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Hello:  I am wondering if anyone here has a list of what is required to pass a safety for a 1929 model 'A'?  It is my understanding that the regulations current in 1929 still apply to my vehicle but I don't know what they are.  I'd like to know BEFORE I take the car in for a safety so that it is well prepared to pass inspection.  Thank you



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Same as a regular inspection and only have to worry about what was on the car when new. Example seeing it never had signals it will be exempt. Unless someone put them on then they count.

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Smokin Joe wrote:

Same as a regular inspection


        Frame, suspension, brakes, fuel lines brake lines . lights . tires    as Joe says .  regular inspection 



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What year is the engine? If original no problem if it is newer you have to meet engine year specs

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Having seen a pic of your car, I believe you are going to have to find a very forgiving mechanic willing to sign off on your car meeting safety standards. No hood, no fenders, no bumpers, chopped, channeled etc are most likely items and modifications that will make most mechanics run (not walk) away from signing your cert.

My thought is that your best bet is to speak with the owners of similar cars (by attending shows and cruises) and asking who they used/how they went about getting their cars certified.

I have never heard anything about certs and year of manufacture of engine having anything to do with each other.

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Read Pete Moss's second paragraph...

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69SS454 wrote:

What year is the engine? If original no problem if it is newer you have to meet engine year specs


 

This has nothing to do with certification.

However, the sniffer cops will get you after you're certified and caught on the streets.



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The sniffer cops will get you after you're certified and caught on the streets.


 

I believe I read he is running a 1966 289 Ford engine so they will hopefully leave him alone.



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Hey Cuddles, my car passed a safety just as you see it here.

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iron horse wrote:

Hey Cuddles, my car passed a safety just as you see it here.

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 By the letter of the law your car would not pass safety. Originally that car came with fenders and bumpers, thus requiring them for safety. You found a street rod friendly mechanic to fill out the required form.

I'm not saying your car is unsafe, I'm saying it doesn't meet the minimum requirements set out by the MTO.

 

 



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I could be wrong but I believe door handles are a safety item as well (they were certainly stock items on Model A coupes and tudors).  Sumpin' about emergency people being able to open car doors in order to extract the remains biggrin



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Pete Moss wrote:

I could be wrong but I believe door handles are a safety item as well (they were certainly stock items on Model A coupes and tudors).  Sumpin' about emergency people being able to open car doors in order to extract the remains biggrin


 Not all Model A's had exterior handles, 28 Roadsters for example only had inside handles, 29 had outside handles. I bet there's 29's out there that left the factory with 28 doors though - if they had any left over at the end of 28.



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I get that not all Model A's had exterior door handles but the coupe and tudor mentioned in this post certainly did smile (cars with door glass, full door frames and solid roofs) 

It could have just been a rumour but I do remember hearing about people getting tickets for shaved handles when the mini-truck craze was in full swing and Model A coupes and tudors definitely left the factory with them. 

  

My point being that although there are plenty of cars running around without fenders, bumpers and with shaved door handles ... they may not be completely legal (I know, I've heard the "I the fought the no fender ticket and won" speech before) and therefore a person needing to get a cert for a car with those 'modifications' (or 'body parts missing') needs to find a mechanic willing to 'overlook' the obvious ... which, I'm guessing, is a relatively short list of mechanics.

Cuddles should contact Iron Horse regarding who he used smile

 



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He is building the car to be safe. He understands the rainy day law and he has a mechanic who also understands. Unless you are creating a rooster tail, nobody has been hassled for years regarding the lack of fenders. Maybe the glass is half full, not half empty.

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Pete Moss wrote:

I get that not all Model A's had exterior door handles but the coupe and tudor mentioned in this post certainly did smile (cars with door glass, full door frames and solid roofs) 

It could have just been a rumour but I do remember hearing about people getting tickets for shaved handles when the mini-truck craze was in full swing and Model A coupes and tudors definitely left the factory with them. 

