Ok I need help from the Mopar guys. I was at a funeral of all places when a friends buddy approached me and we started talking cars. Turns out he has what is supposed to be a very rare 67 GTX Hemi from California. It has 17 thousand originals mile on it and was found in a aircraft hanger. This guy has owned the car for over 10 years and has just been sitting in his heated shop. He is not a Mopar guy and said he would sell it. He tells me it has an X on the front of the engine and an H.O stamped somewhere as well. He tells me everything is original and even the hoses ,belts factory stickers, markings are still on the car, the dash is not cracked or sun beaten but there is a slight tear on one of the seats. My question is what is something like this worth I have an idea but then maybe I have no Idea at all as I am not familiar with the Mopar. Any educated Mopar guys should know and your help would be greatly appreciated
-- Edited by Modfather on Friday 25th of January 2013 11:46:43 AM
Bill Maverick had an A-100 with a hemi, but that was a custom built wheel stander. Yup , paisley vinyl tops, and my favorite, the "MOD TOP". I actually found a 69 Baracuda years ago in the wreckers that was a mod top car. I kept a piece of it for years but eventually lost it. I don't think it was a popular option, which would make one today ultra rare.
Not to go off topic, but for those that don't know what a MOD TOP was, look here;
Off the cuff, I would say that car is worth 50-60g. As far as being rare, there were lots of Hemis built in 67 but I would say being a GTX would make it more sought after. As far as the X and the H.O. I'm not sure where he's getting these from. Are they stamped on the block in front of the intake. As far as I recall, there were no real rare hemi cars in 67, unless it's a four door.
Off the cuff, I would say that car is worth 50-60g. As far as being rare, there were lots of Hemis built in 67 but I would say being a GTX would make it more sought after. As far as the X and the H.O. I'm not sure where he's getting these from. Are they stamped on the block in front of the intake. As far as I recall, there were no real rare hemi cars in 67, unless it's a four door.
Agreed - Hemi's were plentiful and could even be ordered in wagons and *I think* even trucks. The rarest are in the later years (71 Hemicudas, 71 Charger etc) It gets kind of rediculous how they break it down by options; "Rarest Hemi, convert with 4 speed, 8 track, A/C, dealer air freshener and coffee mug and original air in the space saver tire...blah, blah" Ok, some foolishness there, but you get the point.
All in all, if you have the coin, its a wicked find and worth grabbing. I love the bodylines of those GTX's myself. One of the few Pre-68 Mopars I like (I'm all about the 68-71's myself)
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I read on the net that the 2door GTX 440 Comando there were lots and the GTX hemi car there were around 720 built. Although there were many implants done there were only 720 cars actualy built. Again I read this on the net but when I go view the car I will get the vin # He made want to trade me my 36 Ford 3 window street rod. That is why I am asking. I dont mind making a deal but it has to be fair for both parties.
I have never heard of a hemi truck or a hemi wagon ever being built!! Would be cool though !! If memory serves me correct, there were 2 four door belvedere/satellites built in 66/67. These are not even on the books, but were in fact proven to be produced. Other than the oddball option/colours that Gearhead mentioned, the other low production Hemi cars that I know about is 1971 Hemi Cuda Convertibles. I think 7 were built, 3 automatics and 4 standards. I would love to know what the VIN is also!! Unfortunately in 67 they did not have fender tags that broke down all the options the car came with. This started in 68 !! If you're able to, pop the back seat out, and see if there's a build sheet stuck under it. Most build sheets were located here, although sometimes they got thrown on the floor under the carpeting. This documentation is worth it's weight in gold
Thanks hemi43 he says there is a build sheet or he thinks it is a build sheet that is still legable. I want to go see him maybe even this weekend as he has a set of steelie wheels for my 36 Ford that I want to check out. if I do go this weekend I will copy the vin #s and look at the build sheet and copy down the Info from that too. I guess that will be the only way of knowing for sure.
a hemi truck in the sixties? that would be a stretch, ive never heard of a hemi factory in a truck but you never know. was there only a 426 hemi after the smaller cube ones from the fifties?
If you can, scan a copy of the build sheet, I'll be glad to break it down for you. There should be a fender tag, on the driver's side inner fender, they are not very complete in '67, but enough info on it to tell if it's a Hemi car, the colour, some of the options but not all. The broadcast sheet has all the info. The easiest one to get is on top of the glove box, but not found there very often. The car will be worth more if it has the fender tag, broadcast sheet, and matching numbers engine and trans., but depending on build date of that '67, it might not have the VIN number stamped on the block and trans., as VIN stamping started late in '67, and all '68 had it. Clear as mud, LOL...Post up as much info as you can, there's a few well versed Mopar guys on here, I see.
Hey, don't quote me but I thought I had heard that there was reportedly a hemi wagon and an A100 (?) truck or van out there. Back in the late 60's you could check off anything on the order sheet and get it. Paisley vinyl roof on pink car with green interior and 426 4speed??..you got it.
