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DOURO, ONT

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So - I wish to import a vehicle from Michigan into Canada.

Us tells me I need a broker to input the vehicle info into their AES system 72 hours before I go to pick the vehicle up.

The border agent says I can not do it in any way shape or form.

Anyone here recently imported a vehicle from the US - and if so how did you do it - and do you have info on this procedure, how its done, or who I might contact as a broker to put it in the system?

The border agency says the owner can do it  - but the website is very hard to navigate and not sure a regular person could get it done without getting frustrated??

 

thanks

 

Ken



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Go to " Border Bee " website and click on "these guys , Simplified Trade Solutions,just did it for my PT Cruiser, make sure the original title and 2 copy's are at the border 72 hours prior to exporting,export office will only let you cross between 8 am and 4 pm Monday to Friday only, and they don' count weekends as time served,just sent all my paperwork via UPS to my border crossing,once they receive it,the time starts then,time Stops at midnight Friday then restarts Sunday midnight

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now thts intresting - border security at Sou said 7 days a week 24 hours 365 can cross with the proper paperwork
and when i questioned him about the weekdays thing - he said someone was bull****ttin me as since the AES system its all computerized and ready to go even on weekends

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The different boarder crossings have different times for vehicle export. I bought a 1915 Ford T in Detroit Sun. now waiting for the check to clear the bank then I can wait the 72 Hr. You will need a ITN number doing it yourself.



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Wow...They sure don't make it easy on you guys to get a car here in the U.S.!!! sounds like typical government Bull!!

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Actually, this is all US paranoia, not the Canadian side. All Canada wants to do is collect the tax. Even if you have the ownership in hand, US border security wants 72 hours to verify that the vehicle is not stolen or has a lien etc. The other morning I pulled into what appeared to be the only open lane at the border crossing, US side. I waited my turn and pulled up when the lane was clear. The lane had a Nexus sign, but I did not know it was Nexus exclusive. I don't have a Nexus card. They seized my keys and held me for a half hour before letting me proceed. The explanation was I had pulled into the Nexus lane, even though I had my passport and the documents to pick up the goods I was after.

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best part is - so I found out yesterday - each border crossing has its own rules - so you had best be calling the border crossing you plan to use to see how they do things.

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Elliot Brokers in George town Ontario Helped my Friend...no issues.
For myself I've always Done these things on my own as warren has.
Once Brought a Diesel K5 blazer back to Canada...
On that trip we broke down in Columbia S.C Where i pulled the 700R trans out an rebuilt it in the hotel parking lot on the tail gate..
Duress makes ya do funny things some times.
While my wife an kids waited in the hotel room.
When we hit the border at 230 am we went into customs paid a whole 25 dollar fee for import an taxes.
We then drove home knowing we had 30 days to go back for inspection in order to transfer to Canadian title.
When we went back for such inspection ...All went well.
The funny part is when we crossed the first time border guard had asked anything to declare The answer was yes this bottle an the truck...
I felt for this woman as we were in the R/V lane an she had the very difficult job of inspecting motor homes.
So she say's Why would you buy a piece of **** like that!!!!!!
Well i gotta tell ya's i started laughing...an answered you're starting to sound like my wife...
So after all was done an said one day in the winter had trouble starting the ole diesel an my son ended up late for school..
So once there an signed in...The teacher asks him why are you late?
My son answers My Dads "**** BOX WOULDN'T START"
Well the teacher made the call of course to Tell us how unacceptable his answer was....So much for Freedom of Speech Huh!!!








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That is funny.

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I did this a couple of years ago. Used Pacific customs brokers Inc. Different crossings had different rules. Some would only let me cross during the day, during the week, others 6 or 7 days a week. Some needed originals for paper work, others copies were fine. They had all the paper work at the crossing for me 72 hours ahead and after a 15 min. nerve wreaking discussion I was back on my way to the Canadian border. Also make sure that you know the rules for the state you are buying from. In New Hampshire where I got my truck they don't have a registration for old vehicles but the border guy insisted that all states do. I had the copy from the web site for New Hampshire that stated otherwise. He mumbled some stuff but eventually he let me go.
Good luck.