  

My point being that although there are plenty of cars running around without fenders, bumpers and with shaved door handles ... they may not be completely legal (I know, I've heard the "I the fought the no fender ticket and won" speech before) and therefore a person needing to get a cert for a car with those 'modifications' (or 'body parts missing') needs to find a mechanic willing to 'overlook' the obvious ... which, I'm guessing, is a relatively short list of mechanics.

Cuddles should contact Iron Horse regarding who he used smile

 


 that was the only knowledge I could contribute here. I saw my window and took it. lol sorry.



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Pete Moss wrote:

I get that not all Model A's had exterior door handles but the coupe and tudor mentioned in this post certainly did smile (cars with door glass, full door frames and solid roofs) 

It could have just been a rumour but I do remember hearing about people getting tickets for shaved handles when the mini-truck craze was in full swing and Model A coupes and tudors definitely left the factory with them. 

  

My point being that although there are plenty of cars running around without fenders, bumpers and with shaved door handles ... they may not be completely legal (I know, I've heard the "I the fought the no fender ticket and won" speech before) and therefore a person needing to get a cert for a car with those 'modifications' (or 'body parts missing') needs to find a mechanic willing to 'overlook' the obvious ... which, I'm guessing, is a relatively short list of mechanics.

Cuddles should contact Iron Horse regarding who he used smile

 


Nickeleye wrote:

 that was the only knowledge I could contribute here. I saw my window and took it. lol sorry.


 

No reason to apologize for anything as you are correct, not all Model A Fords had door handles smile

I guess the point of this entire post is meaningless as, according to Wuga, Cuddles already has a "hot rod friendly" mechanic eagerly waiting to sign the cert papers.  Would have been nice if Cuddles had mentioned that at the beginning of his "what do I need to do to make sure my hot rod passes certification" as that is something his mechanic should easily be able to answer. hmm confuse evileye



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wuga wrote:

He is building the car to be safe. He understands the rainy day law and he has a mechanic who also understands. Unless you are creating a rooster tail, nobody has been hassled for years regarding the lack of fenders. Maybe the glass is half full, not half empty.

Warren


 Tell that to the truck guys with tires sticking a couple inches outside the fenders.



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What is it about trucks. They seem to always be the ones getting hasseled MTO,MOE,and cops in general seem to be on there cases.Hot Rods and Kustoms seem to be able to get by but trucks not so much. Maybe its all that coal coming out of the stacks of a truck you could practicly drive under. I just want to thank them and the cambered tuners for keeping them busy so I can take my car out for a ride once in awhile. Ed


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and don't get me started about the use of historical plates !!

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This car has historical plates

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This car has regular vanity plates and no front fenders

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This car has no plates and no fenders

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I don't believe anybody was talking about cheating on the plates.  There is also a difference how the vehicle is used.  A truck that is on the road all day every day in all kinds of weather might need to meet fender laws.  Most guys driving a hot rod will never take it out in the rain and therefore are given a bit of slack when it comes to fenders.  I think the mechanic might also think the same way.  You still have to make your case.  I know cuddles is not trying to take advantage of knowing his mechanic, he just wants to have a hot rod like thousands of others already cruising our streets.  This is supposed to be a hot rod site where people with similar interests can come together and ask legitimate questions of owners of similar vehicles.  His car has door handles, he has made sure brakes and steering meet the most stringent levels, the body has no perforations and in the spirit of the sport, he is having fun.  So let's chill out and in the spirit of the question, those who have built something similar, just answer him.  Oh yes, I just met him and went to his home to see his build.

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Cuddles wrote:

Hello:  I am wondering if anyone here has a list of what is required to pass a safety for a 1929 model 'A'?  It is my understanding that the regulations current in 1929 still apply to my vehicle but I don't know what they are.  I'd like to know BEFORE I take the car in for a safety so that it is well prepared to pass inspection.  Thank you


 

 

Here is the list you requested ... http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/trucks/pdfs/passenger-light-duty-vehicle-inspection-standard.pdf

 

According to the above list ... fenders, bumpers and door handles ARE required in order to get a car certified here in Ontario.  I am aware that Cuddles does have door handles, I am just pointing this out as I do not see door handles on Iron Horses car.

