Looking for 4 or 5 speed Tranny

Chris58 · WATERFORD, ONT

Looking for 4 or 5 speed Tranny

Fordy Acres Car Farm · DORCHESTER, ONT

Chris, it's very important to use the word "trans" instead of "tranny" - you might end up with some strange offers!!!

BARRIE, ONTARIO

put a 5 spd with over drive you wont regret it ..77.

slim · DUNDAS, ONT

Might be worth checking out the u pull in Hamilton probley pick up every thing you need for 200 .There is another one off Barton 2 blocks east of gage but Kenny is the bigger of the two

http://www.kennyupull.com/hamilton/pricelist.php

Chris58 · WATERFORD, ONT

slim wrote:

Might be worth checking out the u pull in Hamilton probley pick up every thing you need for 200 .There is another one off Barton 2 blocks east of gage but Kenny is the bigger of the two

http://www.kennyupull.com/hamilton/pricelist.php

Thanks Slim. I never thought of them though they do a ton of advertising on the local rock station. Have you been there yourself?

slim · DUNDAS, ONT

Been there a few times mostly killing a few hours looking for stuff to use on a few projects . Kenny appears to be part of American Iron and metal so anything coming in across the scales gets stuck there for a bit before being scraped out. large chev , ford , mopar, section along with really large in port section. jag, Volvo, Saab, Ben's, BMW along with all the Asian mix. seems to get rotated on a regular basis . Really need a set plan if your looking for something or you will wander endlessly. if you come up short there is the other one off Barton smaller but fairly good selection

dualquadpete · BLACKSTOCK, ONT

Look for a W/C transmission [World Class] out of a Camaro!!!4 Cyl. S 10 & older 5 spds. won't hold up, poor brgs. & syncros & will "Grenade" if you pound them!!!! I went with a Tremec 5spd. in the Torpedoback, [ Expensive] but will hold the HP & hard shifting!! Pete

slim · DUNDAS, ONT

3 or 4 speed is still 1 to 1 final ratio. Lot of work to get to the same place. Diff running low 3s should give you decent highway speed and rpm .Other then me i dont see alot of column shifts out there set up right and with the slop taken out there as reliable as anything. The Chev MY6 and ford T170Ft from the 80s are a 3 speed OD and a popular swap but getting harder to find. there is a 170 at the upull but it will have the ford pattern. Not sure were the 348 likes to run rpm wise so your best bet would be to plug some numbers into a speed calculator so theres no surprises latter

I have 3 chev 3 speeds kicking around if theres a problem with yours if you can use one its yours need the space

-- Edited by slim on Sunday 28th of July 2013 10:12:05 AM

shag766 · FOXBORO, ONT

you really have to figure whether you want a 4 or 5 spd. there is a big difference in them. old school 4spd is side mounted shifter while 5spd is direct shift. 2 different animals. if you are thinking any track time go 4spd. i have a 5spd in my hemi coronet and i like it but for the track i doubt it.

..02 cents

Chris58 · WATERFORD, ONT

shag766 wrote:
you really have to figure whether you want a 4 or 5 spd. there is a big difference in them. old school 4spd is side mounted shifter while 5spd is direct shift. 2 different animals. if you are thinking any track time go 4spd. i have a 5spd in my hemi coronet and i like it but for the track i doubt it.

..02 cents

This car isn't destined for the track. I'm piecing this together on a shoestring, so whatever comes along and proves reliable and not a huge task to put in, that's where I'm going. It's currently a 3-on-the-tree so I'm at least partway there.

Thanks for all the tips folks.

BARRIE, ONTARIO

5 spd you wont regret it ..77.

shag766 · FOXBORO, ONT

Chris58 wrote:
shag766 wrote:
you really have to figure whether you want a 4 or 5 spd. there is a big difference in them. old school 4spd is side mounted shifter while 5spd is direct shift. 2 different animals. if you are thinking any track time go 4spd. i have a 5spd in my hemi coronet and i like it but for the track i doubt it.

