Why is it that when folks have a clone or tribute car they seem to think it is worth what the original is worth? I ask myself this question every time I see an add on Kijiji or simalar sites. I also know that most owners spent quite a bit to clone a car but it still doesnt make it original. I know I wouldn't pay the price most are asking but hey I am just saying.
I'm with you on that, although I love seeing the cars, it's still not the same. I do have to add, that their love and dedication to cars to take it to that state is admirable. It probably cost more money and took more time to make it a clone.
I get what you are saying too. But they are still clones. I go the other way to do Kustoms and sometimes I over spend getting there. I would imagine there would be some that would question what I do too.
either the clone is over price or may be the original is under .......................but the asking price don t mean much ..........will they sell if there overprice ? the price of the restoration is the same clone or original .............on real low production car there s a big difference in the selling price.............if i take my Nova and make and ss drop a big block there so many around that the price of the original or clone is pretty near the same.....................i have a bigger problem if someone don t say it is fake and try to sell it as a real one ................
the clone all depends on what the cloner is claiming. for example, some years ago me and my friends were at sterling and this posuer who had his truck dressed up in pretty much every ebay bolt on part with blue jean material and traffic signs for door panels bragged to us about tearing down this girl he met who had a dale ernhart lumina of which she was under the impression was a genuine ernhart car, turns out the car was not the real thing but this guy decided to tear her down and ruin whatever belief she had in this car. i thought it was pretty low of this guy to shatter her dream, he didnt know any of the facts, maybe she got suckered when she bought the car. all im sayin is dont play the game if you dont have the facts, but also, dont rush to judge if you dont know the facts and assume you do. its like buying a small block on the floor, always run the block numbers.
while i was just searching example of Nova clones price and original i found a strange ad as 69 ssNova 427 show car like for 60,000.00 .................and i found this cheaper clone a 1971 ss Nova for 40,000.00...........same 427 ..............no not only this guy is saying is car is a clone ......admitting .............but a ss clone of what ? anybody who read s about a Nova in 71 all big block Nova didn t even exist.............350 was the biggest engine available in 71 Nova now that is a real fake
the clone all depends on what the cloner is claiming. for example, some years ago me and my friends were at sterling and this posuer who had his truck dressed up in pretty much every ebay bolt on part with blue jean material and traffic signs for door panels bragged to us about tearing down this girl he met who had a dale ernhart lumina of which she was under the impression was a genuine ernhart car, turns out the car was not the real thing but this guy decided to tear her down and ruin whatever belief she had in this car. i thought it was pretty low of this guy to shatter her dream, he didnt know any of the facts, maybe she got suckered when she bought the car. all im sayin is dont play the game if you dont have the facts, but also, dont rush to judge if you dont know the facts and assume you do. its like buying a small block on the floor, always run the block numbers.
I would have to agree with you. I am not here to judge or dis-credit anyone. Just curious when I see the adds. And as flatduck says about clone cars that never were. It is a shame that there are naive first time buyers that sometimes get false impressions from a vendor.
I remember seeing a Hemi Cuda at Weston/Finch years ago. Totally stock "clone" of Hemi car with a ton of factory options added. I was not interested in it, I lost respect for it as soon as I heard it was not a Hemi car from the factory. Over the years I have changed my view on "clones" ... I realized that the only thing separating this Cuda from a real Hemi Cuda was some numbers on a tag. That's it, just numbers on a tag. If I am not a true collector, and just want a Hemi Cuda to drive and enjoy ... who cares about a couple of numbers on a tag.
As for the prices of a "clone" being not far of an original ... some of these clones are extremely well done, and that includes correct date codes on everything (rear ends, alternators, distributors etc) ... all of this stuff costs money to find and rebuild. By the time you have spent cash on purchasing a rust free southern shell, locating and building a date correct Hemi, 4-gear, Dana 60, body/paint, a real shaker hood (not one of the eBay repops), correct shifter, radio, interior etc etc it can add up to HUGE in no time at all.
If someone wants a beautiful Hemi Cuda similar to what they had in high school (or whenever) and wouldn't feel right buying a true numbers matching vehicle and driving the wheels off it, then a clone can be the way to go. Doing a car "right" costs a LOT of money, so it stands to reason that a clone (correctly done and done well) will cost a lot of money to buy.
I get what everyone here is saying. In the real world of collectors you know the guys that buy at Barret for instance, if there was a clone or the factory original which would fetch the highest dollar. Like Rusty Nut said done and done well. Is it the numbers on the vin tag that now make the difference? I could see building a tribute car which would bring back fond memories. I just thought that they would never be worth what the factory original would be.
How about fibreglas '32 Ford roadsters, now there's a pile of clones if I ever saw one. Don't get me going on kit cars either. Every car built is a kit car, one way or another.
exactley modfather, some people out there try to mislead people and pass clones as the real thing, some people have no idea what they have might not be legit, it goes both ways
Try doing appraisals on cars. I have had guys tell me that there car is "so rare", an SS car (when it is not), or that it is worth "this much money". I told a few guys over the years that there cars weren't real when they thought that they were. They weren't happy with me. Sorry, can't appraise something and tell a lie. Had a guy tell me one time that his car was seen by Jay Leno and was on Jay Leno's site. Well it was on Jay Leno's web site but it wasn't worth what the guy said it was. He wanted to tell me what to appraise it at. I told him he better find another appraiser. People are sure funny about their cars. The market is what sets the price on a car. As much as I enjoy watching Barrett Jackson, that is a different world......not our world.
