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I really appreciate everyone's enthusiasm on Rhythm's project thread ...even though it's not a traditional custom or hot rod.  Thanks very much.

A new custom car is in the works.  Same as the first vehicle, it's something that both my dad and I are involved with...I wouldn't have it any other way.  Also, by sharing this project I was hoping in some small way it'll help someone with their build project.  I'm no expert or metal master, but if anyone has any questions feel free to ask.

The Idea

Rhythm was in the final stages of assembly and as crazy as it sounds in the back of my mind I found myself already tossing around the idea of creating a second mid-engine vehicle. However, taking into account what had been learned over the course of the building Rhythm, I decided that if and when this new project began, fabrication would have to be approached from an entirely different perspective.

You may have previously seen that Rhythm’s body was essentially hammered and dollied out entirely by hand. While this sounds impressive and taught me how sheet metal behaves, it was immensely time consuming – not something I wanted to repeat. So an English wheel would have to be bought or built to help in creating the panels. I decided to build one. Also, with the next one, a fixture would have to be developed to not only provide a base for shaping the body panels, but to also ensure higher fabrication tolerances. These fixtures are usually referred to as bucks and can be created many ways including carving a full-scale shape out of foam or building a wooden buck. To meet our requirements we decided to create a wire frame buck. This buck would provide the flexibility to alter particular aspects of the design features relatively easily if it was ever necessary. To ensure that the buck was always square and remained true during the sheet metal shaping process an extremely rigid frame table was necessary. I dislike doing things over again, so the frame table was designed and built in such a way that it was fully adjustable in all 3 planes and to not only work for this project but for others as well.

Design Overview

Starting out as a fresh sheet of paper design, ‘the next one’ loosely resembles Rhythm. Simply called R2, the lines have been re-proportioned and tightened up resulting in a modern aggressive appearance. Since it’s being built as a driver, we want a final fit and finish that only a metal body can provide. An LS6/LS7 engine mated to a Porsche G50 transmission called for a redesign of the chassis for increased rigidity as well. Rolling on 275/35/R18s in the front & 315/30/R19s rear R2 is 28” shorter, 6” narrower, and a little over 900lbs lighter for a total weight of about 2800lbs. The final horsepower to weight ratio is expected to come in around 6lb/HP making it a blast to drive.

Creating the Wire Frame Buck

Once R2’s final design was established and renderings completed, 2-dimensional construction drawings were created. These were taken to a print shop and scaled to full size side, top, front & rear views and posted on a  ‘build board’. Then the exciting part began. To create the wire frame buck, the wheelbase, engine/transmission, seating position, and front windscreen locations were set using sliding jigs on the frame table based on design dimensions from a common datum point. Construction of the wire frame buck began by simultaneously working with four drawings and translating reference dimensions from the ‘build board’ into 3D and 'stump shaping' steel rods, square-stock, and flarbar to match the appropriate feature curves.

Initial 20 minute mockup... I grabbed some parts from storage to get an idea of the new proportions. Ahh.. no worries, those won't be the final wheels...


We're into the thick of it with the fabrication of the wire frame buck. The various lengths of box tubing were fabricated to slide along the frame table, then lock into place at set positions. Other lengths were tacked to them.


To make room for another job, R2 is rolled out of the bay and covered up. At this point, with most of the wire frame completed, the tarp actually created a temporary surface on the buck and outlined some of the body lines.


Just to clarify, the wire frame is a temporary structure. Once all the inner & outer panels have been created it will be removed and all the panels re-assembled on their own.

Thanks for looking. smile



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Since these progress photos are going back a few years gonna try to catch them up over the next few days...

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Kool!!

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With the car's buck back in the shop we're starting to fabricate body panels. In regards to the hood, hatch, and door openings independent wire frame sections were created and bolted into the holes. Decided to start with the more straight forward structural sheet metal components that will support the exterior sheet metal skin.



Templates are created from drawings, dimensions and the wire frame. Since everything is identical from side to side - only revered... ie. rockers, inner wheel wells, A-Pillars, etc only one template is created and then transposed onto the sheet metal. Depending on the what structural components are being created we're running with 18GA & 22 GA



This is the rocker cover after being transposed from the template with the interior lip created after being run though the tipping wheel...with a soft lower wheel.



The blue line indicates the second exterior bend of the door seal step. The first exterior bend is 11/16" to the left of the blue line...one down and one up.. as per the shape needed.



