In my opinion, which doesn't usually mean too much, i feel the petitions when signed should ultimately be returned to the MPP that began it in the first place. The scrap Drive Clean petitions should be sent into Michael Harris and the old car/MOE petitions should be sent into John O'Toole. Their addresses are at the bottom of the petitions for a reason. I don't think sending them into any other MPP is a good idea.

I have handed in around 70 filled petitions to John O'Toole and numerous ones to Michael Harris.

There is another write up in the Star newspaper about the scrap drive clean today too.

i will be vending at Richmond Green April 13. I have forms to collect signatures. See you there.

If petitions are dropped off at your MPP's office they will forward them to the MPP to whom they need to be forwarded to.

the Kid

so you have the nerve to ask the gov ment to scrap an obvious cash grab at the expense of the taxpayer?  where are they going to get thier beloved taxes to hand to special interests, corporate welfare, immmigrants, welfare cases etc etc?  dont you know the liberals matra? work harder so others dont have to.  taxing and spending is all they know.

Jeep4752 wrote:

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so you have the nerve to ask the gov ment to scrap an obvious cash grab at the expense of the taxpayer?  where are they going to get thier beloved taxes to hand to special interests, corporate welfare, immmigrants, welfare cases etc etc?  dont you know the liberals matra? work harder so others dont have to.  taxing and spending is all they know.

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 Ya, and whats a few power plant contracts to throw away between friends?

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 thats why they need our money so badley, a few million or billion of our tax dollers blown here and there, whos counting? 

Don't know what happened to the post I put on here 2  days ago, but will do it again. What I did was take the scrap the drive clean web address, and send it to everyone on my mailing address, (except Chuk),and asked them to fill out the form, and then do the same. That way it should get around pretty quick. Maybe everyone on here could do the same thing.

I got an exceptionally good response to the Scrap Drive Clean Petition on Sunday. I did not take enough copies of petition with me. Some people had to sign across the top or bottom or side of full sheets. I will head to Rockton May 11/12 weekend to get more signatures and will bring plenty of forms.

I mailed those copies to MPP Michael Harris of Waterloo yesterday. That cost me $1.50.
His address is on bottom of petition.

Cruise nights will start soon, get copies ready and get going.

Today's Ontario Government discussions regarding the cancellation of the Gas Power plants could lead to an early retirement for our Liberal friends. Remember NDP is NOT the alternative.

the Kid

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I am with you on the election of mcdinks brother or sister hard to tell..

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 That's no way to be talkin about your kin Chuk.

Looks like weather will be better for Saturday, than for Sunday at Rockton/Waterdown. Probably be there Saturday with petitions for you to sign.

the Kid

I am not sure who to vote for in a election,but I know for sure that My business and hobby is going down the fu%cking toilet.I think I am going to sell My house and have a auction of all My cars and tools and go live at Walmart in My trailer,maybe I can get a job as a greeter since I am so much a people person...:( vote OUT the fiberals...

 

 

Janice

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Trailer ,Walmart where is this all going .Are we now going to have the Ratler's meetings in the Wallyworld parking lot. Ed

http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-other-DRIVE-CLEAN-TEST-HELP-W0QQAdIdZ496342177 This says allot for those who are get getting by drive clean helps family's

 

Lets keep spreading the word about this and getting petitions signed, this shouldn't get lost in the shuffle.

 If everybody would read this and do your part..it could help to let them know just how we feel about this..It is easy and will just take a few minutes..way less time than it would take to do one e-test rip off...

Thanks Chuk

Last night, the Liberals told the media they would meet PC demands to repay millions of dollars in illegal profits made from overcharging Ontario drivers for emissions tests, but they did not commit to a plan that would scrap the Drive Clean program altogether.

 

For the last two weeks, we have been calling on the Liberal government to immediately pay back every cent that it has illegally taken from Ontarians using Drive Clean. Although it is good to hear the Liberals say that they will meet our demand in their fall economic statement, we are now waiting to see if they will present a credible plan to immediately begin phasing out the program.

 

More than two and a half years ago, PC Leader Tim Hudak and the Ontario PC Caucus began demanding that the Liberal government scrap Drive Clean after it was found that the program had achieved its mandate.

