Doesn't say much for the sport when you can miss 1/3 of the season and contend for the championship....
Gordon runs strong at Homestead. He led a good part of the race last year. Would be nice to see one of the real drivers finish his career off in style.

The way it should be. Hopefully Harvick wins it as he deserves. The chase is BS!

Warren

Hopefully Hendrick Motorsports can keep it's winning streak going and make it 4 in a row. Actually any of the Chevy's just NOT a "Rice Rocket"..............

The Pearn name has been in South Western racing for quite a while. Never made the connection. I like Martin he's got his head on square

The caution on remaining 10 laps left for something the wind blew Off the track

Congrats to Ace .....I'm sure you planned it this way !?

I wonder if Nascar will make some , ahem , adjustments next year on their system since they are the only sport in the world whereby a part timer can win a championship . If not , maybe there is hope for my Detroit Lions as they only seem to play part of the season .....could they be Super Bowl bound ?  

The non chase points grid was listed above. If this is available now after Homestead, perhaps just to see how really good we are at picking winners, the standings could be listed using these. I don't mean to cause too much work but if you have a program that the stats just have to be entered, then this would be fun.

Warren

Wuga, I'm on another Nascar pool that doesn't use the crazy Nascar bonus points system ..... seems to work a lot smoother as far as understanding who the best drivers are of the season . Just my opinion .....yes and THANKS Poncho !! 

-- Edited by teejay99 on Sunday 22nd of November 2015 11:11:00 PM

-- Edited by teejay99 on Sunday 22nd of November 2015 11:37:09 PM

wuga wrote:

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The non chase points grid was listed above. If this is available now after Homestead, perhaps just to see how really good we are at picking winners, the standings could be listed using these. I don't mean to cause too much work but if you have a program that the stats just have to be entered, then this would be fun.

Warren

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 I am not that smart, I dont have a program for this, its done manually. I am not sure if I could get those non chase points week by week. I just happened to come across that one on Jayskis site

If I get a chance, I will have a go at it though. 

Good job Kurt;

thanks Harry for the Pool.

Here is some afternoon reading. Back in the early sixties, I was an avid NASCAR fan. I couldn't wait for the next issue of Hot Rod to come out so I could catch up on all the action. I could identify with the cars as the same ones they were selling over at the dealership and I could relate to the drivers because they were probably in the same income level as my parents. Well, something certainly has changed as it has in many sports. It's all about the gate, if your driver doesn't have a chance, why go, so we will level the field, give every driver the same car and create the most inane playoff system in sports. Just to find something interesting about the current state, I started playing with some numbers as some other web sites are doing and this is what I came up with.

The season as it ended with chase points

2015 NASCAR Sprint Cup Driver Chase Standings:
[after Homestead, race 36 of 36, Chase race 10 of 10]
1) #18-Busch [5 wins], 5043 CHAMPION
2) #4-Harvick [3], 5042
3) #24-Gordon [1], 5038
4) #78-Truex, Jr.[1], 5032
(note: no bonus points for the four drivers in the championship race)
5) #19-Edwards [2], 2368, -2675
6) #22-Logano [6], 2360, -2683
7) #2-Keselowski [1], 2347, -2696
8) #41-Busch [2], 2333, 2710
9) #11-Hamlin [2]. 2327, -2716
10) #48-Johnson [5], 2315, -2728
11) #31-Newman, 2314, -2729
12) #88-Earnhardt Jr. [3], 2310, -2733
13) #1-McMurray, 2295, -2748
14) #27-Menard, 2262, -2781
15) #20-Kenseth [5], 2234, -2809
16) #15-Bowyer, 2175, -2868

The season as it would have ended based on driver and team effort

Unofficial Top 25 in 2015 Sprint Cup Driver Points Standings (not the Chase):
[after Homestead, race 36 of 36]
(using current points system, but not the Chase rules, unofficial)

