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hemi43


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We used to use a product called "Belzona Molecular" for repairing dies. I guarantee that it would work for you and not fall appart like JB. This stuff had so much metal in it, that a magnet would stick to it. How much of it do you need? It's extremely expensive, and if I recall was made in Florida. I will do a bit of searching and see what info I can find on it.

 

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Here's some info I found;

http://belzona.com/products/1000/1111.aspx

There's tons of videos on YouTube. The product you want is Belzona Molecular 1111 super metal.

I remember fixing a broken outboard motor with this like 20 years ago, and that motor is probably still around.

Edit#2;

I was bored so I called Belzona in Richmond Hill 905-737-1515

Belzona Molecular 1111 for 400g  $148.50

Belzona Molecular 1211 for 500g $ 146.50 (same product, shorter working life)

A kit of JB is around $15 for 2 ounces which would put 500g of JB at $125. Both very close in price, but no comparison in quality of product.

Hope this helps !!

-- Edited by hemi43 on Friday 22nd of February 2013 04:12:39 PM



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I am looking for a souce for a good metal filler epoxy for some head porting i am doing

Need to fill a few dips and dives in the intake ports.

I know about Devcon and JB weld , but neither are known for any kinda longevity

 

Anyone got a source or product that would suit?

 

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that is pricey - wow

the run of the mill porting epoxies through places like Edelbrock etc are a quarter of that - however not in stock at the moment

anyone else?

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Tool Room at Victor / StThomas used that 'Belzona  Molecular' also. Its tuff chit!



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so in other words, throw a rod thru the side of your block, belzona, bam! back on the road?



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so in other words, throw a rod thru the side of your block, belzona, bam! back on the road?

 seen it done on a fork lift still running as far as i know. some of the new aluminum cast  blocks that make it onto the dealer lots with porosity problems get the same treatment as long as its not in an area that realy heats up. Thats the major problem with epoxys normally around 300 f they crap out.



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Seeker1056 wrote:

that is pricey - wow

the run of the mill porting epoxies through places like Edelbrock etc are a quarter of that - however not in stock at the moment

anyone else?

 Pricey?? hmmmm !! It's the same as JB weld !! If you're on a budget you could always use Durabond 90 !!confuseconfuseconfuse



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I haven't heard of belzona in 30 years, good old molecular metal. the marine engineers used to use that stuff to repair blocks, they said if they repair an engine at sea they could tap and die it the next day. i used some to cover some cab light mounting holes on my truck 30 years ago. you still can't tell i patched the holes. great i'm gonna get some for emergencies now that i know its still available.

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hemi43 wrote:
Seeker1056 wrote:

that is pricey - wow


 Pricey?? hmmmm !! It's the same as JB weld !! If you're on a budget you could always use Durabond 90 !!confuseconfuseconfuse

       LOLbiggrin The first time that gets 'wet' it will"fallout"smilesmilesmile



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JPB wrote:
hemi43 wrote:
Seeker1056 wrote:

that is pricey - wow


 Pricey?? hmmmm !! It's the same as JB weld !! If you're on a budget you could always use Durabond 90 !!confuseconfuseconfuse

       LOLbiggrin The first time that gets 'wet' it will"fallout"smilesmilesmile

 Correction.. fallin to the combustion chamber or just hold the valve open enough for the piston to spank it. Im as cheap as they come but sometimes its just not worth it. wonder how well it works on filling gouges in the cylinder bore. nonono



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slim wrote:

 Correction.. fallin to the combustion chamber or just hold the valve open enough for the piston to spank it. Im as cheap as they come but sometimes its just not worth it. wonder how well it works on filling gouges in the cylinder bore. nonono

 It's great stuff, but it has it's limitations. Gouges in the bore I'm sure it won't fix !!smile



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sounds like I am going to have to use Belzona

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Belzona works good. JB weld works good also. I use JB weld when filling the big circular depressions in the ports under the studs. Trick is to rough up the surface so it has something to grab onto and then make sure its clean before epoxying it. I usually hose it down with brake cleaner.

I have never had it drop out.

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A good friend of mine is the Belzona distributor in Canada....

If you have a need for some....I will pass it on

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I do need some and so far it is the only epoxie i have found that says it will last inside the motor according to the link I read.

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You can also get it in small squeezy paketts cheaper

Hemi's $$$$$ is about right for 400g

Back in the day...I used JB in the intake to blend plenums......worked well...but over time (racing season) between the heat and fuel the blends would start to lift. I would redo it every winter.



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Grumpsbodyworks wrote:

A good friend of mine is the Belzona distributor in Canada....

If you have a need for some....I will pass it on

 Maybe that's who I spoke to in Richmond hill?? 



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A lot of times its the same bull****; can't afford to do it right, but you can afford to do it twice.

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No.....not same BS....

When I raced...we didnt have access to stuff like Belzona....JB was the latest and greatest.

We were not supposed to do anything to the intake other than gasket blend 1" in.....

I would grind out ....then fill with JB... then lightly sandblast to get the grain ...then paint.

I called it inovative.....others might have called it something else...truethfuly...I dont think it did much at the level I was racing at.

But it made me think I was getting away with some great and wonderfull speed enhancer.

In the seventies and eighties....we tried acid porting......what a waste of good acid nonono



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Grumpsbodyworks wrote:

No.....not same BS....

When I raced...we didnt have access to stuff like Belzona....JB was the latest and greatest.

We were not supposed to do anything to the intake other than gasket blend 1" in.....

I would grind out ....then fill with JB... then lightly sandblast to get the grain ...then paint.

I called it inovative.....others might have called it something else...truethfuly...I dont think it did much at the level I was racing at.

But it made me think I was getting away with some great and wonderfull speed enhancer.

In the seventies and eighties....we tried acid porting......what a waste of good acid nonono

 Waste for sure.

 

When I did acid, I would party all night, not port heads.



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123pugsy wrote:
Grumpsbodyworks wrote:

No.....not same BS....

When I raced...we didnt have access to stuff like Belzona....JB was the latest and greatest.

We were not supposed to do anything to the intake other than gasket blend 1" in.....

I would grind out ....then fill with JB... then lightly sandblast to get the grain ...then paint.

I called it inovative.....others might have called it something else...truethfuly...I dont think it did much at the level I was racing at.

But it made me think I was getting away with some great and wonderfull speed enhancer.

In the seventies and eighties....we tried acid porting......what a waste of good acid nonono

 Waste for sure.

 

When I did acid, I would party all night, not port heads.

 

strictly as an experiment but mid to late 60's. i think  lol

 

 

 

 



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shag76 Waste for sure.

 

When I did acid, I would party all night, not port heads.

 

strictly as an experiment but mid to late 60's. i think  lol

 

 

 

 So what your saying is its supost to wear off in a few days ........ O  MY

 



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