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My best friend Keith and I are building a nostalgia altered powered by a 261 Chev/Pontiac 6 cylinder.  He built the chassis at his home in Haida Gwaii, I joined him to finish it to this point and then I brought it back to Ontario to do the drive train. 

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Looks like fun.

Any idea what the horsepower/finished weight/expected times are?

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Nice work. Will be a"Fun Ride".



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Very nice    I love the choice of Power...

 

 

 

 

 

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Probably weigh in around 1700 pounds. Those 261s are heavy, you know. I'm bumping the compression, hopefully get it up in the 10 range, running a McGurk roller cam, triple carbs and build some headers. I want to port and polish the head, but that will have to wait. Might see torque at 260 and maybe HP at 300. Just hoping. Was going to run a powerglide, but an anemic engine like this needs a little more first gear, so have decided on the TH350 with a 3500 stall. Was also hoping to run the Armdrop this year but circumstances say next Spring.

Not a whole lot more will happen until Aug./Sept.

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427CARL wrote:

Haida Gwaii

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I looked it up too, almost sounds like it would be in Cambodia or something similar  biggrin



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HEY WARREN : That doesn't look like any 261 that I have seen --( How about a 292 ?? ) Love the concept and your workmanship ---- being an INLINER as well , it's all great -- Keep us informed -- LATER -- DON / Fleet 51

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Don

You are absolutely right. Keith was trying to get a bit of mock-up to get proportion. Trust me, there is definitely a 261 going in. By the way, I've been waiting since about Jan. 21 for Patrick's to get my parts and they still don't have them and every time I call, it's like starting over. He may be a good 6 cylinder guy, but he's a terrible business guy. Chatter on line will attest to that.

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fleet 51 wrote:

HEY WARREN : That doesn't look like any 261 that I have seen --( How about a 292 ?? ) Love the concept and your workmanship ---- being an INLINER as well , it's all great -- Keep us informed -- LATER -- DON / Fleet 51


 Thats a 292 in the picture for sure .



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Looks real good Warren. Love the drag link.

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nice little project warren, that should be alot of fun. tire size ?



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slim wrote:

fleet 51 wrote:

HEY WARREN : That doesn't look like any 261 that I have seen --( How about a 292 ?? ) Love the concept and your workmanship ---- being an INLINER as well , it's all great -- Keep us informed -- LATER -- DON / Fleet 51


 Thats a 292 in the picture for sure .


Warren, have you talked to Tom Langdon in Michigan in regards to your 261 parts? He could be helpfull.

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Just picked up an adaptor to run a GM V8 tranny behind the 261 from Tom Langdon. He is really the one who convinced me to go with the TH350. I basically am dealing with all the suppliers, Langdon, Carter, Chevs of the 40s, Patricks and Larrowe. The problem here is not the parts, despite the scarcity, they are out there. My main concern is getting a balance of weight, power and gearing to make this car fun.

Regarding the 292, Keith is a 6 cylinder guy running everything from 235s to 301s to 292s. We made the decision to use the 261 for two reasons, to run nostalgia in several areas, you can only run engines that were available before 1962 and also when I built the Bantam in 1965, I built it with a 261, so I am biased.

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Got the Bantam home and unloaded today. It was at Randy's getting a firewall and wheel wells. Looking a little dishevelled but we'll get that straightened out. The front axle is on backwards in case you are wondering.

Warren

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looking great


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Looks great Warren.

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Hey Warren,

here's some inspiration. Real 351 Boos and a C6. We built this one in the late 60's.  The Gramada Brothers from Windsor own it and brought it to the party 2 years ago

 

 

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I looked it up too, almost sounds like it would be in Cambodia or something similar  biggrin


 As opposed to Vancouver which LOOKS like Cambodia.awwawwaww



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It's been 10 months since the last update so what's new you ask? Well, we spent 7 weeks down on the east coast and then I went out to Edmonton for 8 weeks to build a new store for my daughter. In November we bought a house in Picton to extensively renovate so it has been tough to get at the Bantam. But last week, Keith, my partner on the project came in from Haida Gwaii and we got a fair bit done. I have been procuring pieces since the last post and it was time to start putting them together.