chase position
1) #4-Kevin Harvick(C1), 1321 2
2) #22-Joey Logano(EC), 1299, -22 6
3) #2-Brad Keselowski(EC), 1217, -104 7
4) #88-Dale Earnhardt Jr. (EC), 1198, -123 12
5) #78-Martin Truex Jr.(C4), 1165, -156 4
6) #48-Jimmie Johnson(EC), 1155, -166 10
7) #11-Denny Hamlin(EC), 1117, -204 9
8) #24-Jeff Gordon(C2), 1110, -211 3
9) #41-Kurt Busch(EC), 1108, -213 8
10) #19-Carl Edwards(EC), 1108, -213 5
11) #1-Jamie McMurray(EC), 1052, -269 13
12) #31-Ryan Newman(EC), 1052, -269 11
13) #20-Matt Kenseth(EC), 1046, -275 15
14) #27-Paul Menard(EC), 972, -349 14
15) #43-Aric Almirola, 940, -381
16) #5-Kasey Kahne, 939, -382
17) #15-Clint Bowyer(EC), 891, -430 16
18) #42-Kyle Larson, 872, -449 1
19) #16-Greg Biffle, 869, -452
20) #18-Kyle Busch(C3), 867, -454
21) #3-Austin Dillon, 832, -489
22) #47-AJ Allmendinger, 758, -563
23) #13-Casey Mears, 754, -567
24) #10-Danica Patrick, 716, -605
25) #9-Sam Hornish Jr., 709, -612

How 19 members on this site fared using the chase points

aceinthehole         20932
69ss454               20863

flatduck                19500
FordyAcres           16875
427Carl                16866
JPB                      18828
teejay                  16816
murraysavoy        16780
Flatblack55chev    16646
Gmdad                16598
77                      16578
Wuga                  16456
tc                        16414
Mscott                 16393
poncho62            15505
bluechev              15326
54vicky                15057
ziggy                  14236
Homer                12488

How you would have done if NASCAR gave drivers credit for a season of effort

Non Chase position   Chase
teejay           8317   7
murrayscott   8248   8
GM Dad         8215   10
69SS454       8213   2
427 Carl       8185   5
Mscott          8071   14
Wuga           8070   12
FordyAcres   8069   4
Poncho62     8032   15
54 Vicky       8009   17
Aceinthehole 7992   1
Flatback55chevy 7973 9
77               7970   11
Homer         7834   19
Blue Chev     7794   16
Flatduck       7788   3
TC               7756   13
JPB              7643   6
Ziggy           6942   18

Who were your popular picks

Johnson 17
Stewart 13 certainly disappointed the most
Gordon 13
Kesolowski 12
Edwards 11
Larsen 10
Kahne 9
Earnhardt 8
Logano 7
Kenseth 7
Baffle 4
Dillon 4
Harvick 4
Almirola 3
Boyer 3
Busch, Kyle 3
Hornish 3
Annett 2
Almandinger 2
Bayne 2
Newman 2
Patrick 2
Stenhouse 2
Truex 2
Bowman 1
Busch, Kurt 1
Menard 1
McMurray 1
Regan 1
Vickers 1
Whitt 1

So I think congratulations should go to both aceinthehole and teejay

Just my nickels worth.

Warren

-- Edited by wuga on Monday 23rd of November 2015 02:57:26 PM

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C'mon , the caution wasn't for a straw wrapper ,....it was a toenail clipping in an effort to help Jeffie get his fairy tale ending , but in the end he was left to complain about McMurray " racing him " ! Duh , Jeffie , this IS called a race .

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 It was a BS caution and robbed the kid Larson of his first win. He was the only interesting car to watch. Running right up against the wall and passing everyone. Had Keslowski in his sights and was gaining fast enough to have passed him in the final laps. Nascar needs to fix a few things to say the least. Can't just keep the same o'l round and round and round

The points are OK with NASCAR until the chase begins. Jayski only lists the top 25 drivers but anybody out of the chase can be accessed on the NASCAR site without distortion. I'm all for no chase.

Warren

I like it Poncho .

29th in points is enough to make the chase? Apparently so with the new Nascar, just need to win 1 race and you could stay home the rest of the season and save money and wear on your equipment. They got their storybook ending so will be interesting to see what they change for next year.

True enough. If I don't like the way it is done then I don't have to watch it. Have to quit wishing it would go back to the old days..lol NOT going to happen.

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I just don't watch it much any more and I can't watch a whole race of anything I tune in to see . I really find more fun and excitement at my local track on Saturday nights .

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We were racing there this summer with the Vintage Cars. I drove the tow vehicle to give him a rest and pit on the car. Unfortunately only 4 or 5 cars showed up so not put on a good show. I pitted for Al Harju at 5 or 6 tracks this summer so he let me race his back up car at the All Canadian Championship at Humberstone in Port Colborne at the beginning of Aug. I thought I did OK qualified 18th out of about 40 cars but only made up 2 spots in our feature. They split it into 4 features as no heats. Just to put on a show for the fans. First time in the car and not behind the wheel of a stock car since early 80s but got it back out of my system...lol. Was a lot of fun back then and not a real big expense to run Late Model. Have a nephew who still races at Ohsweken and we get down to Merrittville a few times a summer. It's a good deal for the money.