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BELLE RIVER, ONT

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So I'm over on the HAMB , checking out the latest threads .......some guy is building up a '47 Chrysler 4-door  ......DIFFERENT , right ? The hood is about 12 feet long and the back end is very abbreviated .......I'm thinkin' , maybe a unique low rider , or whatever  .

Now I'm reading about his choice of engines ........you guessed it , a $%@&^%  small block Chevy .....in a CHRYSLER !! NOT a 318 or a 340 or a 383 or a 440 , nope . Are rodders going brain dead ? What is happening to individual thinking ? I'm waiting to see a guy finding a vintage Duesenburg and , duh , dropping in a sbc .



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It takes just as much work and fabrication to put a Chevy engine in there as any other non stock engines. I have been known to desecrate (improve) a few Fords that way....but thats just me. To each their own.....lol

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Agreed, i,m getting tired of the same old engine swaps.
Cheapest way to go, so many parts available and pretty reasonable also.
But still,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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Bottom line is you can build a 500 + HP   sbc or a 150 hp flat head ford for the same coin. Another factor is how many people are competent enough today to do most of the work themselves  to cut down on the cost ? You are not going to see the industry cash cow disappear any time soon. Some are mindless followers and some just can't afford the price of an alternative.    



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slim wrote:

Bottom line is you can build a 500 + HP   sbc or a 150 hp flat head ford for the same coin. Another factor is how many people are competent enough today to do most of the work themselves  to cut down on the cost ? You are not going to see the industry cash cow disappear any time soon. Some are mindless followers and some just can't afford the price of an alternative.    


Pretty much nailed it on the head in my opinion. Going to second that idea of getting the most motor for your money with easy accessible parts. I drive Chevys so its an easy choice for me, but there seems to be a lot of people that consider it blasphemous to interchange companies. With that in mind wasn't the original goal of hot rodding to make the most power you could for as cheap as you could?



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teejay99 wrote:

So I'm over on the HAMB , checking out the latest threads .......some guy is building up a '47 Chrysler 4-door  ......DIFFERENT , right ? The hood is about 12 feet long and the back end is very abbreviated .......I'm thinkin' , maybe a unique low rider , or whatever  .

Now I'm reading about his choice of engines ........you guessed it , a $%@&^%  small block Chevy .....in a CHRYSLER !! NOT a 318 or a 340 or a 383 or a 440 , nope . Are rodders going brain dead ? What is happening to individual thinking ? I'm waiting to see a guy finding a vintage Duesenburg and , duh , dropping in a sbc .



-- Edited by teejay99 on Saturday 19th of April 2014 08:17:57 PM


I agree, I would like to see the 47 Chrysler with a mopar motor in it.  Not sure exactly how much length is in a 47 Chrysler firewall to rad ( depends on if it is 6 or straight 8 version ) and what the length of various mopar motors is. 

 

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Yeah , if you're talking strictly $$$ but do rodders only think cost ? I don't think so .It's only part of the equation .......that's why we ran Cragars instead of hubcaps , Hurst shifters instead of column shift ...etc .We wanted it ! And if you could pool all the enthusiasts out there , many have got motors of varying kinds for next to nothing .....swapping stuff ! We all did it .

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Did he say why?    did he have the sbc there?   or short on money ?    



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Naw , didn't see a reason .....I think car came with a straight 8 originally so I'm thinkin' there's lots of room . Ah well , it's his ride .

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A Chev in a Mopar ?? OFF WITH HIS HEAD !!!!

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Reading further , looks like he bought the car as a project with the sbc already installed . He's done a ton of work disassembling , fix body , repaint body and frame , reinstalled sbc which appears bone stock .

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With that long a hood, I would put a 2JZ-GTE in it . Of course if I did I wouldn't be posting it on the HAMB.

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I try to get a bit creative myself...so just to be different and go against the trends. I'll put a Hemi in my '38 Dodge.


