Hey guys I don't get much time to work on my rod since my son was born, but I've been trying to. But I am really interested where all you guys buy your metal and hardware/fasteners?
I have a lot of stainless fasteners. Mostly 3/8" button head bolts with a torx drive. Have some 1/4" and 1/2". A lot of stainless 3/8" hex head bolts. All new.
If you need any let me know and I will check if I have the length you need.
Stainless is OK for cosmetic parts but has the tensile strength of butter. Not a good choice for holding you steering gear or a trailer hitch. as far as metal go's old appliances make decent patch panels the older the better.
Mild steel has an average of 65.000 tensile grade 2 hardware store bolts 302 stainless 70.000 tensile . grade 5 steel bolt 120,000 grade 8 160,000 . These numbers will vary somewhat to who's chart you look at. A P R does make a hardened version of stainless bolts that are considerable stronger and so do some other manufactures but unless the bolt is marked or you ordered them specifically common sense would have you treat it as grade 2 being the most common stainless bolt on the market. Tensile is only one thing to consider Yield is all so different as stainless tends to stretch more also galling and galvanic reactions to deferent materials. I through the comment out there because naturally something thats not going to rust appears to be the answer to allot of issues in our hobby . Most people will look at brake line ,well the pressure rating of stainless is far Superior to steel and translate that to every thing. it doesn't work like that. Really stainless will stand up in a lot of environments that most wont last a week but as everything it has its good points and bad points you just have to know what they are.
Hey guys I don't get much time to work on my rod since my son was born, but I've been trying to. But I am really interested where all you guys buy your metal and hardware/fasteners?
This turned into a what's better then the other post.. I don't care what's better I just need grade 8 stuff.. When I need bolts I usually take them from work but when I need automotive fine thread bolts they are not easy to find or they cost 5 bucks a bolt. I'll check out those to hemi43 thanks
427carl what's so funny?
-- Edited by Newagerod on Tuesday 25th of June 2013 05:14:34 PM
This turned into a what's better then the other post.. I don't care what's better I just need grade 8 stuff.. When I need bolts I usually take them from work but when I need automotive fine thread bolts they are not easy to find or they cost 5 bucks a bolt. I'll check out those to hemi43 thanks
427carl what's so funny?
-- Edited by Newagerod on Tuesday 25th of June 2013 05:14:34 PM
Hmmm !! I wonder which workplace in Oshawa has lots of grade 8 bolts??
I live in Oshawa, I work in pickering I don't need all grade 8 I need an asortment of different fasteners. I just wanted to know where you all get your nuts and bolts lol
IMO, any place that sells fasteners in bulk is a good place to buy them!! If you go to CTC or other places where you're forced to buy those stupid little plastic containers that contain 4 bolts, you might as well buy a tube of Vaseline at the same time to ease the pain at checkout.
I was kinda wondering the same cool thread now I have some others places besides ctc.
Randy
Glover in Hamilton, bolt and nut in the creek , brafasco in Burlington , s b Simpson in Burlington ( normally better pricing). Lots more. Most any farm store. Myself normally I get them from my pocket . Sometimes I have to go look on the top of the washing machine.
Old outboard engines...you can easily strip 5 lbs of SAE bolts off an old evinrude and all seem to be common sizes needed 1/4,3/8 and 5/16 and also quite a bit of fine thread.
my next toy i hope, is going to be a small ultra sonic parts cleaner. this will clean up the 2-3 pails of greasy-grimey fasteners i have laying around and always sorting through for that one item you need. the price on these has come down a fair bit in the last couple of years and if i search hard enough for the "big deal" lol, i have seen these things turn really dirty ugly parts into something presentable again. the asst. is probably 80-90% common size's.
I have had a Branson ultrasonic cleaner for years, and have only used it a few times. IMO, don't waste your money on one because they're not designed to clean the bolts and such. Where it works great is on small intricate parts like carburetors. If you want to clean dirty bolts and other car parts, make yourself a "hot tank". I made one using a small 10 gallon drum with lid, and installed a heating element from a hot water tank. I use water, and a bit of caustic soda that can be bought cheap from a chemical supply house. I bought a 5 gallon bucket of it (powder form) about 15 years ago, and have only used about half. You want to talk about something that cleans !!! When the parts come out, they look absolutely brand new !! It's amazing at removing paint, but the only draw back is that it will make anything aluminum disappear.
Yeah we use costic at work, I put parts in it then sand blast them. Works great. And he's right it will eat up aluminum like nothing that's what we use it for.