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Really depends on the car and the market. I see Shelby Mustang clones all the time where a guy builds it dead nuts correct and wants 25-30K which IMO is not a bad price for any Mustang built that nicely. The later cars have a lot of expensive unique glass body parts too. Real Shelbys hover in the 100K ++++++ depending on year and equipment.
Mopars seem to suffer the nutty price clone phenomenom more IMO. Get a slant six Challenger and drop a Hemi in it and look out kookie prices ensue.
A Mopar buddy of mine gripes at me and my cheap Mustang parts! LOL!
B-J is not helping the situation either
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Actually -Barret Jackson is a good barometer of collector car values-sadly the bread and butter cars don't get the TV coverage-so everyone that ever owned a (insert your favorite muscle car here) thinks their car is worth the same as the one-of car that just brought 6 figures on BJ
Take the time to go through the complete action results after a BJ auction and the "average Camaros,T-Birds,Chevelles,Mustangs,etc, sell fot what the market will bear.
As far as Clones go-I've seen some dandy's ..and when done right-I think they're just as nice as the real deal-and more likely to be seen on the street.
If you were going to convert your retirement fund to rolling stock-and were concerned about growth in your investment portfolio..I would stay with the real deal..if you can afford it.
I dont care what the car is the onus is on the buyer to know what they are buying.Stupid people buying there dreams with out proper knowledge have there own stupidity to blame. INVESTMENT CARS SUCK. Give me a fun street driven car any day. I like the old days when building a hot rod devalued the car there were more gear heads in the hobbie and less uptight money morons.
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I dont care what the car is the onus is on the buyer to know what they are buying.Stupid people buying there dreams with out proper knowledge have there own stupidity to blame. INVESTMENT CARS SUCK. Give me a fun street driven car any day. I like the old days when building a hot rod devalued the car there were more gear heads in the hobbie and less uptight money morons.
Can't AGREE more on give me a fun car & as my signature say's 'If I can't drive it" your last line reminded me of way back when a fellow car club member bought a Model A 5 window coupe in "Mint" shape, & had to "promise" not to Rod" it, to the seller. About 8 mths later the former owner dropped into our club to see how the "resto" was coming!!! There sat the "A" SBC with 2X4 carbs, 4spd trans,boxed frame,headers & late model. rear end. Thought the guy was going to have a "STROKE"
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thats interesting dualquad, it reminds me of a situation i buddy of mine got himself into, he bought a 36 chevy car off some old guy but the guy wanted my buddy to work on the car at his place, even after my bud paid for the car, this guy made him wait for the title of the car, it was a weird deal, the guy even was trying to dictate how my buddy should build the car. well my buddy got discouraged and didnt go back for about a month, well the guy died and his family tried to scam my buddy out of the car, even though he had a receipt of sale, my buddy had to show up with the OPP and they made the family hand over the car. i was there when we picked up the car and the guys two sons were accusing us of stealing the car and even threatened us, right in front of the cops even! the cops told the family to go in the house or they would be arrested, so things worked out eventually. what a weird deal.
Im trying to remember when i read about this exact issue with clones in one of the mags back in the late 80s. The aftermarket produced so many parts that there were a whole bunch of non legit cars being sold. The FBI was soon involved and some of these sellers got into hot water with there claims. The legality of course is called (fraud) and some buyers were getting screwed on there purchases. The bottom line is buyer beware and research your intrest car before handing a wad of cash over to these guys, it still happens. The car hobby for the most part is awesome but the lure of the buck is still there.
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Meh....a clone can be driven were as you don`t want to be the fool who drives 1 of 18 Hemi Cuda Convertables....and ruins a piece of history....Thats why a great clone can be fun car that is worth alot of money.
this is a dilemma some friends of mine went thru a few yrs back . had a 68 , 69 or 70 ????? its a nova , no one really cares , big block car with a load of options . but body was rotten . I mean like when you pick up an old coke can u see laying out , an it just crumbles when u pick it up . Yea that rotten , now the dilemma , he,s always wanted to fix it , to start on it , but if he brings up a southern rust free shell or buys an Acorn ??? body shell . Its no longer original and is now a clone or fake even tho it might have the original body tags an ownership and his uncle was original owner . I don't mind people building clones , just as long as they don't try to pass it off as orig upon sale ..77.
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I was in Home Depot a couple of weeks ago and saw Ryan, the husband of a woman my wife works with. I started towards him to say hi and "Ryan" looked right at me as I was walking over ... there wasn't even a flicker of recognition on his face . I kinda thought "hey, maybe that isn't actually Ryan" so I continued on past without saying anything. I found out later that it couldn't have been Ryan as he was at work in Toronto that time/day. I can't help but wonder if the guy I saw was a clone ... stranger things have happened.
(I guess it's possible Ryan skipped work that day without telling the wife and the reason he didn't recognize me is he's only ever met me when I was dressed in mens clothing )
Maybe he just doesn't like you and was hoping you wouldn't recognize him
. I kinda thought "hey, maybe that isn't actually Ryan" so I continued on past without saying anything. I found out later that it couldn't have been Ryan as he was at work in Toronto that time/day. I can't help but wonder if the guy I saw was a clone 
... stranger things have happened.
