Heard alot of that on radio today too!!!! Most of the US people were saying that any ban or conrtrols would incite a REVOLUTION as the Constatution would have to be re-written & change the 2nd. amendment of the "RIGHT to BEAR ARMS" & that ain't gonna happen!!!!!

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Heard alot of that on radio today too!!!! Most of the US people were saying that any ban or conrtrols would incite a REVOLUTION as the Constatution would have to be re-written & change the 2nd. amendment of the "RIGHT to BEAR ARMS" & that ain't gonna happen!!!!!

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           the 2nd. amendment of the "RIGHT to BEAR ARMS" 

           is ok for normal folks    

           1 gun maybe two....   a rifle or two.....    

           but who the Hell needs assault rifles ??  

          come on...  theres a balance.....

 

         There was a dude on CNN buying a new gun today    He already owns 30    duh...

I will be attending this next year, and looking forward to it !!

http://maam.org/maamwwii.html

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The majority of these shooting are done by people that are Mentally Ill & they aren't getting the help they need, just the same as up here!!! Mental Illness health care has been cut back so much up here that it's a "revolving" door into the mental wards of hospitals.Having a family member involved & suffering from this we know this 'all too well' 72 hrs is the Max. that they can hold them, courts won't commit most for treatment, as they say if they can "feed themselves keep clean & not going to endanger themselves or others" then their free to wander, no supervision for their Meds. if they can afford them as compensation for those that can't work is minimal!!!The whole system SUCKS & theres no interest in fixing it as it will cost $$$$$

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Heard alot of that on radio today too!!!! Most of the US people were saying that any ban or conrtrols would incite a REVOLUTION as the Constatution would have to be re-written & change the 2nd. amendment of the "RIGHT to BEAR ARMS" & that ain't gonna happen!!!!!

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 agreed.

 The whole reason that the 2nd amendment was written was so that if the citizenship did not like the way the government was doing things, they could revolt and overthow it.

You cannot eliminate guns. That's just a physically impossible task.

We have our recreation in old cars. There is no real need for them in the eyes of many.

 Others have their recreation in firearms. You going to tell these guy's to find a new hobby?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR5BtXP0s0o&feature=youtu.be

some of that stuff is pretty vintage so they are more likely a vintage , or war memorbillia club . I seen a vid yrs ago a buncha guys in the states , southern of course . re enacting tank battles using giant paint ball charges . The funniest thing was they had rules like the vintage trans am races , no bumping , no rubbing , give a gentlemans amounta space on turns or close quarters . Pretty funny stuff ..77.

I sure get tired of hearing everybody bashing the Americans as some sort of more evil than us..We canadians have an equal amount of evil persons and perverts, murders, guns, and stabbings there are more people killed in stabbings than with guns and more killed in car accidents by drunk drivers  than are killed with guns you can find evidence of that in any of the local papers every day if you look..it' not hard to find just as many idiots and nut cases right in your own backyard..I have a lot of American rodder friends that are just as appalled about this horrible,abominal tradgety as you and I

 I think the mentality of American bashing is about as intelligent as the MOE blaming all rodders for global warming..give your head a shake.. What about the guy that hacked off a guys head on a bus in manitoba a couple years ago what all the gangs and guns in Toronto ,Vancouver, Montreal, what about the guy that shot his girlfriend and best friend in Edmonton a couple months ago..and on and on ..Canada has nothing to bragg about here We had 8 guys murdered here in London a couple years ago the Banditos, Hell we had 5  murders right here in St Marys about 5 years ago..everytime one of these tradgetys happens everybody gets on the bandwagon ..

 Do something usefull and complain to your mpp for more help and funding for mentall health that would more productive than all the whinning and sniveling and bashing and blaming all the Americans as  bad guys

 

This was a case of mental illness how come nobody mentions that and doing something about that problem!!

