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FONTHILL, ONT

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Here is the start of my project.  We just bought this car on Thursday of this past week, so it is definitely in it's EARLY phase. 

 

My son and I are going to attempt to do as much of this by hand as possible, only subleting the work that we can't do ourselves.

From what I was told and what I can see so far, all the pieces are here except for one rear fender and we have an extra front fender with the spare wheel well cut into it (obviously from a different model car).

There is no engine or transmission, so that will end up being brand new, as the plan so far is to turn this into a rod.

 

Prior to starting on all of the project, the plan is to chop the roof by approximately 2.5" and drop in a small block chevy motor (original plan, unsure where we will end up)

 

 

More info and pictures to come as we start this project fully.



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Its your car and you can do what you want , But if you want to enjoy the car before your passing your son a beer it may be wiser to just build a strait forward safe hot rod . Gain some knowledge gain some experience , have some fun  with your son but keep it moving along fast enough to hold his interest. If you think I'm wrong check out model a guys car.

http://ontariorodders.activeboard.com/t54267422/another-model-a-hits-the-road/

Simple clean classic that will look outstanding  no matter what the currant fad is. By looking at your project you already have a huge amount of work to do without becoming overwhelmed or loosing interest. I'm sure the original owner never expected to one day sell it in the condition its in. If you build it right and have fun there will be others to follow save the trick stuff for them. The first one of your own finished and on the road Is worth more then any 32 3 window any day in the long run. Do you get the feeling I may be against the CHOP. smile smile smile



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Here is an updated picture set from yesterday's reorganization of what I have and setting my garage for ease of use.  My son and I built a subframe out of wood so that are able to access the frame and the body seperately as we need them for working and they won't get in the way of each other.  The subframe is built with heavy-duty pneumatic wheels so that it may be rolled out of the garage so we are able to work on the body without too much hassle.  The frame is also on wheels so that it may be rolled out into the driveway to work on...should make it easier to work on everything.

Still a ton of work to go (obviously), but hopefully this will ease the transition into the starting phases of what needs to be done.

 

More to come as we move along further

 

Hooks



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Great project...good idea stacking for access

I gotta agree with slim....just building the car is a project......

Chopping a car is always a challenge....build the car to roller and final bodywork...then decide on chop

You have a T-T-T-T-TON of work ahead of you

Some of the best plans end up sold when people have greater plans than resources or knowledge and interest is lost

There are some VERY smart people on this site that can offer knowledge when you get stuck or frustrated or both

The most important theme of this project is....FATHER SON TIME

Keep posting....if I can offer ideas...or short cuts....I will

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Thank you for that and I agree

 

First is building the car so that we are able to enjoy it and not just look at it, then if at that point I am still in the mind-set of chopping, I will entertain it then.

 

I have had the opportunity to meet (phone calls) a few of the people on here and I greatly appreciate everyone's help and information.



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Slow and steady wins the race, take your time and ask lots of questions. The only foolish question, is one which is not asked !

Advise is always free... Congrats on your project ! Keep the pic's coming....

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Killer project ....Can't wait to see more pics.

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Ok. It's been a while since I have posted anything, guess it took me a while to swallow my pride and admit that I was wrong.

With that being said, I would like to outwardly apologize to those that I was kind of a dink to. I didn't want to admit that I didn't know what I was talking about and didn't want to accept the constructive criticism that was being offered by those that know alot more than I could ever even fathom.

I was attempting to put the cart before the horse, so instead I found a custom built TCI frame at an amazing price made to fit my car, so I scooped it up.

Grumps, Hemi43 and all others offended by my idiotic comments:

I am sorry for my newbie behaviour and not allowing seasoned vets assist in the way that was necessary at the time.....pure honesty.



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Now to update everyone:


I sold the green 1930 Ford Tudor pictured above back in mid September and picked up another project car. I was able to find another 1930 Ford Tudor, only this one is in better shape and has most of the trim pieces needed, the rear glass (which I am going to replace with safety glass), the entire subframe in perfect condition, and the gas tank was removed and replaced with a smoothie cowl from Brookville.

The person that I bought it from included a 9" Ford Rear End out of an early 70's Lincoln (too wide for what I need, so it's available if anyone is interested) and the original ownership for the car as well.

Here are some pictures of the condition of the car and some random pics of the progress so far.


Cheers.


Hooks.



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wow! that's a rare occurance! lol

I have learned the hard way to sit quietly and listen

Another thing I've learned is patience. I'm used to Jap cars, so anything I wanted I could just look up Ebay and get the part the next day. Hot rodding is a slow process, but I believe it will be far more fullfilling

Good luck with your project, and I'm sure we're all looking forward to your progress.

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Fish said..

"it took me a while to swallow my pride"

 

No offence taken by me..Pride cometh before the fall..we all been there, anybody who is perfect can rag on you..Glad you had the what ever to to just swallow it and come back..Looks like you got your self a nice  project for you and your son to spend some quality bonding time on many fathers and sons that spend time on a project like this have great relationships..good on you and we will looking at your progress.