..02 cents
This car isn't destined for the track. I'm piecing this together on a shoestring, so whatever comes along and proves reliable and not a huge task to put in, that's where I'm going. It's currently a 3-on-the-tree so I'm at least partway there.
Thanks for all the tips folks.

4spd will be the cheapest then as you already have the essentials with the 3spd. my 5spd was 3000.00 approx new and there was some fab work to do it.

Chris58 · WATERFORD, ONT

slim wrote:
3 or 4 speed is still 1 to 1 final ratio. Lot of work to get to the same place. Diff running low 3s should give you decent highway speed and rpm .Other then me i dont see alot of column shifts out there set up right and with the slop taken out there as reliable as anything. The Chev MY6 and ford T170Ft from the 80s are a 3 speed OD and a popular swap but getting harder to find. there is a 170 at the upull but it will have the ford pattern. Not sure were the 348 likes to run rpm wise so your best bet would be to plug some numbers into a speed calculator so theres no surprises latter
I have 3 chev 3 speeds kicking around if theres a problem with yours if you can use one its yours need the space

-- Edited by slim on Sunday 28th of July 2013 10:12:05 AM

Thanks Slim. This won't move along too quickly, but I will keep this in mind for sure. Just trying to gather pieces before pulling out the 235.

RacerRick · TORONTO, ONT

Just find a camaro T5, and change the tailshaft housing, and shift rail to an S10 T5 to get the shifter moved forward, and get a flat trans mount instead of the 20 degree angled one from the camaro.

Chris58 · WATERFORD, ONT

RacerRick wrote:
Just find a camaro T5, and change the tailshaft housing, and shift rail to an S10 T5 to get the shifter moved forward, and get a flat trans mount instead of the 20 degree angled one from the camaro.

I'm hearing these don't handle torque too well. Not that this 348 is a barn burner, I just don't want to have to re and re it if that's the case. What do you know of this little tid-bit?

shag766 · FOXBORO, ONT

ok here's what i got. Anybody got one they want to part with?

i am a hoarder and i have 3-4 muncies and a comp shifter. over time i have scooped them if the price was right. i know nothing about their condition but they are complete. the shifter is shifter only , no mounting plate. i can get a buck, buck and a quarter for the shifter fairly easy due to it being original to some mo-pars. 725.00 for the pair. i might have an old fenton shifter maybe, 700.00 for the combo.
it's time to face reality and get rid of some of this stuff. i can see it being in my estate auction if i don't. lol also if one is a crusher its not 4 sale. i haven't checked

-- Edited by shag766 on Tuesday 30th of July 2013 10:54:24 AM

-- Edited by shag766 on Tuesday 30th of July 2013 10:56:07 AM

RacerRick · TORONTO, ONT

I have a Ford T5 in my newly aquired 67' belvedere behind a strong 383. The good world class units are rated for something like 300ft-lbs, but they will take more reliably if you are only running street tires. I know more than a few 10 second 3300lb mustangs with stock T5's in them. They live if you don't power shift them. Usually they blow third gear up.

The stock shifter is not very good and will allow you to bend the shift forks because there are no shifter stops. Putting in a good hurst or similar unit will fix that issue. Also, I like to upgrade to a steel throwout bearing sleeve instead of the stock one.

The good G-force gears, and shaft are about $2250 and will make the trans good to about 600hp according to G-Force.

slim · DUNDAS, ONT

Comon swap between the camaro wc and s10 tailshaft lots of how to if you do a seach heres one

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=280529

This is the reson the MY6 swap is so popular shifter is as far forward as your going to get

-- Edited by slim on Wednesday 31st of July 2013 11:02:00 PM

wuga · PRINCE EDWARD COUNTY, ONT

www.britishv8.org/Articles/Borg-Warner-T5-ID-Tags.htm

Check this site for all t5's ever made. You will definitely want a World Class behind the 348. If you have bucket seats, no problem running a t5 from a Camaro or Monte Carlo with the shifter in the tail shaft. S10 units usually have extremely low first gear like 3.50 whereas the Camaro units generally have a 2.95 first gear. Every t5 has a brass tag on it similar to tags you find on carburators. Never buy a t5 without a brass tag. you can compare the number on the tag to the chart listed above and determine if it is a w/c or nwc. I would highly recommend finding a unit that was built for a HO Camaro. You will have a better chance of keeping it together. I have generally seen good units selling in the $700 range. If you are running something in the 3.23 rear gear range, I would definitely consider a T10 4 speed. This way, you won't have to butcher the floor or your rear trans mount and it will hold together better behind the 348's torque.