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Heres a Crazy story about importing a car the wrong way..

www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/south-africa-will-crush-smuggled-ferrari-laferrari/ar-BBz4eFE


South Africa Will Crush Smuggled Ferrari LaFerrari 2 / 44
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Kyle Cheromcha
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There are are only 500 Ferrari LaFerrari coupes in the world-a few painful crashes notwithstanding-so if we were lucky enough to get our hands on one, we'd do everything in our power to prevent it from getting crushed. But apparently, that's just too much of a hassle for one owner in South Africa, who let his LaFerrari languish in a customs warehouse for three years over unpaid import taxes before getting it seized again in an ill-fated smuggling attempt last month. Now, the South African Revenue Service has had just about enough, so they're getting ready to crush the damn thing.


"When it was first brought into the country, the owner failed to follow correct import procedures including paying the necessary customs duties and VAT. As a result, the vehicle stayed in a bonded warehouse for three years because the owner could not finalise the required customs processes," SARS told fin24.

This February, after years of inaction, the owner submitted paperwork to move the LaFerrari out of the country to the Democratic Republic of Congo. The hypercar did indeed leave the country, but agents caught smugglers trying to sneak it back in the very next day, at the very same border crossing. Money can buy a hypercar, but it can't make you smart.


SARS announced the seizure today, and CarBuzz notes the next stop in these situations is usually the crusher. In addition to all the tax shenanigans, it's also now illegal to import new left-hand-drive cars into South Africa. So it's a double whammy for this low-mileage LaFerrari. Imagine, all this could have been avoided if the guy had just bit the bullet and paid the taxes in the first place.



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I have used Peninsula Custom Brokers Ltd. No problems.  Office is in Fort Erie but I am sure they can answer any questions



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I have done it several times over the years. As time has passed it has become a little more involved as they turn the screws tighter. But still it wasn't all that hard to do it one self.

I was once told by U.S. Customs that the regulations were always there just not enforced until good old 9 11. Then they decided to increase enforcement.

The following is a cut and paste from another Board. I assume it is true but note that it is information from a Manitoba Broker. Looking for work, maybe. But informative non the less. A lot more involved than it was in the recent past.

If true which I think it is, some U.S. sellers may not want to get involved with a Canadian if you can't get down there to make/close the deal your self.



And I quote "If you are planning to buy a used vehicle in the United States and bring it home to Canada, a new U.S. government rule means a bit more legwork.


If you don't do it, it could cost you a lot more money.


WHAT IS THE AUTOMATED EXPORT SYSTEM? Automated Export System (AES) is a mandatory filing requirements by U.S. Census Bureau of the of Electronic Export Information (EEI).The exporter or the authorized agent must file the vehicle's EEI information using AES.From AES, the importer (or authorized agent) will receive an Internal Transaction Number (ITN) number in a confirmation message.This number must be presented to U.S. Customs to bring the vehicle into Canada.-- source: www.riv.ca


The rule requires electronic export information (EEI) to be filed for any used "self-propelled vehicles" -- any automobile, truck, tractor, bus, motorcycle, motor home, agricultural machinery, construction equipment or any other kind of special-use machinery designed for running on land -- through the U.S. government's automated export system (AES).


"Starting April 5, the exporter in the U.S. is required to file automated export system information. They have to report to the U.S. Census to tell them who they are, what they're sending, who it's going to, in a nutshell," said Trevor Franzmann, sales and marketing manager at A.D. Rutherford International, a Winnipeg customs broker who works with customers on both sides of U.S.-Canada.


"This is absolutely making it more difficult to buy a vehicle in the U.S. and bring it across the border."
'This is absolutely making it more difficult to buy a vehicle in the U.S. and bring it across the border'


Statistics Canada's international accounts and trade division figures for 2013 showed there were 1,332 self-propelled vehicles imported to Manitoba alone from the U.S., for a total value of about $44 million. Across Canada in 2013, there were 18,441 vehicles brought in from the U.S., for a total value of more than $555 million


Since April 5, self-propelled vehicles exported from the U.S. to Canada are no longer exempt from AES filing. The filing must take place 72 hours prior to crossing the border.
A fine up to $10,000, under the U.S. Census Bureau foreign trade regulations, can be levied for failing to submit the AES information.