 

Yesterday, I wrote the Environment Minister asking him to work with the Finance Minister to meet the following demands in the fall economic statement today. They were as follows: (1) immediately reduce Drive Clean fees to stop what has become an illegal tax; (2) pledge to pay back the $19 million unlawfully taken from Ontario drivers; and (3) present a credible plan to begin working with our Party to phase out the Drive Clean program.

 

I encourage you to watch today’s fall economic statement around 1:15/1:30 p.m. online at the Ontario Legislative Website by clicking here. Should the government not meet our demands and present a credible plan to immediately begin phasing out the program and pay the money back to Ontarians, then I encourage you to write to the Minister himself at jbradley.mpp@liberal.ola.org.

 

Thanks again for your efforts. We are that much closer to scrapping Drive Clean.

 

Sincerely,

 

Michael Harris, MPP

Kitchener-Conestoga

 

 

I just got that too??? Why I don't know seeing as I'm in Durham Region, you would think it would be OToole, our MPP doing this for our area??? Doubt the Fibs. will dump it from what MPP Bradley[Min. of transporation] said last week when they got caught, the usual "we'll look into it next Sprg" Ya when the election gets called then they'll act!!! Another Carrott to wave at the ones "DUMB" enough to vote them back in!!!!!

Wow. Dont hold back Chuk

Tell us you really feel!

After you send your email to them scum bags, forward the needed info to all your contacts that are affected by this $HIT.

REJECTED!...Dang I was hoping it would be scrapped before my B-day next week. I have been holding off on doing the test. Guess I'll git r done tomorrow. Wish me luck


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
November 8, 2013

Liberals reject scrapping Drive Clean, refuse to repay illegal taxes
Liberals’ economic statement fails to meet PC demand to scrap Drive Clean program

QUEEN’S PARK – The Liberals have rejected the calls of the Ontario PC Caucus to include a credible plan in their fall economic statement to scrap Drive Clean as they continue make record profits from the program by forcing Ontario drivers to overpay for emissions tests, PC Environment Critic and Kitchener-Conestoga MPP Michael Harris said.

“As I have pointed out repeatedly in the House, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled in 1998 that profits made off of revenue-neutral programs, like Drive Clean, can be deemed an illegal tax and repayable. So I am surprised that the Liberals stated in their fall economic statement that they will only ‘consider changes’ to the program,” Harris said.

“The time for review is long over. The Liberals should pay back the millions of dollars that they’ve illegally taken from Ontario drivers and immediately present a plan to scrap Drive Clean altogether,” Harris said.

The Drive Clean program was never intended to make a profit, but over the last two years the Liberals have racked up a $19-million surplus, as the number of vehicles failing emissions testing increases.

In January 2013, the Liberals replaced the previous tailpipe test, which is a true measure of emissions, with a new computerized test that is less reliable and more prone to error. Now the failure rate of the program is on the rise, not because of emissions-related problems, but because of a computer glitch.

“In fact, nearly 130,000 vehicles fail the test each year. Some drivers are forced to pay for up to three tests before they can get a conditional pass. No wonder the Liberals have racked up a multi-million-dollar surplus,” Harris said. “It’s obvious that the Drive Clean program under the Liberals has evolved into nothing more than a government cash-grab.”

Nearly 11,500 frustrated Ontario drivers have voiced their opposition to the Liberals’ e-test by signing the Ontario PCs’ online petition at ScrapDriveClean.ca.

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For further information contact:
Michael Harris, MPP Kitchener-Conestoga | 416-325-3130 | Michael.HarrisQP@pc.ola.org

Found an interesting article in Old Autos last month's edition.  I re-typed it for those who don't subscribe to it.  Hopefully no typos.

An expert says one of the recent volcanic eruptions in Iceland in just 4 days negated every single effort earthlings have made to control CO2 emissions in the 5 year period preceding the event. He goes onto state its very disheartening to realize that all of the carbon emissions saved worldwide while suffering the inconvenience and expense of driving hybrid cars, toting fabric grocery bags, throwing out all non-green cleaning products, using only 2 squares of toilet paper, putting bricks in the toilet tank, selling the SUV and speedboat, risk getting killed on the road while riding your bicycle, and replacing 50 cent light bulbs with 10 dollars ones, went down the tubes in four days.  And here is another kicker the world’s media may only choose to tell you about on the slowest of slow news days, there is 200 active volcanoes spewing out the crud at any one time EVERY DAY.  The lengthy tome ends up with the revelation that when Mt. Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines in 1991, it spewed out more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than the entire human race had emitted in all its years on earth. 