Then using a shrinker/stretcher, the lips are stretched and shrunk to create the appropriate curvatures. Doing this a series of times and putting the different pieces together gives you this...



Here's a shot of the driver and passenger side door openings. With the wire door frame sections removed, the almost complete jam perimeter panels have been temporarily 'pinned' into place on the buck.

The beginnings of the rear cab wall. Pieces are laid out on the sheet metal in such a way as to reduce waste, yet created as large as possible to eliminate fitting and welding multiple pieces together.



Rear wall with final forming complete. The beads put in with the bead roller before the ends were rolled over.



Rear wall temporarily pinned into place with some self drilling self tapping metal screws to the jams and floor pans which were created earlier. This method allows the piece to be removed if necessary for tweaking. An old seat thrown in to add some perspective inside the cab.



Creating the drivers side scoop for ducting air into the rads. Once the desired shape is attained with cardboard, it's translated onto sheet metal.



Completed drivers side scoop shaped, welded and installed. The flange will be incorporated and fixed to the engine compartment's interior panels later.

Thanks for looking! smile



-- Edited by invision on Thursday 12th of July 2012 08:39:06 AM

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Thanks Seeker!

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mmm hmmm, that would be like the edelbrock 460 heads that were identical to my cast 460 heads i posted all over the internet a couple years prior to the debut of those aluminum chunks they sell...and same for the Ford/Kasse heads - I was there first..  good luck with any kinda lawsuit unless you have unlimited pockets



-- Edited by Seeker1056 on Thursday 12th of July 2012 11:11:09 PM



-- Edited by Seeker1056 on Thursday 12th of July 2012 11:28:44 PM

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hey invision i just saw a ford concept car on the web that suspiciousley resembles your car, you better have a look, perhaps a juicy lawsuit in your favour



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fatstax wrote:

hey invision i just saw a ford concept car on the web that suspiciousley resembles your car, you better have a look, perhaps a juicy lawsuit in your favour


Hey fastax, which ford car would you be referring to?  Although I'm curious, as seeker pointed out chasing them in hopes of a a lawsuit will be like doing a burnout on ice.  no  Final drawings/renderings have been completed, but in reflection to your concern I haven't posted them online.

Anyway, my thoughts in sharing this project are to either inspire someone to tackle something they've been dreaming to build or to share some tips in metal shaping with the members here...maybe both.  If someone sees something feel free to ask how I made so that you can apply the technique to your custom car build.



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i cant recall exactley where i saw it but it has very similiar lines to your car, same colour too



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I'm going to be watching this thread really closely - I totally dig custom/scratch built projects!!

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ahh metal shaping - my dream - but need a mentor

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Thanks Gents!



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Starting fabrication on the rear hatch's inner structure.



Taillight housing pieces...from paper to metal.



Taillight housing formed and welded up. Temporarily tacked into place.

Working on my tan with that great little arc...while welding together the front moisture trough.





Once the front trough pieces were created they were tacked together.



Carefully controlling the metal in the heat affected zone(HAZ) while welding the front trough to eliminate warpage.







Tipping one of the flanges on the wiper mechanism cover.



Using the foot actuated shrinker/stretcher I built used Triumph TR7 clutch & brake pedals to actuate the heads, the curve created after tipping up the flange is straightened on the cover.



With the pieces installed...it's slowly shaping up.



Rear hatch perimeter complete.

As a little side note, after completing the front moisture trough...I wasn't happy with the way it looked. So it was redone.

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Nick, looks like another great project. Thanks for taking the time to share.................

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Nick, you are one crazy skilled individual.biggrinbiggrinbiggrin Love seeing your work and especially your creativity.thumbsup.gif Great job!!!!



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DavyJ wrote:

Nick, looks like another great project. Thanks for taking the time to share.................


 

OldGuy 71Acadian wrote:

Nick, you are one crazy skilled individual.biggrinbiggrinbiggrin Love seeing your work and especially your creativity.thumbsup.gif Great job!!!!


 

Thanks guys! smilesmile  Really appreciate you guys following along and the thumbs up.

 

OldGuy - me crazy skilled?  nah!! just plain crazy. 


Just got back from camping at KillBear Ontario Park...and procrastinating a little by catching up here on the site.  Go away for a few days and all kinds of great discussions going on.  Guess I should get back at it and finish cleaning out the truck...



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Work on the vehicle's substructure continues...