"It's excessive, to say the least. The bottom line is it (the vehicle purchased) is not going to be allowed in the country (Canada) if you don't file your AES filing," Franzmann said.
An "informed compliance" period is in place until Oct. 2, giving people time to figure out the new requirements. Franzmann said Canadian buyers of vehicles from the U.S. should start complying right now or risk having the vehicle held up at the border.


"People should also be aware that, even though there is informed compliance right now, U.S. Customs has the right to deny you entry if you don't file the AES," he said.


Once the AES filing has been completed, an internal transaction number (ITN) will be assigned. The importer or a customs broker needs to present that number to U.S. Customs and Border Protection to bring the vehicle across the border.
"Simply, it ends up being the Canadians' responsibility to make sure AES filing is done, because that vehicle is not going to get into the country (Canada) unless you are provided with an ITN, an internal transaction number," Franzmann said.


A potential problem is that to complete the AES filing, the U.S. seller is required to have a federal tax identification number called an EIN. Private individuals in the U.S. might not have an EIN number but, under the new rule, the American seller will have to get one to comply with the AES filing.


That means taking the time to apply to the U.S. Internal Revenue Service, and some private sellers don't want to do that.
"What we're telling our customers is find out if the seller has or will get an EIN number. If the seller won't, don't buy or get your money back," Franzmann said.


Another possible point of confusion is which person is ultimately responsible for the AES filing.
Dale Kelly, chief of the U.S. foreign trade division, said that can vary with the location of the Canadian purchasing the vehicle.
"If the person from Canada (the importer) is actually in the U.S. at the time the goods are purchased or obtained for export, then that person/company/individual is considered the U.S. principle party in interest and responsible for the filing of the AES," Kelly said in a telephone interview from Washington, D.C.
"Only if the merchandise was sold by a U.S. person or company and the Canadian person never came to the U.S., then that U.S. company would be considered the U.S. principal party in interest."
Canadians importing a vehicle must be prepared to meet all requirements at the U.S. border in addition to paying fees and taxes.
Canadian Border Services Agency spokeswoman Esme Bailey said Canadians should contact the CBSA before they plan to import a vehicle by calling 1-800-461-9999 and visiting the website

www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca.
ashley.prest@freepress.mb.ca"





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Rumblegutz info is correct. First of all you WILL need a broker. The major problem will be with private U.S. citizens who will not have or be willing to get a EIN number. Their concern is 'privacy' and/or U.S. tax laws. Most U.S. dealers will have the EIN. It is my understanding Canada Customs don't give a damn about these U.S. requirements and don't even check to see if you have complied . I know of a few brave souls who have simply drove through with their purchases, paid the Canadian taxes and went on their way. The problem is if you have some over zealous Canadian Customs office who sends you back to the U.S. or at a later date you want to re enter the U.S. and they discover what you have done. Whatever good luck.

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Bob T wrote:

Rumblegutz info is correct. First of all you WILL need a broker. The major problem will be with private U.S. citizens who will not have or be willing to get a EIN number. Their concern is 'privacy' and/or U.S. tax laws. Most U.S. dealers will have the EIN. It is my understanding Canada Customs don't give a damn about these U.S. requirements and don't even check to see if you have complied . I know of a few brave souls who have simply drove through with their purchases, paid the Canadian taxes and went on their way. The problem is if you have some over zealous Canadian Customs office who sends you back to the U.S. or at a later date you want to re enter the U.S. and they discover what you have done. Whatever good luck.


 over zealous Canadian Customs office who sends you back to the U.S. or at a later date you want to re enter the U.S. and they discover what you have done. Whatever good luck.

 

 

Ya its just yet another money grab....A declared value of 900 us currency will result in a 350 dollar fine for failing to report back to them after 30 days.

If you plan on using your purchase for parts Then no big deal...wink

The big deal happens when you go to register such after 30 days an you dont have the required paperwork they demand....confuse

At this point You must comply or die!!!! LMFAO.......Bend over "SUBMIT"...Duress comes to mind!!!biggrin

 

Oh an they do NOT offer "LUBE" Like a seized engine you'll be taken errrr DRY.cry



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