Following is a brochure I picked up at last weekend's Motorama Show. I attended a couple of the seminars they offered and this one being about Towing.
It was put on by a car enthusiast who just happens to be an officer with the Durham Regional Police Service's Regional Traffic Enforcement Unit. He covered
what you see on the brochure because he is the one who wrote it. There were a lot of questions asked and everyone seemed to have a different take on the rules.
I know this subject has been bantered around on this forum and I offer no opinion on what you should or not do. I post it For Your Information ONLY.
One of the fellows made the comment - "follow the rules using your own set up and if you are over, get the safety (yellow sticker) and pay to increase the gross
weight on your licence." It will be a huge savings in the long run. Maybe a yearly truck and trailer safety is just a good thing to do.
I walked away from that seminar with so much info, that I started to question myself again. I went this morning to weigh everything again. The weight transmitted to my trailer axle was 2720 kg and my truck weighed 2950 kg. My truck is rated at 3000 kg so I think I was OK to drive home last night. I am going to bump my truck to 4000 Kg to cover any extra cargo I carry but I don't think I have to include the trailer weight in my gross. Based on what I had in the trailer, I should never be heavier. I went to get both units inspected and stickered today. The officer mentioned a two prong situation, if your truck is stickered then any trailer you towed also had to be stickered regardless of size, but he mentioned an exemption which|I don't recall. Do you remember what he said because I really don't want to sticker my 4 x 8.
Great seeing and talking to you at the show.
Warren
My suggestion , if you are looking to buy a truck and/or trailer , get a hold of a TRUCK SPECIALIST at your dealer . Regular salespeople are urged to "sell what they have " and often give erroneous info or just plain incorrect info in an effort to sell the truck they have . If you have doubts still , go to a reputable trailer/RV dealer . I've given out info on the 4 major truck brands to help people out . A common problem is buying a short box pickup with the object of pulling a 5th wheel . The trailer will go through the back window on 90 degree turns if you don't have the proper slider hitch . The new Dodge 3 L diesel has a very low payload rating ...be aware .
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....Warren , the problem with your ratings being so close to the trailer weight is , you are going to put stuff in the trailer . Propane tanks are 20-30 pounds , clothes , food , booze etc .....you need the total weight .
-- Edited by teejay99 on Monday 16th of March 2015 06:41:30 PM
This is why I have my Suburban "plated' as a car!!!!! Also have a letter in G/box from ministry saying the same " Burb' with passenger plates does not need to have insp. sticker!!!!
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I walked away from that seminar with so much info, that I started to question myself again. I went this morning to weigh everything again. The weight transmitted to my trailer axle was 2720 kg and my truck weighed 2950 kg. My truck is rated at 3000 kg so I think I was OK to drive home last night. I am going to bump my truck to 4000 Kg to cover any extra cargo I carry but I don't think I have to include the trailer weight in my gross. Based on what I had in the trailer, I should never be heavier. I went to get both units inspected and stickered today. The officer mentioned a two prong situation, if your truck is stickered then any trailer you towed also had to be stickered regardless of size, but he mentioned an exemption which|I don't recall. Do you remember what he said because I really don't want to sticker my 4 x 8.
Great seeing and talking to you at the show. Warren
I think he said there is a form that you can get from the MTO office and sign - (maybe Personal Use Exemption Form). Best to ask the MTO and see what they say.
diesel grand Cherokee allowed to haul 7200 lbs ,,,, trailer 1850 lbs , drag car 2650 lbs = 4600 ish lbs . I clear by over 2000 lbs
in a few yrs I,m gonna redo the miska , then sell it off an buy an aluminum trailer , about 1300 lbs approximately .
My gasser project is gonna be lighter then the drag car , not shure by how much
the 50 is 3680 lbs and trans am is about the same . with trailer , they will be about 5600 lbs . Its an suv an runs on car plates ..77.
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You're right 77 , it will PULL 4600 lbs easily but do you know how much of the 4600 pounds is on the hitch ball ? Normally it's about 15 % of the load ( 4600 lbs ) .........is the Jeep equipped for that pin weight ? Do you have sway control ? I'm assuming it's a dual axle trailer .