Once the rear cab wall was fabricated and located the rear cab mounts were created. Since these will be supporting a little more than 50% of the cab's weight, they have to be tied into the sub structure really well.



D/S front kick panel being measured up....



... fabricated and installed. Ran with same gauge as the cab mounts since this area will also be supporting the cab and door hinges.



Horizontal DOM impact/support beam mocked up.

After temporarily pinning these panels in place work on the doors began...



Inner door shells tacked together. Exterior skins will be created later and then hemmed over the perimeter flanges.



Inner door shell gapped and mocked up. They need to be tweaked a bit yet for the seals to fit correctly. Access and mount holes will be created once impact beams, latch and hinge mounts have been fabricated.

Once the engine compartment opening was determined and the moisture trough surround created, fabrication on the hatch's substructure began. Profiles of the perimeter areas were created and dimensions were transposed onto sheet metal. Then the fun part came next...actually forming the sheet metal.


Here, after the pieces were formed, the hatch sections are being fitted together and prepped for scribing.


A section of the substructure is dropped into the opening for the initial fit.


Substructure welded together and approaching completion. Flipped over for some hammer and dollie work.


Hatch tacked to the wire frame buck for some additional pieces to be completed. Still need to do some hammer and dollie work to even out the HAZ.



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Wow.... just amazing! Great work! If I win the lottery I'm getting you to build me a custom super car lol

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Adslow65 wrote:

Wow.... just amazing! Great work! If I win the lottery I'm getting you to build me a custom super car lol


 Thanks Adslow65! biggrin 

 

I really enjoy metal shaping and building/customizing vehicles.  As for R2, it can be compared to a hot rod build with a sports car body. wink



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Moving onto the rear of the vehicle now. While some pieces were already created, such as the wheel tubs and scoops, structural pieces needed to be fabricated. After the templates are produced they are laid out to best utilize the sheet metal.


A picture of one of the channel box member pieces. The shapes of some of these pieces get a little interesting at times.


Pieces, pieces and more pieces...


Rear sub-structure have been almost completed and mocked up. The rear wheels will take up most of the space in the wheel well hole.


Now the pieces need to be tweaked, mated and welded to one another.

For this next part I want to keep 'detail shots' of the actual hinge and pivot in my back pocket...at least for now. However, here are a few pictures of the door shell integrated with the impact beam structure which itself connects the pivot to the latch area.

After the inner door shells were spaced and mounted into the openings work on the hinges and impact beams could begin. That 1/4" rod at the top is only temp...holding the shell correctly spaced within the opening.



The plan was to create a hollow hinge so that the door's control wires could pass through leaving a clean jam perimeter. The second challenge was to have the doors open diagonally upwards (butterfly) through the use of a single pivot pin. Here's the door opening for the first time on the new hinge...will it work?



Success! The door swings up as designed. Now to install some cylinders to make the swing effortless. Open 3/4's of the way already provides sufficient space to get into the vehicle comfortably. The door can now be finalized with the installation of the latch, window frame, glass and handles...later on.



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This would be such a cool project to work on!! Nice to see stuff like this is being built north of the border.
I'm curious as to how you're planning to prime the body once it's done? With all the intricate folds and cavities this car needs to be dipped.

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this project is looking amazing so far!!

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Thanks guys! :) You're welcome to drop by if you guys visit the Niagara Falls area. Just shoot me an email ahead of time.

Hemi43, in regards to your question prior to installing the skin, the plan is to prime the body structure once it has all been welded together then seam seal all the joints. At this point the exterior panels will be primed on the inside...installed and finally the whole body primed again. It would be the cat's meow to have the body dipped, but I'm not aware of any shops around here who do this on such a large scale. Any suggestions?

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I've had a body dipped in nitric acid for rust removal, but not primer. I know in the US dip priming is available, but never looked into it. I had my car dipped at Technostrip located just north of Toronto, and they may know where it can be done. When it came time to prime my car, I used hypodermic needles to inject epoxy primer into tight to reach areas, and let the epoxy wick into pinch welds.

 If I'm ever in the area I'd love to see your shop. I went to a metal forming course with Ron Covell a few years ago and would love put some of the skills he taught me on a large scale project. Maybe someday !!



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Thanks Hemi. I've heard of Technostrip and their restoration service. Will see if they can recommend anyone when I get a moment. As for getting epoxy to wick into the seams I normally thin it out somewhat then shoot the seams first which has worked fairly well. There's still quite a bit of work ahead of me before I reach that stage of body prep so I still have some time to do some more research.