 



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When you chop the top, cut around the rear window and keep it full size. Match up the side window lines to the back window. Looks better than a mail slot back window.


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jarvis1 wrote:

When you chop the top, cut around the rear window and keep it full size. Match up the side window lines to the back window. Looks better than a mail slot back window.


 I like that idea......Never seen it done before that I know of.

 

Do you have any pics of this type of process?



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Good for you for coming back Hooks! Nice to see that you found a better body & a TCI frame, and that you are having your son help you!

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Model A Guy wrote:

Good for you for coming back Hooks! Nice to see that you found a better body & a TCI frame, and that you are having your son help you!


 Thank you.

 

The only reason I started the project in the 1st place was for something that my son and I could work on together on it.  He is 9 years old and keeps me in line on the project, keeps me motivated on it as well.

 

Next installment on this project however is going to be a HEATED GARAGE......brrrrrrrrrrrr

 

 

 

 



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I'm with you on that one. I thought my garage would be ok in winter, as it's part of our Townhouse, and sandwiched between the neighbours, with a bedroom above it, how wrong was I!!!

I'm wondering if I stuck some of those styrofoam panels on the garage door it might help?

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Welcome back.
Your son looks like a pro in that one pic.
Keep up the good work.
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Welcome back Brian

It was great speaking with you on the phone today

It takes a big MAN TO STEP UP AS YOU DID

thanks for the lead

Maybe stop by your place on the weekend and offer a few suggestions

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Grumpsbodyworks wrote:

Welcome back Brian

It was great speaking with you on the phone today

It takes a big MAN TO STEP UP AS YOU DID

thanks for the lead

Maybe stop by your place on the weekend and offer a few suggestions


 Looking forward to it Glenn.



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            Brian 

                Welcome back. Well posted.

                 Don't forget to put it in your name/appraised before you make it look any better. 

                 What ever you do keep that young man involved that part of the build is golden!!!

                 TMJ


 Already did, 1st thing that we did.



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Real happy to see you have a new project. Building a hot Rod with your son is cool. My kids were involved with my builds since they were a year old. I used to put my daughter in a playpen and talk to her while I was working. Later my son and I built a V8 S 10 pickup for him to drive to school and I think it built character as well .

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Always nice to have help around the shop.
Keep posting your progress. Welcome back

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The pictures posted of the visor and cowl with the rust removed, that was all done by my 9 year old son by himself. He has completed the cowl inside and out and the same with the visor.

We have removed the rust from one door and removed a few dents as well, but then the weather turned on us and made it difficult to continue in the garage, so we have taken a hiatus from the work and will start on a plastic model inside of the car to "continue the build".

I was able to pick up a windshield with chrome stansions, dash rail, trim mouldings, chrome accessory handles, window roll-ups and door handles. The chrome pieces are brand new in the packaging and the other pieces are completely rust free (been in storage wrapped in newspaper for 15 years). I bought all of the above pieces for $220.00 (I think I got a good deal)



I wasn't really looking for parts yet, since I am a long way away from needing them, but a good deal is a good deal and it was hard to pass up.

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i have always had a question about the use of tudor to describe the car in this post, why is it tudor and not two door?  i doubt the reference is in any relation to the number of doors the car has, here is the dictionary reference i found for the word tudor

:  of or relating to the English royal house that ruled from 1485 to 1603
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:  of, relating to, or characteristic of the Tudor period
Tudor noun

Origin of TUDOR

Henry Tudor (Henry VII of England)
First Known Use: 1779
 
so is the cars name linked to the house of tudor or the period of architecture?  im not a ford guy so i have never heard anyone define this term before


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Just to confuse you some more, the 4 door version is known as a FORDOR.

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COBOURG, ONT

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does the hood and trunk lid count as doors?



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fatstax wrote:

does the hood and trunk lid count as doors?


 Trunk?



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A trunk back in the day WAS an actual trunk! That's how it got it's name! And a trunk rack was under neath the trunk to support it, not on top of the trunk like today's "luggage rack". Tudor has two side doors/ Fordor has four side doors. No real mystery there.

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And...a three window coupe has four windows.

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so tudor and fordor are just a lame ass way of saying it instead of using proper engrish, no actual legitimate reason for using those terms?



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Probably something Ford Company came up with.

Ford chose the Tudor designation for his 2 door sedans because it sounded classy in the day. Tudor being a royal family in England and back then it mattered and promounced "Tyu-der" there.
Fordor was the clever use of Ford when pronounced indicating the door count of the sedan.



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COBOURG, ONT

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thankfully people on here arent too dense, this was the answer i was after

Tudor being a royal family in England

mystery solved!



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All part of the friendly service....

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oh my.....always good for great laughs. Thank you guys for the smile.

