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what is this engine worth?



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The casting number suggests its a 68...and could be a 302, 327 or 350.

1968 3914678 302 290 290 2/4 Camaro, Z-28
1968 3914678 327 210 350 2 car & truck
1968 3914678 350 295 295

Can you also provide the code stamped on the pad on the front passenger side of the block?

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Yep, there should be several numbers and letters on the deck surface (the machined surface the head sits on), passenger side, at the front of the block, right in front of the head. If readable, those should tell you what you want to know.

By the way, a block without heads is considered a "short block".


If the engine was ever rebuilt and the decks "surfaced", those numbers/letters are most likely gone.

 

Hmmm, just a thought ..... do you know what it is out of?  I notice you're not asking for identification, just value so it would help to know what it was removed from (although that doesn't guarantee that's the original engine from whatever it was taken out of) in order to determine value.

 

 






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Its out of a 1968 Gleaner combine. Its never been rebuilt so it should still have stamped numbers on the deck.
Thanks for the help

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The numbers don't matter now as you know what it's out of (assuming it's the original engine).

Since it's not in running condition (or rather "can't" be seen running), and we know it's not a desirable engine out of a '68 Z28, and assuming it's rebuildable (meaning there isn't a massive hole in the other side of the block biggrin), I'd say it could be worth a couple hundred  to someone looking to rebuild it.  I doubt it would go over $200 (just my opinion).

 

Why isn't it still in the combine?

 

Actually, if you could take a minute or two of your time (ok, maybe a bit more than that) it would be interesting to see exactly what numbers/letters this block does have as I have no idea how they would stamp a combine engine.  Could be interesting.

 



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Whitey wrote:

The casting number suggests its a 68...and could be a 302, 327 or 350.

1968 3914678 302 290 290 2/4 Camaro, Z-28
1968 3914678 327 210 350 2 car & truck
1968 3914678 350 295 295

Can you also provide the code stamped on the pad on the front passenger side of the block?

Thanks


 

If it could be a 350, does that mean that it's a large journal 327 if in fact it is a 327? (assuming the large journal 327 shared the same block as the 350).



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It is a large journal 327, and could have either a forged or cast crank. Being an industrial engine, it may or may not be a 4 bolt block, but I have never seen an orange painted industrial engine. Also, the heads that are on it will effect the value - double hump heads are always worth more, and a 68 should have bolt holes.

If it is a four bolt, forged crank, never rebuilt 327 with double hump heads - I would think about $500. If it is a 2 bolt, cast crank 327, that has never been rebuilt, and has truck heads - about $300. Being a virgin engine and pre-emissions commands a premium.

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Sorry about that, I should have stated that my $200 was for the actual short block, no heads.

If you've never seen an industrial engine painted orange, then this engine could be anything .... here's hoping it's a DZ 302.


So TSherman, definitely post those other numbers/letters if you get a chance.



I'm really curious to see what this thing "codes out" as .... can you imagine the MOE guys trying to figure out what the heck it came from and what emissions stuff it requires ... BBAHAHAHAHAHAHA biggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrin

 

Depending on the numbers, I'd be tempted to buy it just for that alone smile



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A DZ 302 as an original factory combine engine ? Come on now . That's pretty way out far in the next galaxy you Trekies !!

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A DZ 302 as an original factory combine engine ? Come on now . That's pretty way out far in the next galaxy you Trekies !!


 

No kidding eh smile

 

RacerRick mentioned that he'd never seen an industrial engine painted orange and the engine in the pics IS painted orange so it seems there is a possibility it isn't the original engine for the combine ..... therefore, as with most every SBC out there .... if it didn't come from a Corvette then it must have come from a Z28 (and if it's a '68 block biggrin).



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I will look for more numbers to post, thanks for your interest. It is the original engine for this combine.
I expect it has 2 bolt mains, a 350 version came with 4 bolt mains in early 70's Massey Ferguson.


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TSherman wrote:

I will look for more numbers to post, thanks for your interest. It is the original engine for this combine.
I expect it has 2 bolt mains, a 350 version came with 4 bolt mains in early 70's Massey Ferguson.