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-- Edited by teejay99 on Tuesday 17th of March 2015 08:14:22 PM
factory equipped with trailer towing package . 7200 lbs trailer weight . 720 lbs tongue weight I have a name brand 10 yr old miska tandem 16 trailer , with 4 new rims an tires last summer , brakes gone thru summer before and I check the wheel brgs for grease quality and setting 2 times a yr usually . I only use the trailer for one trip to national trails , once to st Thomas an 2 times to Cayuga . and maybe 3 or 4 other shorter trips .
I,m not a know it all of the rules an regs of the road . I bought this unit to replace an older grand Cherokee that has a lower weight rating , and I would be right on the line with me , the woman , an some tools etc , towing to the track .
I also bought this unit , after talking to 3 other dudes that haul heavier , and or bigger trailers then I ever will and all were quite pleased with the performance and handling .
If I,m wrong . I,m wrong .
I just stated what I did to try to rectify an possible over load situation I had . ..77.
-- Edited by 77 on Tuesday 17th of March 2015 10:10:54 PM
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I think the MTO uses the mfg label to determine the weight of a trailer. a dual axle (2x3500lb) trailer has a RGW of 7000 lbs while the 5000 lbs axles are 9900 RGW to keep you under the 10,000 lb limit. As far as I know the mfg label is the weight, loaded or empty. A home built trailer doesn't have a mfg label so they weigh it and that's what they go by .
I've never used RGW ( registered gross weight ) in discussions about a trailer ....I look for the factory GVWR sticker which tells me what the axles can handle . The trailer weight and contents can't be higher than that figure . We always leave a buffer of 1000 lbs , if the customer is going to travel around with the trailer ( as opposed to planting the trailer permanently ) to allow for the effect of hills and similar terrain that will put an added strain on the tow vehicle . We've heard countless stories of a customer buying a trailer that is right near his vehicle towing capacity , and then having the transmission struggle and downshift in hilly territory . If they blow something it gets expensive .
I've never used RGW ( registered gross weight ) in discussions about a trailer ....I look for the factory GVWR sticker which tells me what the axles can handle . The trailer weight and contents can't be higher than that figure . We always leave a buffer of 1000 lbs , if the customer is going to travel around with the trailer ( as opposed to planting the trailer permanently ) to allow for the effect of hills and similar terrain that will put an added strain on the tow vehicle . We've heard countless stories of a customer buying a trailer that is right near his vehicle towing capacity , and then having the transmission struggle and downshift in hilly territory . If they blow something it gets expensive .
I read somewhere the MTO used the mfg label. So if it says 7000 lbs thats what it means no matter if your loaded or empty. The argument was "you could load it to the 7000 lbs total" So a small car on a home built trailer and pick up may just make it. As for me I have a 18,000 lb motor home and if I hook a 7000 trailer on the rear I'm over weight. With my home built trailer ( a copy of a mfg trailer) with no labels and GVWR signage they can weigh me and I'm ok. The home builds are just a loop hole. Basically I think they just add the gross weights and that's what they use. Home builds have no listed gross weight so if they want they weigh it.
-- Edited by RWW on Friday 20th of March 2015 04:14:48 PM
I walked away from that seminar with so much info, that I started to question myself again. I went this morning to weigh everything again. The weight transmitted to my trailer axle was 2720 kg and my truck weighed 2950 kg. My truck is rated at 3000 kg so I think I was OK to drive home last night. I am going to bump my truck to 4000 Kg to cover any extra cargo I carry but I don't think I have to include the trailer weight in my gross. Based on what I had in the trailer, I should never be heavier. I went to get both units inspected and stickered today. The officer mentioned a two prong situation, if your truck is stickered then any trailer you towed also had to be stickered regardless of size, but he mentioned an exemption which|I don't recall. Do you remember what he said because I really don't want to sticker my 4 x 8.
Great seeing and talking to you at the show. Warren
Warren : Your Trailer Weight has to be included in your truck GVW or you will be over weight, that is the reason for increasing the GVW on your truck ownership... Look at the VIN plate on the trailer and use that weight as I believe your trailer has two 3,500 LB axles !
-- Edited by Candy-Man on Thursday 9th of April 2015 01:20:36 PM