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made up some motor mounts, similar piece on the engine using poly bushing

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got the rear tranny mount installed, changed the original and installed floor braces.  panels will go in after engine/tranny installed

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front driveshaft hoop to protect the vitals

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Been trying to figure where the shifter should go, this feels perfect

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a good sturdy push bar, hope that cable is long enough to reach the 1/4

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the transmissions view of the whole thing

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the helmet bars were installed and the chassis painted

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It's all starting to take shape, the Ansens on the back with the 8.2 slicks and the reworked Harleys on the front

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Joey Ukrop posted this on the HAMB.  Joey was kind enough to put me in touch with Lynn Goodfellow, the owner.  We had a great chat.  This car has been owned by Lynn since 1958 but not driven much, he pulled it out of the barn last Summer.  This is pretty well what we were after.

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Things should be happening at a quicker pace now.  The engine will be ready this week, the transmission (TH350) has been reworked.  Pretty well all the pieces necessary to finish are now in the shop.  Looking forward to running at the Armdrop this Spring.

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Very nice.

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Very nice work wuga! Love how the car is taking shape...very cool!

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A bit of an update, got the chassis cleaned up and painted.  Lawrence Roblin rebuilt the rearend and brakes, Lightspeed Mike made up some cover plates for where the water pump and thermostat housing were.  Got the roll cage padding installed and the Wayne valve cover and side cover installed.

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Had a shorty 7" driveshaft built by Driveline in Whitby.

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The timing mark on a 261 is located on the flywheel and timed by a needle located on the bell housing.  Since a new adaptor and TH350 were installed, it was necessary to fabricate this timing pointer.

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It was decided to use the original Bantam rad which was rebuilt by EDJ rads in Frankford.

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A transverse cooler for the transmission was installed below the rad.

 

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Plumbing is simple and a small electric pump will be installed in the upper hose.

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Impressive...Race Car.

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Very cool build . ....... But Ummmmm solid rear axle = padded seat cover maybe ??

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Nice work Warren look forward to seeing it in action.


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Looks awesome! Might actually make it over to check it out some time this year.

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Where we are today

The body is out getting painted, should be back this week.   Once it is mounted, then all the lines, fuel, tranny cooler, electrical, wiring, throttle, shifter, oil filter etc. can be mounted.  Not sure if we'll be ready to go racing May 20.

Warren

 

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Looks great Warren.

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Been very busy lately so work on the Bantam has been slow. Got the body mounted, wiring done, most everything connected.
No fluids added yet but that should happen soon and then we can fire it up. We painted the car, but it just didn't look right so I went at it with a lot of sand paper and now it looks like the 60 year old car that it was meant to be. The color is true to the purple used on the dragster now in the possession of the ELTA.

Warren

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Looking good.

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Looking great Wuga!!!!!!!!!!

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Have been doing little things. I changed up the rad to a Superior Rad aluminum Model A so I could have a little more volume and put a pressure cap on. I had three Rochester big throat carbs which better meet the air flow requirements of the engine so they will be rebuilt and I am currently building the throttle linkage. Here are a few pictures of the current status

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A walk around

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Looking down into the ****pit through the roof access hole

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The left hand brake

 

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Lookin good, Warren.

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Will you be coming down to the ELTA drags at St. Thomas this year??? Hope to see you Bud

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We want to do the first run against the Purple People Eater

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Been working at the Bantam slowly but getting a few things done.  Rebuilt the Mallory Distributor and ran new fuel lines.

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The Rochesters are rebuilt and made caps to cover the Edmunds air cleaner to act as chokes.

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turned the model A rad shell into a Bantam rad shell.  Found this original Bantam hood ornament in England.

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Kim Taylor from Belleville came down and lettered the car.

G= Grimm   R=Rowsell   M=Mathieson  three people instrumental in the preservation and building of this car over the past  54 years

J= 6 cylinder  A= altered  a= automatic

063=  number assigned by Melt Down Drags

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Ran into a little (or is that big) problem with the front hubs, but that will be fixed by Tuesday.

Hope to do a test run down the road shortly getting ready for the Armdrop May 19

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Are you required to pass a tech inspection at the events you plan to attend?

I read about someone towing a car all the way from Arizona to Bonneville and not being able to run it due to not meeting tech ... that has got to suck.

Would be nice to have it verified "legal" before making the tow to anywhere too far away.

Just asking because I don't think NHRA (for example) allows copper tubing to be used for fuel and I am also thinking a rigid line from firewall to carbs might be frowned upon too, as there is no allowing for movement between engine and body. I also saw a video taken at Sparta where some participants were in t-shirts and no helmets so I understand that not all events are run like the NHRA.

Looks like it should be a fun ride.