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A hemi gtx is nothing to pass on , with just over 700 built ( in the world ) thats pretty low if if u think about it ,If its a running driving car - its a win win for you . If owner doesnt have a broadcast sheet , It may still be hidden in the car , behind rear seat-under rear bottom- behind hard covers on front seats-under front seats -atop the glove box insert - or even under carpet ... I was once told there were know 67 hemi blocks almost all used 66 left over blocks,, I dont have my book in front of me , but the X on the block may mean warranty , which in mopar world is considered ok . Is there a fender tag on the drivers inner fender , thats important if theres no sheet . find out what you can and get in touch with me , i can help you with alot more info , glad to help . Kevin1961@live.ca
I was at a funeral of all places when a friends buddy approached me and we started talking cars.
Turns out he has what is supposed to be a very rare 67 GTX Hemi from California. It has 17 thousand originals mile on it and was found in a aircraft hanger. This guy has owned the car for over 10 years and has just been sitting in his heated shop.
He is not a Mopar guy and said he would sell it. He tells me it has an X on the front of the engine and an H.O stamped somewhere as well. He tells me everything is original and even the hoses ,belts factory stickers, markings are still on the car, the dash is not cracked or sun beaten but there is a slight tear on one of the seats.
My question is what is something like this worth I have an idea but then maybe I have no Idea at all as I am not familiar with the Mopar. Any educated Mopar guys should know and your help would be greatly appreciated
How much does he want for it ? That would get the Mopar guys help
i haven t seen pics but if a car of that age has the milleage so low it probably got most of the milles done a quarter mille at the time .......not that will change the value .......specially if your not a mopar guy ......and eventually you will sell it .....samething about colors combo only matter if you want to keep the car after all if your going to put big dollars on purchase you would want a color that you like ............but to sell to make profit than the rarest color will increase the value ............anyway for me it ll just be forever a dream car .....my first fast ride with my dad driving was in that exact same ........red and black automatic
Modfather, I looked up this car on NADAguides, classic car values. It wants a U.S. zip code so I used a friend's 48436 Michigan Zip. This is an excellent site for establishing vehicle values. Look up value and make the deal. Factory 426 hemi cars have been around $100 G's for 10 or 12 years now. Rough condition $60 G's. Check today's value. That is what they are worth, not what the guy hoping to flip it is willing to give you. EVERYBODY should be visiting NADAguides to get an idea of vehicle values. It is pretty accurate. Good luck. Grab that Hemi and then maybe you can trade into a Boyd or Foose.
See you Feb 9th in Coldwater for bowling. Everyone welcome, The Kid
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I've been using NADA guide for a few years also, I use it regularly for doing appraisals http://www.nadaguides.com/Classic-Cars. It's a fairly accurate site, Grundy's is also good, if you like B-J type of values.
if someone ain t a mopar guy it ain t worth ......... if your buying it to make money the worth don t matter ........what counts is only the profit your going to make
Hi modfather ,, on the 3rd row u see a 73 , that tells you 426 hemi , the malteese cross tells me ,,001" undersize crank , if there is a malteese cross with an X beside it, that tells you 010 " undersize crank .. as for i d pad on engine ,,, 2 - 14 - 21 , Feb 14 th - 21 engine built that day... there should also be C on that pad ,may be faint stamp though ...
Did you copy vin tag ,,on door jam ..
Did you by chance take a pic of fender tag , those numbers appear over big and little letters , easier that way ..
As for going by price guides, dont bother , the price of had the bottom fall out of it , good news is its making a come back , decent driver car , 55 -65 right now depending on car it self,, did you get any pics , was there a sheet ......
Yes I took a picture of the vin tag, he could not find the build sheet but he knows he has it somewhere. There is also an X scribed into the block on the left hand side. The X has a square box outlining it. I did not get the door tag I never even thought about it. I will try and post a photo later the car does only have 17000 miles on it and 3000 were put on it when it was driven from Califonia to Ontario The car still has the black plates from 1983 on it.
-- Edited by Modfather on Monday 28th of January 2013 08:41:49 AM
you can ignore my opinion if you want but i say it s a fake and the guy is cheating ......i check this site and a vin code that start with RS23 is just a regular 2door body , i posted on this page the vin for a real hemi car or just check they may be lying to http://www.plymouthgtx.net/information/1967-gtx-production.shtml
Fender tags were screwed on, not riveted. The actuall VIN of the car located in the door jamb will match the numbers on the fender tag.
That tag alone is worth a fortune !! The PP1 on the tag designates this as a red car, and the car in the picture is red. Coincidence, maybe, but I doubt it.
Once Modfather gets us the VIN, we will know for sure !!
Why can't I find stuff like this !!!!!!!
