Nitrous install question

BARRIE, ONTARIO

Nitrous install question

dualquadpete · BLACKSTOCK, ONT

Can't help there, but hope this isn't a "street car" get caught with the "bottle" in it & you'll lose the car!!! Permanantly!!! They [Gov] don't F%&k around on that issue!!!!

shag766 · FOXBORO, ONT

pete i have heard that it is big time bad. what "if" you had a system but not hooked up to the juice in the car. at the shop in cali where they put my motor together they said a 2-300 shot would be no problem. every once in awhile i think about it.

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

its not illegal to have a nitrous system, the bottle has to not be connected to the hose is the only rule. im sure if you have a car with such a system and it looks like it can go pretty fast the cops might still nail you if its connected or not. there are remote units i have seen that can turn the bottle on and off and maybe even disconnect the fitting as well. would be handy if you get pulled over during a nite of street racing

dualquadpete · BLACKSTOCK, ONT

shag766 wrote:
pete i have heard that it is big time bad. what "if" you had a system but not hooked up to the juice in the car. at the shop in cali where they put my motor together they said a 2-300 shot would be no problem. every once in awhile i think about it.

The way I read it, & explained in the ACT, if the "Bottle" is in the vehicle, your BUSTED!!! car is confiscated!!! The system can be there, no problem there, just don't have the bottle anywhere in the vehicle, or take your chances!!!!!!!

Beachcat · WASAGA BEACH, ONT

Fatstax can you please change your avatar. It really bothers me to the point that I don' want to log on in case I see it.

hemi43 · ONTARIO

Subscribed!! This will be good!

Glen440 · AJAX, ONT

The way I had it explained awhile ago was, you cannot have the tank bolted in the car or hooked up when pulled over. If its floating and not hooked up you are only transporting it. Kindof defeats having it there to use.

The last time I was pulled over driving back from the drag strip the cops were looking for nitrous and reading the sidewalls of my tires even though I pointed out my slicks on the back seat. I was pulled over for no tail lights on the 407 and they were all over the car.

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

i just read the ministry of transports rule about NOS and it prohibits a connected system. not much else about that

hemi43 · ONTARIO

I subscribed to this, and that's the best answer you can give?? Geezzz I'm disappointed !!

TIME TRAVELLER · NIAGARA REGION, ONT

Highway Traffic Act

Nitrous oxide fuel systems prohibited
172.1 (1) No person shall drive or permit to be driven on a highway a motor vehicle manufactured or modified after its manufacture such that nitrous oxide may be delivered into the fuel mixture unless,
(a) the part of the fuel system that may connect to a canister, bottle, tank or pressure vessel capable of containing nitrous oxide can be clearly seen by looking at the interior or exterior of the motor vehicle;
(b) there is no canister, bottle, tank or pressure vessel connected to that part; and
(c) if the part of the fuel system that may connect to a canister, bottle, tank or pressure vessel capable of containing nitrous oxide is located inside the passenger compartment, there is no canister, bottle, tank or pressure vessel capable of containing nitrous oxide in the passenger compartment.

Same
(2) No person shall drive or permit to be driven on a highway a motor vehicle manufactured or modified after its manufacture such that nitrous oxide may be delivered into the fuel mixture unless,
(a) the part of the fuel system that may connect to a canister, bottle, tank or pressure vessel capable of containing nitrous oxide is completely disconnected from the part of the system that connects to the engine;
(b) the disconnection can be clearly seen by looking at the interior or exterior of the motor vehicle; and
(c) the disconnected parts cannot be reconnected from inside the passenger compartment.
Offence
(3) Every person who contravenes subsection (1) or (2) is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to a fine of not less than $500 and not more than $2,000 or to imprisonment for a term of not more than six months, or to both.

BARRIE, ONTARIO

Oh for pete,s sakes . I guess I forgot to put in that its for my 1972 amc gremlin drag car , that hasn't been registered or licenced for the roads in Ontario since 1976 , and never will be as long as I own it .
and P / S cops an mto aren't as smart as you think . I can list 4 cars locally that the nitrous tank on a street car is in a section of the roll cage . I personally stood there while a car was getting inspected and the owner told the mto clown that the fitting and line coming of the tubing was to drain condensation from the pipes in the roll cage . that car passed .
WHO ever moderates this forum please please delete this posting topic .. Thank You ..77..