By the way, great avatar!

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Firewall located and installed. The centre section which was temporarily removed needs to be trimmed before going back in.


A view of how the inner fender protrudes into the cab. The frame will shoot diagonally past the front of the hole you see under the inner fender


Inner front fender mocked up for the first time after being created by the english wheel. A little tweaking here and there will have it sitting where it needs to be. Now onto the other one...only in reverse!


Fabricating the seat rail supports.

Some work on the rear fascia as well as the roof support hoop.

Cardboard/pressed paper gets used a lot around our builds. Every piece is mocked up in cardboard first...then transposed onto sheet metal. Could probably build 1/2 of R2 if I wanted to :P

Rear exhaust scoop mocked up with cardboard.


Slip roll used to create the sheet metal inside piece for the rear exhaust scoop.


More structural supports for the body...in this case the roof. There's one of my first slappers...its a brute... but moves 18ga sheet metal around nice.


Inner rear hoop for the cab's roof completed. Once installed it will tie the roof sub-structure into the rear wall and floor.

So here go the front inners. It's deceiving how much sheet metal these eat up out of a 4'x8' sheet.

What started as an almost straight piece of sheet metal had a lip created in the tipping wheel and now having this lip shrunk to create the curvature for the drivers side inner front fender splash. ... that was a mouth full.

A particular inner profile was required to create exterior joint that won't trap moisture down the line.


... and the shrinking continues...


... and some more... The distortion isn't an issue at the moment as it can easily be cleaned up later.


... almost there...tweaking the shape here and there to finalize the curvature.


Inner fender splash formed into a nice curve. Now just need to smooth out all the shrinking ripples and fit it into the vehicle.


Using the wheel to touch up the new piece. Then onto the other one...only in reverse.

 



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You should donate that punch press (to me) and that will give you some room for a Pullmax.

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Hah! :D Yeah... that punch press is a beast. Unfortunately, it's my dad's so as much as I could use the extra spacehe's not in any hurry to get of it. The size is deceiving - it's only 80ton with a 3" stroke...limiting it's application use. Way back ... many moons ago before I built the wheel you see in the photos I retrofitted the punch press into an english wheel with a set of arms and used the manual screw adjustment to increase/decrease pressure between the anvils.


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Yeah, just as well !! My neighbours would be pissed if I started stamping parts out in my garage. LOL

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Had a few minutes again this morning to try and catch this thread up to where my project currently sits... At the present time I'm finalizing the plugs to create interior molds so that fiberglass pices can be made.  Looking back, I'm in a way missing the metal shaping.

Anyway, getting on with the build.  Got ahead of myself and ended up rolling the P/S before taking a picture of how it started. So here is the flat D/S piece(left) next to the completed P/S piece(right). After cutting them out of 22Ga sheet metal with two different arcs extrapolated from an imaginary cone within the front compartment, the longitudinal edges had a quick pass though the shrinker prior to rolling in the wheel.


Here we are starting the wheeling process for the drivers' side inner fender. In the background you can just see the template box getting fatter.


After only a few longitudinal passes the piece is starting to get some curvature. At this point I switched to about a 60*-70* diagonal wheeling pattern in order to speed up the rate of rise. Sorry no photos of this stage, but you can just make out the marks on the passenger side comparison piece on the right. I wasn't too concerned about initial wheeling marks since the piece had a ways to go and would be smoothed out with a lower anvil that closer matched the curvature later on the diagonal passes. The completed passenger side piece provides a visual comparison of the shape we need to attain.


Front inner fenders complete and temporarily installed with some self drilling/self tapping #8's. The moisture trough has yet to be redone... After finishing this version, I wasn't happy with the narrowness along the sides. You'll see what I mean when I post photos of the new trough later.

Here are a few snap shots of fab work being done on the rear hatch structure.

Creating the rear hatch's vent areas.


Filling in corners. Once the pieces have been fit and welded into place the seams will be tapped out, ground and finished to appear as though the rear structure was fabricated as one piece with no joints... at least that's the plan.


'Hammering' out the rear hatch's substructure. Looking from the inside out, vents have been created to facilitate more effective cooling.


A few more pieces to go yet...then onto the top skin.

More progress on the rear hatch ... the outer skin this time. At this point I'm not too worried that the pieces don't fit exactly to each other...that will come. Once the momentum is set for shaping the pieces to the buck, one side is done followed by the other side. That way I don't forget a particular sequence taken to create the panels.