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 Apathy will be our undoing..remember nobody does anything to us that we don't just let them ..we are truly a bunch of whiners. ..we just don't bother to get involved with our Government ..but that does not meant they are not involved with us ...

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 How can we truly fight the system?? I wouldn't even know where to begin. There must be some intelligent people out there that feel the same as the rest of the masses, and it will take them to organize something. Once the ball is rolling and people feel that they are not a "one man army", then things will change. I sometimes wonder why, out of 35+ million people in this Country, some terminally ill individual with nothing to lose hasn't done something about his displeasure of the Government. I think it's only a matter of time.

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Hemi.

We can for one thing ..GET OUT AND VOTE..our voting numbers are dismal..Then at election time we get out and support the candidate that supports our cause and we can get busy and beat some doors and make our voice known to the party we chose to support..I try to help and support the candidate in my area and I do go knock on some drs I know it's small but that's because people prefer to whine on their PC or grumble to friends but come election time they are much to busy watching TV.. or sitting in the back-yard with a bar-b-Q drinking wobbly pops..and they never seem to get out and vote ..forgot about it ..I know it's like climbing a glass wall but it's a start and much more than most people ever do..I agree about the terminally dude...but it probably still would not change a corrupt government..we have do that by Votes ..we live in a democracy that is controlled by special interest voters, and the elite because they know the system can only be changed by votes.... seems the whiners and grumblers have yet to figure that out..So we are where are and we get the government we deserve ..in my eye..

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 I vote at every election, but does it really matter who you vote in?? Last election there was a Chinese Guy running and I ended up voting for him. Not because I thought he was a better candidate, but mainly because I knew I was going to have to take it up the a$$ and he would have hurt the least. In all honesty, the current system is not working anymore, and the amount of corruption in Government is sickening. I'm not sure how to fix the system, but all I know is I'm never going to see it in my lifetime.

Anyone watch Sun news last night??? They were "Pasting" the Liberals & Wynn showing all their faults & scandels, then they showed the latest Poll taken in Ont. & it showed the majority of Ontarians give K. Wynn & the Lib. a Passing grade & say their doing a "good job" ???????? WE ARE IN TROUBLE!!!!!!!

Just received this bull$hit answer from Mr Bradley.. I have yet to compose a reply ..But you can rest assured I am planning one..I will have delete the first one I do just to stay out jail ..I will try to compose the second draft with a degree of intelligence so I don't look like a jerk ..Oh crap I do look a bit like a jerk.  .guess I ment so I don't sound like one..Suggestions ,one liners , comments from anyone that they may like to have added to my response please feel free to load your guns..

 

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Dear Mr. Armstrong:

 

Thank you for your e-mail about the Drive Clean program.

 

Drive Clean was introduced because motor vehicles are a major domestic source of smog and several other toxic contaminants.  Smog can have serious health consequences for many people, particularly children, the elderly and those with respiratory and cardiovascular illnesses.  The Ontario Medical Association estimates that smog contributes to 9,500 premature deaths annually.  Drive Clean repairs reduce vehicles’ smog-causing pollutants by more than a third.

 

On January 1, 2013, Drive Clean began using a test that reads a vehicle’s on-board diagnostic (OBD) computer.  The OBD test replaced the old dynamometer test, which only measured a vehicle’s emissions at a particular speed, load and moment in time.  In contrast, the OBD test checks the vehicle’s computer that continuously monitors a vehicle’s emissions control system and can better identify emissions system problems.  Drive Clean joins the other 32 North American vehicle inspection and maintenance programs that use this test technology.  It is the right test for Ontario’s fleet of vehicles because it is more accurate than the old test and better at detecting emissions problems, resulting in better diagnostics and emissions-related repairs.

 

The change to modernize Drive Clean testing and make it more effective by using the OBD test has reduced the government’s cost to deliver the program.  As a result, we will reduce the Drive Clean test fee in the coming months. 

 

If you have questions regarding the Drive Clean program or the emissions-testing requirements of your vehicle, please feel free to call the Drive Clean Contact Centre at 1-888-758-2999 or visit the Drive Clean website at www.driveclean.com.

 

Again, thank you for bringing your concerns to the attention of the government.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

Jim Bradley

Minister

 

Well Said...