MADSCI · NEWCASTLE, ONT

I would like to know how they filled the roll cage?? bottles are filled by weight......on the average street/strip car would use 1lb +- per pass (100-150 shot) up to 4.5lbs per pass ( never goning to see this on a street car as this would be a 550 shot) another factor is pressure.... optimum bottle pressue is 1000lbs...and considering the amount of roll cage you would need to equal the volume of a bottle not sure how they pulled it off...not to mention the saftey issue....1 5/8 mild steel tubing welded and pressurized?? or if they spent money chrome moly ( and if done properly will have a few 1/8 holes to let the gas out of the tubing after welding)....I guess they never have seen what happens when a bottle explodes........

-- Edited by MADSCI on Saturday 15th of June 2013 04:52:39 PM

Fordy Acres Car Farm · DORCHESTER, ONT

For a drag race only application, I would consult the current, up to date NHRA/IHRA rule book. I would think that at the very least, the pressure release valve would be required to be plumbed outside the interior panels. Speculation only - please refer to the rule book.

MADSCI · NEWCASTLE, ONT

You can mount the bottle any where in the passanger compartment ( we used to mount 2 -25lb bottles where the passanger seat was) as long as you have the blow off tube or hose vented outside the car and the bottle is mounted securley in the bracket there will be no issues with tech either NHRA or IHRA.....

slim · DUNDAS, ONT

pressure rating of steel pipe

http://www.ipspipe.com/Documents/Spec/Pipe_pressure_rating.pdf

RacerRick · TORONTO, ONT

You can get small bottles (10oz?) and some of them (the long narrow ones) will fit in 1 3/4" chromo roll cage tubing. You just plumb several of them together and be very care full filling them. You put the supply bottle on the scale and pump out by weight.

Don't ask me how I know this.

-- Edited by RacerRick on Saturday 15th of June 2013 06:57:24 PM

DaveM · ONTARIO

slim wrote:
Pressure rating of tubing for the politically correct.
http://dtcindustrial.com/dtc/helpful_technical_data/pg10_pg11.pdf

Hydraulic tubing...really?

-- Edited by DaveM on Saturday 15th of June 2013 10:14:53 PM

DaveM · ONTARIO

You don't pressurize welded seam roll bar tubing, and you don't build roll bars out of pipe, period.

No wonder we have so many rules and regulations.

MADSCI · NEWCASTLE, ONT

DaveM wrote:
You don't pressurize welded seam roll bar tubing, and you don't build roll bars out of pipe, period.
No wonder we have so many rules and regulations.

What he said.......!! Come on Dave you wouldnt trust some D.O.M tubing that was (usually )welded with a mig and then pressurized 1000lbs + ?? it would be awesone when the sun heated up the bars......LOL

slim · DUNDAS, ONT

Pressure rating of tubing for the politically correct.

http://dtcindustrial.com/dtc/helpful_technical_data/pg10_pg11.pdf

slim · DUNDAS, ONT

IF I ever had the urge to pump a 1000 psi of anything into a 13/4 tube my last choice would be DOM it might make a good roll bar but it was never intended to hold pressure. for what its worth it could be Incorporated into any part of the car . with .134 wall your looking at 8900 psi burst . Ive played with this stuff and it will give you lots of warning before it lets go unless you detonate it internally through the feed line then nothing is going to save your a$$. do you REALLY think anyone trying this would be concerned about the rule's or REALLY gives a rats a$$ about the regulations. the weak link is going to be in the way you cap the ends and the take off line. Honestly if you don't know what your doing Id recommend not trying this at home. The word pipe bomb comes to mind . You question my choice of material so tell me what would you use overview of specs.