Starting with D/S the sail panel.

Fitting it into place, the sail panel inner piece flat horizontal surface will be bent down into the vent area with the end bent to close in the end - trimmed where required - then hemmed




Fitting up the sail panel outer pieces.


Creating the front pieces for the rear deck.



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Here's some work done on the front fascia/headlight surrounds.


First a quick flexible pattern was created of the headlight bucket area using some masking tape. It's then removed from the wireframe buck and transferred to pressed cardboard where an appropriate cut and bends were made. Here are the two together to confirm the final shape.


The template was transferred to sheet metal which was then cut out with some excess added to the perimeter. Used the slapper and dollie to clean up the waves around the edges caused by the shear.


The piece is taking shape. The initial shape was created using the tipping wheel. After some perimeter shrinking was completed excess material was trimmed away. The top as well as the bottom areas needed to be torch shrunk and finally planished to create the vertical accent . At this point I was preparing to weld up the joint, grind, and take a soft abrasive disk to take care of the HAZ areas.

Unfortunately, I forgot to take a photo of the final result. You'll have an opportunity to see it later on in other photos as to how it came out.



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Moving on with the front fascia.


Initial layout out of the grill's centre bar. Piece is clamped and the rear surface is about to be scribed.


Shrinking down the material to create the required curvature. This slow process resulted in some deformation of the surfaces - too much material having no where to go.


In order to eliminate the buckling, the torch is used to heat the affected area. Then while still hot, the area is quenched with a wet rag. This increases the curvature a little more than necessary, but when the piece is planished it should end up close to what we need.


After some hammer and dollie work the piece is fitted ... not too bad for the first time. However, some additional shrinking needs to be done as the curvature isn't just right yet.



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Unnnnbelievable. Very nice work. Keep it coming. You're one clever bugger-talented too.

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nice bit of progress considering how hot the summer has been...................great stuff!

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After most of the structural components were completed ... the stuff no one sees once the car is complete...it was time to start on the exterior panels.

Here go the door skins.


The beginnings of the upper door skin. Using the wire frame buck as a jig, the concavity in the sheet metal is shaped using the e-wheel followed by the tipping wheel to run in the features and then fit to the established profile.


A combination of English wheeling, tipping, and hand tweaking gets the panel closer with every pass.


Passenger top door section done! Now the edges need to be hemmed, but not before the upper area is fit and welded to the lower section. The process in making this panel with multiple reverse and convex curves as a single piece really got to a be a head scratcher.

Initially, due to the reverse curves, I had planned to make what your see there out of 4 pieces. That meant an additional 80" of welding, hammer/dollie work, and finishing. Starting from the middle and working outwards with a little pinch of patience and some metal shaping black magic...we pulled it off in one.


Door panels shaped and mocked up on the wire frame. Now the fun begins to trim and weld the two together and hem the edges over the door buck.

Both sides of the vehicle are being run in parallel...that's the beauty of having built a wire frame buck to use as the guide. You can just barely make out the wire frame for the door under the skin on the left side of the panels.

A few things are running in parallel...depending on my mood and whether additional hands are at hand.


Fabricating the side scoops. A few passes in the wheel to develop the feature. Next thing to do is tip the leading(left side of panel) edge.


The first piece of the roof's substructure is underway....but can't be completed till the front windscreen surround is in place. Using 18Ga material for this area. The skateboard wheel in the tipping machine gives a nice smooth finish on all the curved bends.


Once the windscreen surround was finalized with a 3/16" gap around the glass the remaining structural components for the roof were created.


With the help of my Dad on the other side of the wheel to support the sheet, we rolled the rear hatch's dove tail area. This completes all the upper pieces for the rear hatch. Now time to glue them together somehow ...

While we're in the stage of creating the panels we only focus on shaping, not really stopping to start scribing/fitting/welding the pieces together. That will come later.



-- Edited by invision on Thursday 30th of August 2012 08:30:29 AM

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When my dad and I were building the body for Rhythm - specifically the upper rear 1/4's, due to tool limitations, they were created from 5 pieces. And there was nothing wrong with that. But, creating, fitting the pieces to each other and welding them was a really tedious process.