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I think its odd to build certain cars with a non-matching drive line, especially stuff like a Shelby Cobra Kit with a Hemi or an old Buick with a 413 Chryco. Saying that, that is the root of how hot rodding began. I don't think that all builds cost similar. For instance, 340 mopars go for more than SBC's right off the hop and parts are not as plentiful. Not sure about crate vs crate pricing as I've never compared

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I got into a similar discussion last week and I couldn't make the other guy understand that my choice of engines was up to me because I was paying the bills to do my own car.

I have a Ford and my plan is to put a Chev engine in it. My plan was based on the fact the I already own the Chev engine and I no longer have a Ford or Dodge engine. Now if someone out there in Ontario Rodder land wants to give me a Ford or Dodge engine of equal quality to what I already own, I'll gladly put an engine of YOUR choice in MY car.

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Hey Bruce

I got a VDUB 4 banger that I got 5 k into

Trade for your Chevy?

That will look great in your 28 !

That would be my choice

Lmao

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Cat in the Hat wrote:

Hey Bruce

I got a VDUB 4 banger that I got 5 k into

Trade for your Chevy?

That will look great in your 28 !

That would be my choice

Lmao


 LOL, Thanks, but I want something that needs a radiator. It really does sound like a different way to go and I'm trying to picture a 28 Ford with a pancake engine and no grill.



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Bruce , let me ask you , if you had a tri-5 Chevy with no motor , and you won a complete Ford Racing crate motor in a raffle , would you install it in the Chevy ?

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Bruce , let me ask you , if you had a tri-5 Chevy with no motor , and you won a complete Ford Racing crate motor in a raffle , would you install it in the Chevy ?


 No, I wouldn't put a Ford crate in a 55 to 57 Chev but I would put it into my 28 Ford without hesitation.



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I'd put it in my Dakota ('s box), and take it to the swap meet.

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I wouldn't put the Ford motor in the Chevy either . If you asked a bunch of others the same question , and why , they would probably say it just seems strange ( remember , money isn't an issue ) ....when they opened the hood everyone would be questioning them , and the car would probably be devalued on resale . At the end of the day you just don't put a Ford in a Chevy .

But if you look at rods for sale ( carsonline , streetrodding etc ) probably 90% of the 20's-30's Ford rods are sbc powered .....the % falls off some 40's-50's but all the way up to mid '50's there are sbc powered Fords .......numerous F1 and F100 pickups up to '56 . I have yet to see a Ford powered Chevy Cameo pickup of the same era . I don't think it's money ...just a culture that developed sometime .

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I'm a Mopar Guy, but love late 50s early 60s GM wagons. If I ever built one, I wouldn't even think of putting a Dodge engine in it. It's just not right !!

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Gazoo wrote:

I try to get a bit creative myself...so just to be different and go against the trends. I'll put a Hemi in my '38 Dodge.


 that a good fit



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If small block Fords didn't have that front sump they would be used allot more in early Fords. SBC fit so much better,thats one reason they get used in more swaps than anything else.

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If small block Fords didn't have that front sump they would be used allot more in early Fords. SBC fit so much better,thats one reason they get used in more swaps than anything else.


 That makes a  lot of sense



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I wouldn't put the Ford motor in the Chevy either . If you asked a bunch of others the same question , and why , they would probably say it just seems strange ( remember , money isn't an issue ) ....when they opened the hood everyone would be questioning them , and the car would probably be devalued on resale . At the end of the day you just don't put a Ford in a Chevy .

But if you look at rods for sale ( carsonline , streetrodding etc ) probably 90% of the 20's-30's Ford rods are sbc powered .....the % falls off some 40's-50's but all the way up to mid '50's there are sbc powered Fords .......numerous F1 and F100 pickups up to '56 . I have yet to see a Ford powered Chevy Cameo pickup of the same era . I don't think it's money ...just a culture that developed sometime .


           34 chev 5 window coupe  390 ford powered

 

           Bottom line is people use  350 chev's  as they are cheap and plentiful . Try buying any fe parts or buick nailhead parts or hemi parts

they are 3 times the price of 350 parts. tri powers non chev 2000.00 / chev 800-1000.  Pistons non chev  1000.00  -- 350 chev 400.00

        I used the 390 because that is what I had available to me at the time. I am building a 33  3 window chev and using a 425 buick

the motor and tranny, used as a builder was 800.00 , I could buy a running 350 for that!!!  The oil pump for a 425 buick is 180.00

I have made my own oil pans and pick up tubes to clear cross members and run remote filters to clear frames and steering.

