Hemis, anyone steer me in the right direction!

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

Hemis, anyone steer me in the right direction!

poncho62 · ADMINISTRATOR

Here ya go

http://www.forhemisonly.com/index.html

I have a feeling they deal more into the 426 and newer HEMIs

v8deuce · OAKVILLE, ONT

I'm no expert but my 331 was a block and bellhousing all in one so I got the push button auto with it. I think it was a 1954,and of course the later 392 had a regular block with a seperate bellhousing.

Randy

427CARL · CLINTON, ONT

anyone steer me in the right direction!

Just put the 318 in it everyone else gets by with Hot Rods

flatblack55delivery · PORT HOPE, ONT

Go to the Hot Heads Hemi site .They have the parts,swap section and answers and most of all, prices. Ed

poncho62 · ADMINISTRATOR

http://hotrodsandhemis.com/

This guy knows his HEMIs....at least that is what he always told me....lol

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

Dayum, that's a lot of reading, and making it even more confusing, LOL. I'm first finding what it looked like the Chrysler hemi's #'s started with "C", and Dodge had a "D" but then as I read further, not really. I also found that the truck and industrial Hemi's used the same heads, but no HP rating or compression ratings.
Where are these no's on the block? Are they all on the right side above the cylinder head?

flatblack55delivery · PORT HOPE, ONT

They work out of Bewdley .Really high dollar stuff. Ed

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

Ya For Hemis Only mostly deals with high performance stuff. I've talked with Tim a few times before, about using his Challenger for an album cover and a rock video shoot. And he does really top notch work, I will likely use him for the cylinder heads, if I decide to go that route.

hemi43 · ONTARIO

Gazoo wrote:
Ya For Hemis Only mostly deals with high performance stuff. I've talked with Tim a few times before, about using his Challenger for an album cover and a rock video shoot. And he does really top notch work, I will likely use him for the cylinder heads, if I decide to go that route.

They do nice work !! Actually, my engine was ballanced there!! If you want to run a Hemi, dont waste your time with the old time crap and use a 5.7 or a 6.1 with all the emission stuff entact. In the end, you will get better performance and economy with less money. Don't let the emission Nazis scare you !! Just run the required components and be done with them!!

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

hemi43 wrote:
Gazoo wrote:
Ya For Hemis Only mostly deals with high performance stuff. I've talked with Tim a few times before, about using his Challenger for an album cover and a rock video shoot. And he does really top notch work, I will likely use him for the cylinder heads, if I decide to go that route.
They do nice work !! Actually, my engine was ballanced there!! If you want to run a Hemi, dont waste your time with the old time crap and use a 5.7 or a 6.1 with all the emission stuff entact. In the end, you will get better performance and economy with less money. Don't let the emission Nazis scare you !! Just run the required components and be done with them!!

I'm trying to get away from stuffing all that emission crap under the hood of the '38, and I have no extra space under the dash as I put in a Kugel 90* master cylinder and a 7" booster.

I'm after the old school look, with the hood sides off etc...Plus once I make it emission compliant, I'll have to re-do it every two years in order to renew my plates, it just plain leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

So I'd rather go with an engine that has at most a PCV valve, but if I'm going to throw money into buying and rebuilding a pre '72 Mopar small block, I'd really prefer spending a bit more a build a small Hemi, they just fit the "Hot Rod" theme better.

So, is that industrial Hemi a good start, or stick with a car engine? I've read that the industrial engines have extra ports for cooling and also they're built to use a Chevy water pump...

I just don't want to buy a money pit, avoid going down a path someone already has.

-- Edited by Gazoo on Sunday 17th of March 2013 09:06:10 PM

-- Edited by Gazoo on Sunday 17th of March 2013 09:09:47 PM

58Chev · ETOBICOKE, ONT

Why would you have to do emissions every two years on your 38? No emissions nessesary at all, UNLESS it's classified as a kit car?

hemi43 · ONTARIO

58Chev wrote:
Why would you have to do emissions every two years on your 38? No emissions nessesary at all, UNLESS it's classified as a kit car?

Yeah, I was confused by that also. As long as you have all the required components, that's all that's needed. There's really not that much you would need if you're using something fairly new like the 5.7 !! Cats and evap can is all that comes to mind. Everything else would be on the engine. You plan on running vintage stuff anyway, so it's really no issue for you.

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

Maybe I'm miss informed, but why is the MOE pulling over Hot Rods? and what exactly are they looking for?
I was under the understanding that the car needed all the emissions crap for the year of engine it has in it. So it doesn't have to pass emissions then?
This is really F'd up, I really don't know which way to go with this BS.

Anybody want a '38 Dodge pickup all steel, set up for a Mopar small block, Mustang II manual steering rack, disc brakes, tubular upper and lower control arms, Heidts chrome coil-overs, Ford 9" rear with anodized panhard bars, Ididit tilt, no key paintable steering column, Classic instrument gauges, Wheel Vintiques chrome artillery rims, re-chromed original '38 center caps,etc...

I took my time and did lots of research before I started this project, specifically because, I hate re-doing stuff, but I couldn't foresee our gov't changes of laws and what not! The project has been on stand still for almost a year now, as I don't know what wiring harness, rad etc...I'll need.

I'd be building a '50's pickup would've known I needed to stuff all kinds of S*** under the hood, 'cause there's room in those to do so.

Rant over, truck likely will end up a for sale project.

427CARL · CLINTON, ONT

Gazoo wrote:
Maybe I'm miss informed, but why is the MOE pulling over Hot Rods? and what exactly are they looking for?
I was under the understanding that the car needed all the emissions crap for the year of engine it has in it. So it doesn't have to pass emissions then?
This is really F'd up, I really don't know which way to go with this BS.