Since we built the English wheel, I've had some practice making pieces for R2 and other projects. The thought crossed my mind about making the upper 1/4's for R2 as one long piece to eliminate some welding. However, the thought was a bit intimidating. Reason why?... the 1/4 had 3 reverse curves - one for the fender flair, one on top to accentuate the taillight and one for the dove tail. You'll see what I mean in the photos below.

So here it goes.

Interchanging the upper wheel with a rubber wheel provided a consistent initial roll. Placing the panel on the buck shows just how much more curvature the 1/4 panel requires.


Switching back to the hard upper wheel and moving some metal fast. I'm not worried about the tracking marks as they'll soon be smoothed out. The tracking pattern can be seen throughout the panel ... the ends are starting to curve downwards.


After some rolling, the 1/4 panel is starting to take on a nice shape. But we have a little ways to go yet...


Most of the tracks have been smoothed ... the next step is to create the fender flair(reverse curve #1) and the tail light feature.


After putting in the fender flair, the panel needed some more material to make the reverse curve 'right'...meant some more wheeling...


The reversed curve fender flair is coming in nicely, but we've lost some curvature in the horizontal plane...so a few more passes in the wheel to bring it back in before moving onto the taillight feature(reverse curve #2)


1/4 Panel almost there...a tweak here and a tweak there...then onto the other side. You can just make out the taillight feature and the dip(reverse curve #2) on the top. When the panel has the right shape it should sit there without forcing it down with clamps.


Here is the 1/4 panel for the other side being fit to the buck...some more wheeling is still required to get the centre up/ends down...can't just depend on the squeeze clamps.

Thanks for checking out the build.



-- Edited by invision on Thursday 30th of August 2012 08:30:57 AM

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Chris58 wrote:

Unnnnbelievable. Very nice work. Keep it coming. You're one clever bugger-talented too.


 Thanks for the kind words Chris! smile  It's about mileage and paying attention to what is happening to the metal.

 

DavyJ wrote:

nice bit of progress considering how hot the summer has been...................great stuff!


Much appreciated DavyJ.  With every opportunity I get I'm trying to catch the build progress up for the members of Ontario Rodders.  These pictures were taken around the latter part of last year.(notice the sweatshirt) My facebook page has the most recent stuff, but not everyone likes or uses it.  Anyway, interacting with you the members on this site is much more fun.



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I have had over the years a lot of patience with some of the projects I've done, but this is beyond what I would take on. I don't usually give out too many compliments, but my hat goes off to you. Hope to see your project in person one day.

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hemi43 wrote:

I have had over the years a lot of patience with some of the projects I've done, but this is beyond what I would take on. I don't usually give out too many compliments, but my hat goes off to you. Hope to see your project in person one day.


 Thanks very much for the thumbs up Hemi!  You're absolutely right.  This undertaking is ton of work, but it's passionate work which somehow in my unstable mind makes it fun.  As Rhythm's(the first scratch built car) build was coming to an end my Dad asked me if I would do it again. The answer was a point blank 'No'.  Rhythm was a very long, hammer and dollie intensive learning project.  However, even though I exclaimed 'no' my mind was saying 'yes'.  Not only was I already refining what I didn't like about the first, but I really enjoy working with my Dad in the shop.

 You're welcome to drop by anytime just shoot me a message for directions.  I dunno where you're out of but it could make for a good cruise with your ride.  I'd really love to see her.  smilesmile



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ROAD TRIP!!!!!



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Looking good Nick.



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123pugsy wrote:

Looking good Nick.


 Thanks very much Pugsy! smile



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thats some serious talent you have !!! even Ron Forman would be impressed

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Seeker1056 wrote:

thats some serious talent you have !!! even Ron Forman would be impressed


 Thanks Seeker smile  Even though I've been at it for a while ... I keep learning more everyday.  Thanks for checking out the build.

 

By the way, who's Ron Forman?



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Here are a few snap shots of items being knocked off the list while working solo in the shop.

Tackled the windscreen surround. At the time when the wire frame buck was being fabricated a 1/4" rod was contoured around the actual windshield then located and welded into place. The challenge came in forming the exterior sheet metal up to the glass with a consistent 3/16" perimeter gap as well as creating a rigid substructure for the roof that also supports the glass.


A bit of wheeling was done to develop the low crown centre for the hood according to the wire frame's complex contours. Panel is clamped in place to mark and tip the edges.



Once tipped, the sheet metal centre section is clamped to the hood's wire-frame buck again which is bolted to the body's wire frame for orientation. Next step will be to create the right and left panels. In case you haven't noticed, the old glass we were using for mock-ups had an unfortunate accident.