 

 

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I have written my MPP numerous times but unfortunaly he's a PC & not in Power & says all the right things NOW!!! untill they or someone else gets a "try" at it. then it all turns around & they can't afford it, it's all the previous Gov. fault, we'll look into it, any excuse but to make a committment to fix it!!!!! went thru all this every election, doesn't matter who you talk to, you know their lying through their teeth while smiling at you!!!

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 That's why the Americans have their 2nd amendment !! The $hit is going to hit the fan down there very, very soon !!

Any ammo with it?? if not, we will PI$$ you off, if you've got Ammo, How's it going "BUDDY"

America is in a very tough spot right now .Some of my best friends are American and would never say anything bad about them .They are good people and proud to have them as friends . Most of them have carrying permits and you would never know it .I don't ask alot of questions about why they feel its important to be "packin "as they say . I totally understand the hand gun in the night table drawer for protection in your own home . And defending yourself and your property .Hunting rifles and sport shooting ,trap ,skeet ,target etc.I have no trouble with .as long as they are stored properly with trigger locks etc.Keep the guns out of the hands of mentally ill people or criminals .(tough job)

But they loose me on the need for 100 round mag military machine gun rifles .

They are a fear driven society that feels they are always in protection mode, I think the biggest challenge they face is there is no one in the "middle".

They are either nra gun crazy or ban them all .They fear they are in immanent danger of being attacked by terrorists or even worse their own government .Or some crack head trying to steal from or rob them . And not getting help from Police etc.
When the second amendment was written what were the arms flintlocks? I really don't think the weapons of today were what they had in mind .

I think to clean up the gun mess they will need a bottom up approach .Not a top down way
that is about to take place with Biden.The best bet they have is to squeeze ammo sales of these guns .It definitely not something that will be cleaned up over night or in our life time for that matter. But it can be done I just don't know if they want to do it or not.

I really hope and pray for the Americans .

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America is in a very tough spot right now .Some of my best friends are American and would never say anything bad about them .They are good people and proud to have them as friends . Most of them have carrying permits and you would never know it .I don't ask alot of questions about why they feel its important to be "packin "as they say . I totally understand the hand gun in the night table drawer for protection in your own home . And defending yourself and your property .Hunting rifles and sport shooting ,trap ,skeet ,target etc.I have no trouble with .as long as they are stored properly with trigger locks etc.Keep the guns out of the hands of mentally ill people or criminals .(tough job)

But they loose me on the need for 100 round mag military machine gun rifles .

They are a fear driven society that feels they are always in protection mode, I think the biggest challenge they face is there is no one in the "middle".

They are either nra gun crazy or ban them all .They fear they are in immanent danger of being attacked by terrorists or even worse their own government .Or some crack head trying to steal from or rob them . And not getting help from Police etc.
When the second amendment was written what were the arms flintlocks? I really don't think the weapons of today were what they had in mind .

I think to clean up the gun mess they will need a bottom up approach .Not a top down way
that is about to take place with Biden.The best bet they have is to squeeze ammo sales of these guns .It definitely not something that will be cleaned up over night or in our life time for that matter. But it can be done I just don't know if they want to do it or not.

I really hope and pray for the Americans .

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Guns are an inanimate object - no will of their own, no moral stance, etc. Banning them will not stop anyone who is determined to kill from killing. The same day as the Newtown killings, a mentally ill man in china stabbed 22 children with a knife in their school. Timothy McVeigh didn't use a gun to kill 168 people.

I think mental illness is the real problem, and help for these people needs to be more than a 'script for the newest antidepressant and out the door. That should be the real lesson learned from these tragedies.

Although, I don't see any real use for assault weapons outside of the military or police...

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          We all agree guns do not think (yet)  

          If the dude in Newtown has a semi auto gun or rifle    It would have taken a few more seconds to get in the school  

          IF he had to aim at each person it would have taken a few more seconds to kill 26 people    

          The assault weapon fires like a machine gun    What teacher or security guard can stop that kind of firepower??      

          We/they cant stop evil or crazy    but anything to save, any lives is worth it  (2 cents)

Just heard that too Pete, and the report says the guy sat fire to his house, them ambushed the firemen. One fireman dead, one cop dead, and two firemen wounded. Then they figure the guy shot himself. His sister is still unaccounted for.
News also stated 7 neighbouring houses burned down because of the delay.