-- Edited by hemi43 on Monday 28th of January 2013 03:24:44 PM
Hi modfather ,, on the 3rd row u see a 73 , that tells you 426 hemi , the malteese cross tells me ,,001" undersize crank , if there is a malteese cross with an X beside it, that tells you 010 " undersize crank .. as for i d pad on engine ,,, 2 - 14 - 21 , Feb 14 th - 21 engine built that day... there should also be C on that pad ,may be faint stamp though ...
Did you copy vin tag ,,on door jam ..
Did you by chance take a pic of fender tag , those numbers appear over big and little letters , easier that way ..
As for going by price guides, dont bother , the price of had the bottom fall out of it , good news is its making a come back , decent driver car , 55 -65 right now depending on car it self,, did you get any pics , was there a sheet ......
i sent you p m , send a pic of tag to me , i will decipher it ,,those early tags are a bitch ,later tags easier email above . a pic of the car as well if you took any , i wont post it without your permission take care Kev
I'm guessing he will want 40-50 thousand for it add 40-50 for a restoration and you have a nice trailer queen
That's too much !! If this car was picked up for 30K, after restoration it would only be worth the money that was put into it. It's not 2007 anymore, and even though it's a Hemi car, it's not one of the rarest.
Here's what the car is worth according to Hagerdy;
If the car is a true survivor (unrestored), I would think it would be worth a good buck as is......A car is only original once
I think the car has been repainted, because the "Hemi" emblem is not in the proper location. It may be a bondo bucket for all we know, and the original holes for the emblem filled in 30 years ago. Hard to tell from a picture !! It's fun doing this investigating work though. It's been a long time since I've done this, and I've been looking into it all afternoon. I even called friends on it that I haven't spoken to in 15 years !!
-- Edited by hemi43 on Monday 28th of January 2013 07:42:49 PM
you can ignore my opinion if you want but i say it s a fake and the guy is cheating ......i check this site and a vin code that start with RS23 is just a regular 2door body , i posted on this page the vin for a real hemi car or just check they may be lying to http://www.plymouthgtx.net/information/1967-gtx-production.shtml
Well then flatduck here ya go. You should well never mind I will let someone else give their opinion
you can ignore my opinion if you want but i say it s a fake and the guy is cheating ......i check this site and a vin code that start with RS23 is just a regular 2door body , i posted on this page the vin for a real hemi car or just check they may be lying to http://www.plymouthgtx.net/information/1967-gtx-production.shtml
Well then flatduck here ya go. You should well never mind I will let someone else give their opinion
you can ignore my opinion if you want but i say it s a fake and the guy is cheating ......i check this site and a vin code that start with RS23 is just a regular 2door body , i posted on this page the vin for a real hemi car or just check they may be lying to http://www.plymouthgtx.net/information/1967-gtx-production.shtml
Well then flatduck here ya go. You should well never mind I will let someone else give their opinion
ITs legit , Its a real car ,, 73 tells you that , great find ,, buy a lottory ticket ,
In 67 gtx could get loaded with quite a few options , The body its self should have the following , 26 inch rad with shroud , big torque boxs in front of leaf springs ( hemi only in 67 ) enough leaf springs to level out a tank ..the front K member is a hemi only item and should have what we call a skid pad welded to front bottom of it ,,,cant miss it,, front torsion bars are bigger , all brakes should be 11 inch , if its a power brake car , there should be a braket between booster and firewall , that bracket lifted booster to be able to take drivers valve cover off , hemi only ...If its a steel wheel car, those would be hemi only as well , hemis are a special animal , only thing better that year would be an R O 23 car ,, factory race, dragon lady , i think dick landy as well .. there was no roadrunner yet ,, that was pretty much the top dog that year ,,could be ordered fully optioned or bare bones . the fender tag is there and in very nice shape , that 73 on that tag is a dead give away its a 426 car . each engine had diff numbers , even if the guy doesnt have sheet , you have the inner fender tag , price stays the same... every 1 has a once in a life time find , you found yours . i will decipher tag and send to you... awesome find....
you can ignore my opinion if you want but i say it s a fake and the guy is cheating ......i check this site and a vin code that start with RS23 is just a regular 2door body , i posted on this page the vin for a real hemi car or just check they may be lying to http://www.plymouthgtx.net/information/1967-gtx-production.shtml
OK !! Opinion ignored !!
This is the VIN number that Modfather gave us;
RS23 73 5 485 424 26903
I'm not sure where this number came from , because it doesn't look like a VIN number, even though "RS23" is correct for that car.
The R stands for Belvedere, which is what the GTX was based from.
23 designates body style, which is correct for a 2-door hardtop
Now the next letter should be a "J" if it's actually a hemi car.
Ususally it's easy to see the VIN number from 68 and up cars, but on 67 it is located on the driver's door jam. This is the number we need !!
427Carl brings up a very good point ... why is the fender tag not attached to the fender? Won't the value of the car go down if the fender tag gets remounted using Canadian Tire/Home Depot pop rivets? (assuming original style replacements aren't available). Who drills out and removes a tag from an original Hemi car?
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