & "AM not" stickering it for car trailer untill I get stopped as it's NOT A COMMERCIAL VEHICLE" ie. Truck!!!!

will · WALKERTON, ONT

WOW I just wanted to buy a larger trailer and still do. This is all good information, confusing, but good. I am not against getting the yellow sticker for my truck and trailer if they are required. Is anybody?

hemi43 · ONTARIO

Will; Yes, you will need a yellow sticker.
I'm kind of shocked that the GVWR on your truck is that low (6250 lbs)!! That number is basically the heaviest that your truck can legally weigh fully loaded.
If I were you, I would take the truck on some scales to get it's actual weight. My wild guess would put that truck around 5700lbs, which leaves only 550lbs that you can legally put in that truck including passengers. 2 fat guys and a case of beer, and your truck is at its limit. Do you see how crazy some of these laws are when you really start digging into things !!

edit;

Make sure you posted the GVWR of your truck, and not it's actual weight (GAWR)

I just checked my truck ( Silverado extended cab 2wd ) and my GVWR is 3100 KG (6820lbs). I weighed my truck last year and its actual weight is 2570 KG (5650 LBS). This means that I can legally put 1170 lbs in my truck. Your truck just seems low at 550 lbs.

-- Edited by hemi43 on Monday 4th of February 2013 05:16:38 PM