Fu##in WACKY PEOPLE!!

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RacerRick wrote:

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Guns are an inanimate object - no will of their own, no moral stance, etc. Banning them will not stop anyone who is determined to kill from killing. The same day as the Newtown killings, a mentally ill man in china stabbed 22 children with a knife in their school. Timothy McVeigh didn't use a gun to kill 168 people.

I think mental illness is the real problem, and help for these people needs to be more than a 'script for the newest antidepressant and out the door. That should be the real lesson learned from these tragedies.

Although, I don't see any real use for assault weapons outside of the military or police...

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          We all agree guns do not think (yet)  

          If the dude in Newtown has a semi auto gun or rifle    It would have taken a few more seconds to get in the school  

          IF he had to aim at each person it would have taken a few more seconds to kill 26 people    

          The assault weapon fires like a machine gun    What teacher or security guard can stop that kind of firepower??      

          We/they cant stop evil or crazy    but anything to save, any lives is worth it  (2 cents)

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 You are incorrect no full auto guns were used.

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    So semi auto?   each child had 3-11 bullets in each little body

RacerRick wrote:

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Guns are an inanimate object - no will of their own, no moral stance, etc. Banning them will not stop anyone who is determined to kill from killing. The same day as the Newtown killings, a mentally ill man in china stabbed 22 children with a knife in their school. Timothy McVeigh didn't use a gun to kill 168 people.

I think mental illness is the real problem, and help for these people needs to be more than a 'script for the newest antidepressant and out the door. That should be the real lesson learned from these tragedies.

Although, I don't see any real use for assault weapons outside of the military or police...

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I totally agree with this thought. The phrase "guns dont kill people, people kill people" is true. There are other means as you mentioned however a gun makes the crime low risk with a low level of skill to carry out. Add auto and semi-auto to the fray and you have a killing machine in your hand. I feel that handguns, auto and semi auto weapons of any kind be abolished except for the police & military. Yes, people do have the capability to long guns in violent crimes even though they are difficult to conceal unless they are sawed off. I dont hunt, but I dont have an issue with long guns or peoples rights to hunt. Its generally not these weapons that casue the majority of these issues.

What you said about mental health is absolutely true. Anyone who knows someone who is manic or schizo knows that medications have side effects that he patient often gets sick of and it can be tough to keep them on track. Schizophrenia also often becomes prevalant at the beginning of adulthood (mostly in males) and the symptoms can often become misdiagnosed due to the severity of onset. (progression speed) How do you make someone take meds? Do we go backwards where we used commit people with mental health issues (many whom were harmless) to facilities? (and build all new ones to replace dozens that are currently demolished or abandoned and crumbling?) 

It seems like today's doctors dont know how to deal with ANY issues without prescribing some kind of drug. The medical industry needs to change its reliance on "science and chemistry" and look for the answers that are already there. Drugs are nothing but a patch, not a cure.  Doctors should pay their own way at the country club instead of by the Rx reps. 

Social and general health awareness as well as healty living needs to be promoted. Healthy living promotes healty minds. Too bad the Rx companies are making too much money to make it happen. Got a pill to fix everything...nonsense

 

  

In my case my "soon to be EX's son " who is Schizopheniic, showed no signs of this till late 20's when he went to BC & got into the BC Gold. "Smokin Up" will bring this on if any Symtom is present!!! He has been a problem between Janice & I for while now, & Christmas brought on a huge 'dissagreement" hence we are "splitting up over this!!! I spent Christmas on my own & took down all the decorations on Christmas day!!!! Only people that have 'endured" this will know the STRAIN it puts on members of the family, wether it's a step kid or your own, & I just hit the "wall" Pete

Johnod, read my post again...The entire comment, not just the first part. I said handguns, and auto/semi auto weapons. The UK has proven that this concept works. The yanks have taken Thomas Jeffersons quote and injected it with steroids.