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Agree with your last line 100% , 34guy , ......in my mind that's a rodder !

Look I'm not bashing Chevy and never will . I love Chevys , they're wonderful , they're fantastic .....they make my nipples hard ....well OK maybe one nipple biggrin .....I've had a 55 , 58 . 59 , 61 and a 74 Vette  ...2 Oldsmobiles , several Mopars and lots of Fords . I avoid foreign cars . I certainly won't change the " put a Chevy in anything " culture that prevails , I'm simply wondering about it .

 

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I'm a Chevy guy..at heart and I build them .But I agree its getting old....Someone needs to put a Honda rearwheel drive Vtec turbo in a 32 Ford....

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Hey guys we have our very own anti SBC rebel on his site.I belive there is a certain ratrod running around the Bellville area that is powered by a Toy---- . I also happen to know it does very well at the Armdrop dragraces every year.   Ed



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And don't forget the straight 8 powered rat from the Cobourg area. The rats seem to like the wierd and wonderful.What about the Billet guys? Ed

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SBCs are cheap and plentifull and they fit just about any thing. I have 3 spare ones and a 55 ford project-so guess what. Ill just refuse to open the hood if theres any Ford guys around lol !

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Perhaps he was trying to be an individual..... just like everyone else!winkwink



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flatblack55delivery wrote:

The rats seem to like the wierd and wonderful.


 you mean left over suff that nobody else sees any value in. The left over stuff that doesn't equate to "go fast but might possibly get you home"....or at least few blocks



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teejay99 wrote:

So I'm over on the HAMB , checking out the latest threads .......some guy is building up a '47 Chrysler 4-door  ......DIFFERENT , right ? The hood is about 12 feet long and the back end is very abbreviated .......I'm thinkin' , maybe a unique low rider , or whatever  .

Now I'm reading about his choice of engines ........you guessed it , a $%@&^%  small block Chevy .....in a CHRYSLER !! NOT a 318 or a 340 or a 383 or a 440 , nope . Are rodders going brain dead ? What is happening to individual thinking ? I'm waiting to see a guy finding a vintage Duesenburg and , duh , dropping in a sbc .



-- Edited by teejay99 on Saturday 19th of April 2014 08:17:57 PM


 

 

Uh-oh.

Don't check my build. A BBC in a 1941 Chrysler New Yorker? Blasphemy.  I will be shunned forever, ha....

 

And yeah, I would put the Ford motor in a tri-five Chevy. Why not?

I'd put any motor into any car as long as it wasn't a gutless 6 banger.



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Nice attitude ShopRat I am sure that the ratrod builders on this site and a few others will appriceiate your opinion. Ed



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flatblack55delivery wrote:

Nice attitude ShopRat I am sure that the ratrod builders on this site and a few others will appriceiate your opinion. Ed



-- Edited by flatblack55delivery on Sunday 20th of April 2014 08:52:54 PM


I know I come off like I've got touretts sometimes, but I wasn't trying to be a dick but that is all I see when I look at rats. They are made of leftover stuff that nobody wants on a choice ride. 

Am I right?



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You know what they say about opinions. Pretty sure anyone of us building/driving a rat didn't ask for anyone else's  opinion when were building/driving it. And grinning from ear to ear.

But thanks for sharing yours smile



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janies dirty 37 wrote:

You know what they say about opinions. Pretty sure anyone of us building/driving a rat didn't ask for anyone else's when were building/driving it. And grinning from ear to ear.


 Now those are words of wisdom, right there fellas, you guys pay attention. That right there is what it is, in a nutshell.

I appreciate you sharing that with us J.



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Thanks for sharing what Janice was sharing !!
Super Duper Awesome !!
Good post !!