Anybody want a '38 Dodge pickup all steel, set up for a Mopar small block, Mustang II manual steering rack, disc brakes, tubular upper and lower control arms, Heidts chrome coil-overs, Ford 9" rear with anodized panhard bars, Ididit tilt, no key paintable steering column, Classic instrument gauges, Wheel Vintiques chrome artillery rims, re-chromed original '38 center caps,etc...

I took my time and did lots of research before I started this project, specifically because, I hate re-doing stuff, but I couldn't foresee our gov't changes of laws and what not! The project has been on stand still for almost a year now, as I don't know what wiring harness, rad etc...I'll need.

I'd be building a '50's pickup would've known I needed to stuff all kinds of S*** under the hood, 'cause there's room in those to do so.

Rant over, truck likely will end up a for sale project.

Did you ever get pulled over ? its seems to be a problem the other side of Toronto

Just put the 318 in and enjoy it forget about Hemi

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

The engine I have sitting in it is a '91 5.2L, which is throttle injection, 2bbl type, and plain and simple, it looks retarded. I have an Air Gap intake and Eddie carb., headers...to make it "look" better, I would also change the distributor and ignition, therefore by-passing the ECM, buuut that in itself would make it non compliant, has that would by-pass the O2 and MAF . If I were to throw in an earlier pre '73 small block, it would require hardened valve seats roller set up etc...due to today's oils, and for me to spend that kind of money in rebuilding a smallblock, I'd rather spend more time and $$$ on building an early Hemi that needs no emission god ugly junk bolted/wired/hosed-up on it.

I'll run the small block has I intended, or until I get pulled over, but in the meantime, I would like to get started on a 1st gen Hemi.

Is an industrial Hemi, like in my first post a bad thing, I can get it for $700. and it's a running 354ci.

Quite honestly, I don't know my way around the newer engines to work on them myself, I rather tune my engines with a timing light and some jetting.

58Chev · ETOBICOKE, ONT

Gazoo wrote:
Is an industrial Hemi, like in my first post a bad thing, I can get it for $700. and it's a running 354ci.

Quite honestly, I don't know my way around the newer engines to work on them myself, I rather tune my engines with a timing light and some jetting.

Gazoo,

Mostlikely the "Industrial Hemi" is equiv to a Truck Hemi. I'd say not a bad thing at all.

sasquatch · NORTH BAY, ONT

Did you know that many of the rooftop "Air Raid Sirens" from the cold war era were powered with Hemi's ?

Wonder what happened to them? Bet they had few hours on them, just periodic start ups to run and test.

Somewhere there is a video i saw of it, i think it was with Don Garlits.

RacerRick · TORONTO, ONT

I, personally would look for a smaller dodge red ram hemi. Cheaper than the chryslers, smaller and easier to package, and they have a good selection of go fast parts.

Try to get the larger ones, since they have engine mounts and will make more power. I have a rebuilt 241 that I have been thinking would be cool with a 5 speed behind it in a light pickup, but it probably will only make around 200hp, even with some speed parts thrown into it.

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

RacerRick wrote:
I, personally would look for a smaller dodge red ram hemi. Cheaper than the chryslers, smaller and easier to package, and they have a good selection of go fast parts.

Try to get the larger ones, since they have engine mounts and will make more power. I have a rebuilt 241 that I have been thinking would be cool with a 5 speed behind it in a light pickup, but it probably will only make around 200hp, even with some speed parts thrown into it.

Seems like the 331 is the most available, but I have a lead on a 270 also.

RacerRick · TORONTO, ONT

. That 270 probably doesn't have side engine mounts, so you will have to use one of the aftermarket timing cover with mounts which requires a lot of other stuff, or come up with your own design. The larger tall deck 315 and 325 hemi's have standard side engine mounts.

The dodges are smaller than a chrysler hemi in every dimension, which makes them fit in early narrow engine bays much better. Stay away from desoto's. There is not much aftermarket support for them at all. Chryslers by far have the most aftermarket support, but core prices are 3-4 times that of the smaller dodges and they cost the same to rebuild. You will get more power out of the chryslers though, just based on size.

-- Edited by RacerRick on Wednesday 10th of April 2013 02:39:07 PM

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

Hey thanks Rick, I appreciate all the info, didn't know about the engine mounts, and that sure makes a big difference.
I'm not looking for performance for the old truck, more drive-ability then anything, kinda why the little 318ci was what I had slated for it. I'm going to keep going with the 318ci for now, as I have a mockup sitting in between the frame rails, and built the steering column around it. But I will certainly take on a small Hemi, for down the road.

Buzzard · PERTH, ONT

Hi if you give me a call,I can give you a few tips to look for.I have built
a few of them.The Chryslers have the most performance parts,then Dodge and Desota.
The Dodge is the smallest size,then Desota,then Chrysler.I will be in the shop
tomorrow at 9 a.m.Check out my 1946 Chev in the build section.

Thanks Larry 613-259-0220

shag766 · FOXBORO, ONT

ok. i know where there were 3-4 early car hemi's engines sitting when i bought my 69 hemi that is in my coronet. they will no doubt need building but they were car motors. tranny probably with it knowing this guy.

pm sent

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- i totally agree with your logic with keeping it old school and not wanting to stuff all that other B.S. into the truck with a newer motor. "old school rules" as for a tranny it isn't a big deal today. i know there will be adapter plates out there for just about anything today.

only request is keep this guy's info close to your chest. if the yanky's get a hold of this guy somehow, it will be gone.

-- Edited by shag766 on Saturday 1st of June 2013 06:27:09 AM