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Grumpsbodyworks wrote:

Welcome back Brian

It was great speaking with you on the phone today

It takes a big MAN TO STEP UP AS YOU DID

thanks for the lead

Maybe stop by your place on the weekend and offer a few suggestions


 Glenn.....it was truly our pleasure to finally meet you this weekend!  Thank you for the advice and I can't wait for it to warm up to put some of it to use. 

 

 



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I really think you are on the right path this time Brian. You have negotiated some great deals and a good head start with the body, the TCI Chassis, The shorter 9", the flat head. Can't wait to see some more pictures of the build as it goes along. Best of luck to you and your son.

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Glenn

I hear that you and Brian have a deal going . I'm sure your help can be a great motivator resulting in a truly awesome car just as yours have been. This is what the Rodder community is all about.

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jarvis1 wrote:

And...a three window coupe has four windows.


 You're right, of course, but here's something to make you think. Bob Gault, who owns the Canadiana Museum in La Salle Ont. has some advertising that's supposed to have come right from Ford in 1932 that has a picture of a regular deluxe coupe and it says "Two window Coupe" Never seen or heard of anything like that anywhere else.



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I met with Brian on Saturday....He had given me a lead on a 1928 ford that I went and bought not far from him.

I then went over to his place and met Brian and his great son....... and looked at his project.

We spoke for about an hour and I bought a Ford 9" he had for sale at a fair price.

He has a great start for his project and has his son (9 years old) already working on the car!

I wish Brian well with his project and I offer any suggestion to make his project go smoother.

I hope others within this form do the same.

Thanks again Brian.



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Grumpsbodyworks wrote:

I met with Brian on Saturday....He had given me a lead on a 1928 ford that I went and bought not far from him.

I then went over to his place and met Brian and his great son....... and looked at his project.

We spoke for about an hour and I bought a Ford 9" he had for sale at a fair price.

He has a great start for his project and has his son (9 years old) already working on the car!

I wish Brian well with his project and I offer any suggestion to make his project go smoother.

I hope others within this form do the same.

Thanks again Brian.


 I look forward to MANY great things to come and would love the opportunity for my son and I to see 1st hand the expertise that comes from your shop!

 

Thank you again for your insight Glenn, it was greatly appreciated and well received.

 

 

Hooks



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Here is an update on the build:

First, nothing new on the actual build of the car, but more on the collection of parts that will be needed on the build.

I got an amazing lead for some parts for the car and here is what I ended up buying today:


-- 289 Engine out of a 1966 Ford Galaxy 500
-- All parts are still installed on the motor (i.e. Starter, Alternator, Distributor, wiring harness, etc.)
-- AOD Tranny (roughly 1983 or 1984 tranny)
-- 8" Ford Rear end out of a 1965 Mustang
-- Edelbrock 600cfm Carb
-- Stock Mustang II Spindles and mounting brackets
-- 302 Heads on the 289
-- Driveshaft with U-Joints still intact (obviously will have to shorten to match my car)
-- Exhaust components also from the 1965 Mustang (unsure what I will be able to use yet)



I had a friend that knows much more than me, go over and look at it with me earlier this week and he said, that there was nothing wrong that he could see, no obvious leaks or seep points. No visible oil stains.

The rear end has NO pitting and has brand new drums as well.

The motor was freshly rebuilt 4 years ago and was removed from the 65 Mustang after the car itself was demolished from a fallen tree.

Motor was running on the stand a month ago and was only out of the car for 18 months.


I am picking it up on Wednesday, so I will be able to post some pics once I get it home.

 

here are a few pics that I have so far. Will get better pics once I get it home



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Good Stuff Fishhooks !! Also, a good choice on the 8" Ford rearend. They tuck under the '30 Model A perfectly so as you can install a fairly wide rim on the rear, and the tires are still within the rear wheel wells for a much cleaner look. If you are using a stock Model A Frame and front crossmember,...and you need some measurements from the "Rad Mount Holes" on the stock crossmember,..to where your engine mounts need to be welded in place,..let me know,..I can help you with those measurements. Whoops,..just read back on some of your previous posts, you already have a custom frame,..but if the front crossmember is designed to take the Model A Radiator,..it should likely have the Rad mounting holes in the correct locations, for the measurements that I have.



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Thanks Cheyenne for the offer and when I get to that point, I will send you a message for that offer of assistance.

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I picked everything up last night and it's amazing.



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Did a little garage clean out today. Here is a picture of the frame as well that we picked up last October. 



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This is a small video of the 1st Start of the new motor for my Hot Rod.

 

Very excited that it worked as described when I bought it.

 

 

http://youtu.be/if98VO3yJEY

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Not being picky but that is a different looking 283,,just going by the video
TMJ

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FONTHILL, ONT

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Oh my. Can't believe I typed that. It's a 289

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Update:

My son and I spent the day today working on the hot rod.

He finished his piece by hand today and we got the first coat of filler primer on it.

He did a fantastic job on it.

I sandblasted part of the drivers side before stopping to help my son finish off his part and show him how to spray it properly.

Great day today of working in the car and bonding.


Hooks



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Some more photos



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