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Shop_Rat wrote:
flatblack55delivery wrote:

Nice attitude ShopRat I am sure that the ratrod builders on this site and a few others will appriceiate your opinion. Ed



-- Edited by flatblack55delivery on Sunday 20th of April 2014 08:52:54 PM


I know I come off like I've got touretts sometimes, but I wasn't trying to be a dick but that is all I see when I look at rats. They are made of leftover stuff that nobody wants on a choice ride. 

Am I right?


 Shop rat

i don't know what you drive or have built

BUT I would put my build against anything you own

for quality or new parts 

EVERY PIECE OF DRIVELINE. FRAME. STEERING. BRAKES

IS BRAND NEW ON MY CAR

Do you think shiny paint makes a quality car?

I have seen show cars that drive like crap

Shiny and Chrome < Quality safe drivable car

BTW you don't have to try to be something when it comes naturally  

BUT THANKS FOR YOU POST SHOP RAT



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I wasn't intending on starting a debate. I know my opinions don't match many others, but I am entitled to that. Build what you want to build. There are a few top notch craftsmen in this forum who's work I truly admire. Two have world class builds on the go, the others have completed theirs. These guys along with the stuff I see coming out of Hitman and Lowdown....THAT is Hot Rodding for ME. If you are happy with your efforts then nothing else really matters, my opinion included



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Thanks for your opinions and knowledge there shopRat your opinions are appreciated..Thanks for post..How about a picture of your ride or a link to it I can't remember if you posted a picture anywhere..Like to a picture..Thanks for the post



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Shop_Rat wrote:

I wasn't intending on starting a debate. I know my opinions don't match many others, but I am entitled to that. Build what you want to build. There are a few top notch craftsmen in this forum who's work I truly admire. Two have world class builds on the go, the others have completed theirs. These guys along with the stuff I see coming out of Hitman and Lowdown....THAT is Hot Rodding for ME. If you are happy with your efforts then nothing else really matters, my opinion included



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 Hitman and Lowdown ....is Hot Rodding to me....WOW

$100,000 +++++ cars

Thats not Hot Rodding......those are wallet cars.....just open your wallet....instant car

Drop your project off and pick up a show winner

Interesting what some people consider Hot Rodding

Good post....... Gear....er....Shop Rat....Thanks for sharing your thoughts

People like you make this forum what it is.....interesting

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Shop-Rat

I have to agree with Cat, it's not what you build, but how you build it. I'm not necessarily a ratrod guy, but I've seen some pretty nice engineering and execution in their builds. By the way, if you want to diss or comment on others on the site, where it says name on your profile enter your name and also maybe where you are from. Also do a biography and post pictures of your ride. If you want to hide behind anonymity and comment on others, maybe Poncho should delete your postings. Have the balls to stand behind what you say. This might actually apply to others on this site.

Sorry Glen, but I have a Hitman chassis in Dog Spit. I wouldn't drive a car with my welding.

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Thanks Warren

Dog Spit is amazing car. Very well built

I agree with you on others hiding. But not lacking in comments

Its easy to be a sniper instead of going toe to toe

Good post warren

Ps. Go with the mags!

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Oh the irony no

 

 



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Cat in the Hat wrote:

Thanks Warren

Dog Spit is amazing car. Very well built

I agree with you on others hiding. But not lacking in comments

Its easy to be a sniper instead of going toe to toe

Good post warren

Ps. Go with the mags!


 X2 on the Mags. Good post "Cat".



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Why must everyone define "Hot Rodding" over and over? Just appreciate the car for what it is and how it got there. If you don't like it, walk away for pete's sake! I don't give a damn if you don't like my car, I didn't build it for you. That's always been my approach on it.

The 350 sbc is cheap and reliable, easy to build, plentiful, easily modified, and has just about every aftermarket company offering parts for it. I had a 283 built for my Belair. It cost about 30% more to build than a 350. The 348 I put in my Delray cost me more as a used motor than a brand new crate motor would have cost. There was a 58 Impala in the Kitchener-Waterloo area for years. It was a trophy-winner wherever it went. I drooled over it each time I saw it, but the hood was never up. It was turned out to be an oily looking 305 that putted along just nicely and few people ever knew what motivated it. 

Put whatever you want in your own car for all of your own reasons, and tell the nit-pickers to piss0ff!

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