 

Usually there are some numbers that should be part of the VIN of the car (hence "numbers matching motor"), there will also (well, when the engine came from a car) be another grouping of letter and numbers (for example: T1128HM), these are the numbers and letters that tell what the engine came from etc.

I say "usually" because that is what is expected when the engine is removed from a car/truck.  I have absolutely no idea what might be on your block since it was originally installed in a combine but am very interested in what is stamped on your block.

Would you mind divulging why the engine was removed?  



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Maybe I could use that in my Massey Ferguson bracket-racer-to-be .....once I pull it out of the cow poop and restore it .......that thing should make hay when I get 'er finished , eh ? biggrinbiggrin

 

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The Combine was scraped for metal, only the engine was of any use.



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TSherman wrote:

The Combine was scraped for metal, only the engine was of any use.


 

Thanks for letting me know.

Any luck on getting any of the other numbers/letters off the block?



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It appears the last two letters are BA (also known as the suffix codes).

BA appears to be a 1968 230 in 6 cyl (which this is obviously not), so it does seem that a 327 with BA as the suffix code, was not offered in a car or truck (which makes some sense as this particular engine didn't come from a car or truck).

Hmmmm, very interesting biggrinwink









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Very interesting.
What makes you think its a 327 ?

I would drop the pan and take a look in there if I were you.

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Looking in the combine forums, I'm starring to think that it is a 350. 

I thought it was a 327 due to the numbers on the block.



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That casting number is a 68' only block in cars and trucks. Who knows for industrial applications. It should still have the internal provision for a road draft tube which they got rid of the following year.

The deck stamping looks like V0b062BA, or V06062BA. Both of these are wonky and have an extra digit for 68'.

V0b062BA makes no sense as the date code doesn't include letters, plus there is one extra digit.

V06062BA makes more sense but is still wonky, making this a flint built motor, on June 6th, with an engine code of 2BA. They didn't go to three digit engine codes until 1969, and cars and trucks never had a code that started with the number 2.

I think we need the actual date code cast into the block to verify it actually is a 68' block.

It looks like the heads do not have bolt holes - which a 68' engine should have. The two bars over rectangle casting mark is usually an early 283 power pack head.

If this is the original engine, I think it may have been rebuilt at some point in its life.

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That casting number is a 68' only block in cars and trucks. Who knows for industrial applications. It should still have the internal provision for a road draft tube which they got rid of the following year.

The deck stamping looks like V0b062BA, or V06062BA. Both of these are wonky and have an extra digit for 68'.

V0b062BA makes no sense as the date code doesn't include letters, plus there is one extra digit.

V06062BA makes more sense but is still wonky, making this a flint built motor, on June 6th, with an engine code of 2BA. They didn't go to three digit engine codes until 1969, and cars and trucks never had a code that started with the number 2.

I think we need the actual date code cast into the block to verify it actually is a 68' block.

It looks like the heads do not have bolt holes - which a 68' engine should have. The two bars over rectangle casting mark is usually an early 283 power pack head.

If this is the original engine, I think it may have been rebuilt at some point in its life.


 

If a '68 engine still had provisions for the road draft tube, then that's probably how this was vented as the valve covers don't have any holes in them.  Wouldn't early power pack heads have the staggered valve cover bolts (I can't see if this has those)?

This engine interests me but I'd like to know exactly what it is  smile



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678 block is very highly likely to be a 327, pull the flywheel, the shape of the crank flange will identify 327 or 350 crank

cyl head accessory bolt holes were 1st used 1969, when they moved the alternator to the passenger side.



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so...anything new on this mystery TSherman?

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The original 327 that was in my 68' Camaro had heads with bolt holes. The original heads had an early 68' date code. 68 was a changeover year so I would not be surprised if early cars had no bolt holes in the heads and later ones did. I know all 69's did.

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492 300 horse head with angle plugs an ass bolt holes is what rick is speaking of.....question mark don't work on key board

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