Our tubing is manufactured to SAE specifications of J524, ASTM/ASME/SA/A179, and metric specifications to DIN2391/C NZBK

as well as EN 10305-1 specifications in material grade 37.4 / E235. All tube sizes are available with phosphated and oiled

surface finish, as well as some popular sizes stocked in zinc plated surface finish. All steel metric tubes come in 6 meter lengths,

and imperial (Inch) sizes in 20 foot lengths. All working pressures represented here are for normal conditions up to 120

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higher temperatures and heavy shock pressure, or other extreme conditions, the size of the tubing should be calculated

accordingly. Mill testing Certificates are available on request.

Rated for WOG , boilers , HVAC at 120c again not the best for a roll bar but perfect for a pressure vessel

hemi43 · ONTARIO

slim wrote:
Ive played with this stuff and it will give you lots of warning before it lets go unless you detonate it internally through the feed line then nothing is going to save your a$$.
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How can you "detonate" Nitrous Oxide ?? It's non-flammable !!!
Nitrous is an oxidizing agent!! It's still the gasoline (fuel) that gives all the power.

Beachcat · WASAGA BEACH, ONT

I think you would all be better off just breathing the stuff biggrin

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

hemi43 wrote:
slim wrote:
Ive played with this stuff and it will give you lots of warning before it lets go unless you detonate it internally through the feed line then nothing is going to save your a$$.
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How can you "detonate" Nitrous Oxide ?? It's non-flammable !!!
Nitrous is an oxidizing agent!! It's still the gasoline (fuel) that gives all the power.

havent you guys seen the fast and the furious? all you need to know about nitrous is in the documentary about street racing

Fordy Acres Car Farm · DORCHESTER, ONT

fatstax wrote:
hemi43 wrote:
slim wrote:
Ive played with this stuff and it will give you lots of warning before it lets go unless you detonate it internally through the feed line then nothing is going to save your a$$.
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How can you "detonate" Nitrous Oxide ?? It's non-flammable !!!
Nitrous is an oxidizing agent!! It's still the gasoline (fuel) that gives all the power.
havent you guys seen the fast and the furious? all you need to know about nitrous is in the documentary about street racing

Yes, and as evidence in the first movie, you can tune for nitrous while you are in the midst of a 1/4 mile pass with a couple hundred key strokes on the lap top that is sitting on the passenger seat!!! If you do it any other way it's not only wrong, it's not cool!!!

MADSCI · NEWCASTLE, ONT

RacerRick wrote:
You can get small bottles (10oz?) and some of them (the long narrow ones) will fit in 1 3/4" chromo roll cage tubing. You just plumb several of them together and be very care full filling them. You put the supply bottle on the scale and pump out by weight.

Don't ask me how I know this.

-- Edited by RacerRick on Saturday 15th of June 2013 06:57:24 PM

Not sure how you got the 10 oz bottle into a 1 3/4 tube?? the 10 oz bottles are 15" long and 2" in diameter.....

hemi43 · ONTARIO

MADSCI wrote:
RacerRick wrote:
You can get small bottles (10oz?) and some of them (the long narrow ones) will fit in 1 3/4" chromo roll cage tubing. You just plumb several of them together and be very care full filling them. You put the supply bottle on the scale and pump out by weight.

Don't ask me how I know this.

-- Edited by RacerRick on Saturday 15th of June 2013 06:57:24 PM
Not sure how you got the 10 oz bottle into a 1 3/4 tube?? the 10 oz bottles are 15" long and 2" in diameter.....

It the new rubber bottles !!

slim · DUNDAS, ONT

In that case I guess we can all take the flash arresters off the oxygen bottles on the torch set. better yet heat the rim with it on one of your tires after you remove it. Flames are allways a nice side affect for an explosion but not really nessasary .

hemi43 · ONTARIO

slim wrote:

In that case I guess we can all take the flash arresters off the oxygen bottles on the torch set. better yet heat the rim with it on one of your tires after you remove it. Flames are allways a nice side affect for an explosion but not really nessasary .