Taking a break from the hood, attention was moved to the front fascia. A basic profile template was created as a guide for the final piece.


Bottom of the actual front fascia created. Some adjustments still need to be made to the top of the opening. More on this later.


Rear fender flair sheet metal was cut out slightly oversize and clamped to to get an idea where and how much it needed to be formed. Using the buck as a tracing guide, the inside face of the panel was marked up in preparation for shaping.


Rear fender flair wheeled to give it a subtle swell and top edge tipped with a soft radius die. The shape was tweaked here and there a little so that it sat relaxed while I created the wheel well lip.


Since it's sitting almost on it's own on the buck only a few clamps are required to hold the panel in place. The wheel well lip can now be rolled rolled using the buck as a hammer form. Thinking whether or not to add an additional tapered feature just above the wheel opening. I prefer clean lines and feel that the added feature to make the rear too busy. We shall see.


Now it's onto the passenger side...same thing, just mirror opposite.   Both drivers and passengers side pieces obviously start flat and being absent minded at times I have to remember which way they need to wrap around the rear and mark them accordingly. Went digging in my picture collection and unfortunately this is the only photo I took of the passenger side fab progress...



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It's a mountain of metal work to tackle - with about 74 exterior panels and just about as many structure components. Some are straight forward while others take some thinking to determine an approach that eliminates welding pieces together .... not that there is something wrong with welding panels.

So, getting on with the build - with the rear 1/4 pieces taking shape it was time to move onto the rear bottom fascia. Using the buck as a template, sheet metal pieces were cut to the approximate dimensions required. Adding too much material would hinder the shaping process and result in more waste.

Here is a progress comparison. Yes, the left piece started out just like the right one...just forgot to take a picture of it.


Bottom left rear fascia piece all smoothed out and ready for trimming.


Tuck shrinking of the right rear piece completed to help with the curved profile and ready for some english wheel shaping.


Both sides almost completed ... need to trim up the perimeters and install them for scribing.


Pieces clamped in place and scribed. Once the remainder of the body panels have been shaped the huge job of trimming, fitting, and welding will begin.


Front fenders are coming next. Thanks for looking.



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Cutting into yet another new sheet after creating a template of the general shape required..


The electric shear can create wavy edges while cutting the metal if pushed too fast so I usually, try to lay out/cut the sheet in a way that the wavy edges remain on the drops. However, at times the good piece may still end up with these distorted areas. The slapper and a flat dollie are used to even them out. Also, putting the perimeter through the wheel with some light pressure will take care of this issue as well.


Left and right pieces both start out nice and flat. However, 2 reverse curves in one panel will take care of that very quickly.


I started with rolling the piece though the wheel with the rubber wheel installed to give the panel some rigidity while working it.


Witness marks were made to indicate areas that I need to stay away from as they cannot be rolled...yet. The panel was then flipped over, having only the centre rolled to create the concave area. At this point the steel upper wheel is installed and after a few minutes of alternately rolling one side and then the other with some pressure...the fender is starting to take shape and fit the buck. However, there's still a long way to go. Areas to push and pull are highlighted.


Almost there...smoothing out and preparing to tip the body line features and edges into the panel. The wire frame's features are traced onto the underside of the panel. Also a bit of excess to trim away.


At this point this was far enough for the passenger side... the driver's side needed to be caught up. More to come later.

Welcome to the hood! Sorry, didn't have the camera out while these were being shaped. Both my Dad and I were busy getting these sides wheeled. Now the work begins...to fit, scribe, cut, weld, grind, planish, and hem this thing.





While creating this first hood(yes you read that correctly) may appear like 'metal shaping black magic'... that is, 'ahhh yeah...how'd he get from flat sheets to the final curved pieces" - I'll get some more comprehensive pictures up in the next while of the next hood that was made to replace this one.

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There needs to be a shop tour here. This is very impressive. Keep it coming.

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Very nice work Nick, You Got Skills smile  Thanks for showing us!



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Chris58 wrote:

There needs to be a shop tour here. This is very impressive. Keep it coming.


 You guys are always welcome to drop by.  Saying that, at the present time the vehicle has been blown apart so that the wire frame buck can be removed from the frametable... so other than a pile of parts not much to see.  I'll soon start final assembly of the body's structure and panels without the buck.

Thanks for the thumbs up!



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