 

EDIT:  I think I just found out my answer ... the Sparta drags on Youtube were actually the 2017 ELTA Big Go Summer Drags and you can clearly see some drag participants wearing T-shirts and no helmets so I don't think you need to worry too much about a stringent tech inspection, or certainly not to the extent that the NHRA requires.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zzol460TFM (4:30 into the video with a Model T with 5-spokes).



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You may be right about the copper lines, we'll find out. The engine is solid mounted so no movement. If push comes to shove, I will cut a piece out of each line and install a flex piece. The chassis has passed NHRA inspection and I have a full fire suit. They did not see the copper lines.

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Pete is correct. No copper fuel lines and no fuel lines on the firewall.


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Sherwood

You know my taste. I've built the pretty one, now it is time for a real hot rod. By the way, the fuel delivery system has been completely changed. Just waiting for one part and I will post pictures.

Warren

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Glad to hear the fuel system is getting a re-work, it would really not be fun to tow somewhere only to be turned away for something simple.

Regardless of where you intend to run, following NHRA rules pretty much guarantees acceptance at any track.

I do know they don't allow copper, don't allow firewall mounted fuel lines, allow only short sections of rubber line and most likely don't like seeing solid mounted hard line from chassis/body to engine.

BUT ... as noted by drivers at an event here in Ontario wearing t-shirts and no helmets while going down the track, it really depends on where you are running and who is hosting the event ... again, can't go wrong with NHRA rules as a guide though.

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So after all the concern about the fuel lines, I contacted Ryck Campbell, district 1 chief tech inspector for NHRA and he replied to me:

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Fuel line in the Bell Housing area needs be: “Fuel lines (except steel braided lines) in the flywheel/bellhousing area must be enclosed in a 16-inch length of steel tubing, 1/8-inch-minimum wall thickness, securely mounted as a protection against fuel-line rupture.”

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Subject: fuel lines

Could you look at this site http://ontariorodders.activeboard.com/t61855703/the-bantam/ of my build especially near the bottom where I have posted pictures of the engine. What do I need to do to my fuel lines to make them NHRA compliant. I used 3/8 copper but can change it to 3/8 aluminum fuel line if necessary. Can I leave the parts attached to the firewall where they are? Can I Install a piece of flex in each line going to the carbs? I have tried to interpret the rules as stated in General Info but I am still confused as to what I can use.
Any other comments regarding issues would be appreciated. I have tried to contact Stephen Lecours but he is away until late May

Despite his minimal concerns, I decided to go a much simpler route replacing the copper with aluminized fuel lines and a AN flex lime between the chassis and the engine.

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fuel manifold

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triple setup with Edmunds cleaners

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overflow tank which I purchased from Cuddles rubber mounted.  I will paint the clamp black

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GOOD work!!!  



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HI WARREN : SUPER pleased to see your progress . It looks GREAT !! -- With any luck , I may see you at the Armdrop , and get to hear that 261 !! -- All The Best -- LATER -- DON/ Fleet 51

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Warren,

Fuel line in the Bell Housing area needs be: “Fuel lines (except steel braided lines) in the flywheel/bellhousing area must be enclosed in a 16-inch length of steel tubing, 1/8-inch-minimum wall thickness, securely mounted as a protection against fuel-line rupture.”

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That's it???  confuseconfuse

That's all he had to say???  confuseconfuse

Nothing regarding copper line ... nothing regarding aluminum lines? ... nothing regarding distribution block mounted to the firewall? ... nothing regarding solid 'metallic' line from firewall to engine with no accounting for movement?  confuseconfuse

Assuming Ryck read this thread (which it appears he actually did not), this would have been a perfect opportunity for Ryck to dispel the rumours that abound regarding what is and isn't legal and ... pretty much nothing.  Speechless ... no

 

My understanding is that copper is not legal and neither is aluminum ... either the rules have changed since I was a member of the NHRA (which I was) or I am completely out to lunch.  I'll let you all decide which biggrinbiggrin



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Actually the NHRA is 'out to lunch' in a lot of different ways.

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Well, we took the Bantam to Byron for the Melt Down Drags but had electrical issues and never ran. We then took the car to the ELTA Bash where it ran better with each run 1/8th mile. Slow but steady. Took it up to Shannonville last Friday and ran 1/4 mile until the rains came. It ran 79.13 @ 16.90. I am going to upgrade the ignition to Pertronix and I have a Frank Lupo 4000 stall converter to put in. Should make quite a difference.  The car steers and handles like a dream which we wanted to find out first.  The TH350 shifts rock solid, just needs that converter for a better launch.  We will have it at the Jalopy Jam Up and the Deuce/Merc shows this weekend.

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