-- Edited by Newagerod on Thursday 27th of June 2013 10:33:12 AM
i recently just bought an assortment with a 72 hole bin at brafasco for about 450.00 all grade 5. 4500 to 5000 pcs roughly. the bin alone is over a 100.00 if bought separately. my next toy i hope, is going to be a small ultra sonic parts cleaner. this will clean up the 2-3 pails of greasy-grimey fasteners i have laying around and always sorting through for that one item you need. the price on these has come down a fair bit in the last couple of years and if i search hard enough for the "big deal" lol, i have seen these things turn really dirty ugly parts into something presentable again. the asst. is probably 80-90% common size's. they also have sales on grade 8 and stainless asst. maybe 2-3 times a year. short of that if its something odd ball, not common, i run to the depot for the couple of pc's i need.
my next toy i hope, is going to be a small ultra sonic parts cleaner. this will clean up the 2-3 pails of greasy-grimey fasteners i have laying around and always sorting through for that one item you need. the price on these has come down a fair bit in the last couple of years and if i search hard enough for the "big deal" lol, i have seen these things turn really dirty ugly parts into something presentable again. the asst. is probably 80-90% common size's.
I have had a Branson ultrasonic cleaner for years, and have only used it a few times. IMO, don't waste your money on one because they're not designed to clean the bolts and such. Where it works great is on small intricate parts like carburetors. If you want to clean dirty bolts and other car parts, make yourself a "hot tank". I made one using a small 10 gallon drum with lid, and installed a heating element from a hot water tank. I use water, and a bit of caustic soda that can be bought cheap from a chemical supply house. I bought a 5 gallon bucket of it (powder form) about 15 years ago, and have only used about half. You want to talk about something that cleans !!! When the parts come out, they look absolutely brand new !! It's amazing at removing paint, but the only draw back is that it will make anything aluminum disappear.
hemi43 "you have some splaining to du here loocy" LOL *dezi* x-ok, after putting my 2 cents in on newrods inquiry about hardware and i mentioned i'd like a sonic and you tell me to save my money, Thank YOU. it had been awhile since i had snooped for one and after posting i went shopping for one and they have come down a lot on price. darn near pulled the trigger on a couple of them. heck of a deal for one in gay bay, san fransisco, but his shipping was high i thought. sent him a inquiry about it and am waiting the reply. luckily-maybe. i have a thick stainless tank cut in half length wise with a stainless approx 1 1/2" drain valve on it. probably would of been a 20-25 gal tank. i have had it for some years laying around out back and thinking someday it will have a use. lol its been close a couple of times to being gone. -how much temp do i need for this caustic to do its job and for how long in the tank. i can rig a metal lid for it on hinges for a cover. but, i won't make stand for it from aluminum. lol go on a cleaning spree, clean it up and put it back outside, s/s, perfect. only other ? would be how do you dispose of the mess afterwards. if i find the tank to big i can always cut it down to suit. shoot me the recipe for this would ya. x --i am on a big car forum, fbbo, with guy's from around the world on it and when i mentioned the sonic thing nobody mentioned this caustic trick. interesting. x ps; if this thing works as you say, What kind of Beer do you prefer. lol i am darn near finishing another vehicle full of scrap for the scrap yard and was looking at the tank last week. funny
On the subject of caustic soda (Sodium Hydroxide), in addition to being great a cleaning grease and grim off of parts, in concentrated and heated form it is also very efficient at removing the skin from your hands, or sight from your eyes. Be very careful with it and where good personal protection! It can give you a burn as bad or worse than any acid you can think of.
On the subject of caustic soda (Sodium Hydroxide), in addition to being great a cleaning grease and grim off of parts, in concentrated and heated form it is also very efficient at removing the skin from your hands, or sight from your eyes. Be very careful with it and where good personal protection! It can give you a burn as bad or worse than any acid you can think of.
I was going to put a strict warning on my thread about Caustic soda. It's a great product, but must be used carefully especially when it comes to your eyes.
Used in low concentrations it's fairly safe, because this is the chemical that gives soap it's slipperiness. Unfortunately this concentration is too low for hot tanks.
Caustic does work great and fast and you also don't want to breath it in, very bad for the lungs. When it's on our skin you can feel it burning but water washes it away. Use gloves, face shield, and mask. It's ok to stray off topic, aslong as people are reading and adding that's the point of the forums
I don't need all grade 8 I need an asortment of different fasteners. I just wanted to know where you all get your nuts and bolts lol