 

Fender/mud guard : "A mudguard is required surrounding every wheel, where the full width of the tire is not enclosed by a body element, such as a fender.  Fail if  fender or mudguard is broken, has insecure mounting, is loose or missing".

Bumpers : "Bumpers are required on the front and rear of passenger cars, mini-vans or SUVs as well as on the front of trucks. Rear bumpers are required if originally equipped on a truck, unless removed to facilitate the installation of other equipment.  Fail if - missing, modified, inferior to original OEM design (width, size, structural integrity) or incorrect for the vehicle".

Door openers and handles :  "fail if - broken, inoperative or missing".  

 

EVERY mechanic in Ontario has the right and you could also argue 'the legal obligation' to fail any car for just one of these examples listed above.  As I stated, you need to find a mechanic willing to overlook quite a few items, your best bet would be to contact Wuga and ask him who certified his car.  Regarding "fair weather only" vehicles not needing certain items ... I see no mention of this when determining whether or not a car is certifiable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 




 






-- Edited by Pete Moss on Thursday 10th of May 2018 09:04:27 AM



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Pete Moss, you are the Ground Pounder of negativity.

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Regarding "fair weather only" vehicles not needing certain items ... I see no mention of this when determining whether or not a car is certifiable.

it's not so much about fair weather but rocks and debris on the road being flung into the air at traffic and people who may be hit by it
-thus being "safe"


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DJD wrote:

Regarding "fair weather only" vehicles not needing certain items ... I see no mention of this when determining whether or not a car is certifiable.

it's not so much about fair weather but rocks and debris on the road being flung into the air at traffic and people who may be hit by it
-thus being "safe"


 

 

You are absolutely correct, I was just repeating the "fair weather" comment.  

I believe it was called "road spray" which can certainly include gravel etc, not just wet roads.



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wuga wrote:

Pete Moss, you are the Ground Pounder of negativity.

Warren


 

The three examples I posted were taken directly from the 'passenger - light duty - vehicle inspection standards for Ontario' AND I specifically answered the original posters question as these items ARE NEEDED for a LEGAL certification ... which is why, many posts ago, I suggested Cuddles speak with owners of similar vehicles to his in hopes of getting in contact with a mechanic willing to take a risk and certify a vehicle that clearly DOES NOT meet current standards.

 

As that green car sits now, regardless of whether or not it is currently titled and insured and apparently driven ... it would NOT pass a legitimate certification inspection. 

 

 

 

Is it that time of the month again?

 

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There is hardly a hot rod in the nation that would pass a strict safety but since they are driven so little and very seldom in inclement weather, they are deemed safe by the thousands of mechanics across the country who do the inspections. The reason we have this site and others like it is to help and support our fellow builders and rodders in a positive manner. We have all read the book and know how to get our Camry passed, but these are not a Camry. If you don't like what we are doing here, why participate unless it is to lurk and find fault.

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Wasn't this the original question, "requirements for a safety on a 1929 Model 'A' "?
The information given is exactly what he was asking, good or bad. Too many people getting butt hurt hearing the truth because they don't want to hear that their car is not legal. Like Pete Moss said, that green car probably has a dozen violations that break the rules. Whether those rules are being enforced or not is another discussion. You will however find out pretty quick if your ride is legal or not if you're ever involved in an "at fault" accident. This hobby is not like it was 25 years ago, and unfortunately half the battle of building cars is getting through the legal crap. Times have changed.

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wuga wrote:

There is hardly a hot rod in the nation that would pass a strict safety but since they are driven so little and very seldom in inclement weather, they are deemed safe by the thousands of mechanics across the country who do the inspections. 


 

 

That make sense smile  

 

Sorry but I just love getting you riled up as you're just so cute when you're flying off the handle biggrin

I don't say this to men often but I think I may be falling for you biggrin 

Nudge nudge, wink wink, hint hint wink

 

 

 

Now let's target Cuddles for asking such a stupid question in the first place shall we ... can't let him get away with something that dumb without giving him the gears too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now, where is that damned IGNORE button?  Ah, there it is ... GOOD BYE Grandmaster Wuga 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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