Flash arresters are used to prevent one gas or flame from being forced into the other bottle causing a dangerous situation. In a nitrous setup, this is impossible. Too many people have the misconception that Nitrous is extremely flammable, which in fact it's not. I just wanted to state that fact when you mentioned that it would "detonate".

The picture of the car above shows a violent tank rupture with no resulting fire. If there was already a small fire and then the nitrous tank failure, there would be nothing left of the whole car.

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

hemi43 wrote:
slim wrote:

In that case I guess we can all take the flash arresters off the oxygen bottles on the torch set. better yet heat the rim with it on one of your tires after you remove it. Flames are allways a nice side affect for an explosion but not really nessasary .
Flash arresters are used to prevent one gas or flame from being forced into the other bottle causing a dangerous situation. In a nitrous setup, this is impossible. Too many people have the misconception that Nitrous is extremely flammable, which in fact it's not. I just wanted to state that fact when you mentioned that it would "detonate".
The picture of the car above shows a violent tank rupture with no resulting fire. If there was already a small fire and then the nitrous tank failure, there would be nothing left of the whole car.

I have nothing to add to this, except, yup, what he ^^^^ said.

shag766 · FOXBORO, ONT

hemi43 wrote:
Subscribed!! This will be good!

lol x2

Beachcat · WASAGA BEACH, ONT

shag766 wrote:
hemi43 wrote:
Subscribed!! This will be good!
That seems to be a thread killer lol.

MADSCI · NEWCASTLE, ONT

I wonder how long i could have made a 10oz bottle last on either of these engines I ran?? confuse

RacerRick · TORONTO, ONT

hemi43 wrote:
MADSCI wrote:
RacerRick wrote:
You can get small bottles (10oz?) and some of them (the long narrow ones) will fit in 1 3/4" chromo roll cage tubing. You just plumb several of them together and be very care full filling them. You put the supply bottle on the scale and pump out by weight.

Don't ask me how I know this.

-- Edited by RacerRick on Saturday 15th of June 2013 06:57:24 PM
Not sure how you got the 10 oz bottle into a 1 3/4 tube?? the 10 oz bottles are 15" long and 2" in diameter.....
It the new rubber bottles !!

I don't know the size of the bottles which is why the 10oz has a question mark. They were just under 1.5" round and about 8-10" long. They were a high pressure industrial bottle of some sort, with a 3000psi working pressure. Just wrap a bit of electrical tape over them so they don't rattle and they slip right in. Three of them plumbed together were good for about a single 50hp shot on a quarter mile pass.

BARRIE, ONTARIO

Holy Crap this post is still going on . a ha ha ha . I dint know you guys could find anymore politically correct links to nitrous an its dangers ha ha . ..77.

MADSCI · NEWCASTLE, ONT

RacerRick wrote:
hemi43 wrote:
MADSCI wrote:
RacerRick wrote:
You can get small bottles (10oz?) and some of them (the long narrow ones) will fit in 1 3/4" chromo roll cage tubing. You just plumb several of them together and be very care full filling them. You put the supply bottle on the scale and pump out by weight.

Don't ask me how I know this.

-- Edited by RacerRick on Saturday 15th of June 2013 06:57:24 PM
Not sure how you got the 10 oz bottle into a 1 3/4 tube?? the 10 oz bottles are 15" long and 2" in diameter.....
It the new rubber bottles !!
I don't know the size of the bottles which is why the 10oz has a question mark. They were just under 1.5" round and about 8-10" long. They were a high pressure industrial bottle of some sort, with a 3000psi working pressure. Just wrap a bit of electrical tape over them so they don't rattle and they slip right in. Three of them plumbed together were good for about a single 50hp shot on a quarter mile pass.

Seems like a whole lot of work for a 50 shot..........that works out to just under 1 lb of nitrous, cant see how it would last a full pass seeing as the bottle pressure would drop off so fast.......may work great for the first 100 ft...

RacerRick · TORONTO, ONT

It was a turbo car, so it was mostly used for charge cooling and to help get the car off the line with the big turbo. Worked...but it was only good for one run. We used a single fogger nozzle setup for a dry shot. The EFI took care of the fueling.