Chris58 · WATERFORD, ONT

What a great link! Thanks.

I'm swaying towards an M20 after talking to a pile of guys. (Front bench seat.) The T5 is a close second option. I've never done a manual tranny swap so I'm really NEW at this. Automatics no problem. I gotta get on this as I have some plans that all have to fall in place to make this all happen.

Thanks to all who pitched in their advice.

Chris

Sacotu · COBOURG, ONT

have a st10 in the truck now but here are 2 pics to give you reference for shifters

t5 and a st10 side by each. on the st10 the shifter is under the bench and has a large c shape to it. the t5 comes up ahead of the bench

2013-03-21 55 gmc 001.JPG

2013-03-26 55 gmc 004.JPG

give an idea of the shifter shape

2013-05-12 55 gmc super t10 shifter shaft 004.JPG

Chris58 · WATERFORD, ONT

Thanks Steve.

shag766 · FOXBORO, ONT

well i have to tell ya. the standard trans swap is a lot easier than auto and you have the hard part done. the clutch linkage and bell. you are gonna have-ta cut the floor. its been many-many yrs since i have done this but, its easier to cut more off the floor than it is to put it back. i can remember on the first 2 or 3 having a way to big of hole and hoping the boot will dull the noise, not. i can't comment on the t-5 stuff because i don't know if its side shift or top shift. not a big deal just means the hole is in a different spot. if it's nostalgic you are after then it's the muncie stuff. if its availability and maybe endurance then its the t-5 stuff.
i like the car, i had one of them. it was an impala with the 348 . for some stupid reason i switched the 348 for a massaged 327 and it wasn't the same. good for you. here's something, mine had the 59 caddie bullet tail lights put in in place of the stock ones. good luck bud.

Rochie · LONDON, ONT

Chris,
I run a Camaro T5 in the roadster with an S-10 shifter so you should have a pretty good idea where the shifter will fall in front of the bench. You will really like the T5 in that ol' chev, especially on the highway. If you want to BANG gears you need an aftermarket shifter with the built in stops. The one bad thing about a T5 is the shifter forks will bend if you slam gears.
Talk to me next weekend and I can explain a couple of things

Chris58 · WATERFORD, ONT

Rochie wrote:
Chris,
I run a Camaro T5 in the roadster with an S-10 shifter so you should have a pretty good idea where the shifter will fall in front of the bench. You will really like the T5 in that ol' chev, especially on the highway. If you want to BANG gears you need an aftermarket shifter with the built in stops. The one bad thing about a T5 is the shifter forks will bend if you slam gears.
Talk to me next weekend and I can explain a couple of things

Thanks bud. I hope to get a word in edgewise while you hold court with all the hep cats at the ELTA Bash. You haven't steered me wrong yet.

johnod · SOUTHERN ONTARIO

I have a WC T5 out of a Camaro, I'd part with.

Chris58 · WATERFORD, ONT

johnod wrote:

I have a WC T5 out of a Camaro, I'd part with.

PM'ing you....

slim · DUNDAS, ONT

Not sure if you found one yet. just seen this

http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-auto-parts-tires-transmission-drive-train-1967-Chevelle-or-1969-Camaro-Overdrive-4-Speed-Transmission-W0QQAdIdZ458490932

RacerRick · TORONTO, ONT

Is the trans rebuilt? Otherwise that is a pretty high price for one of those. The average price in the wrecking yards and swap meets is about $300. Make sure you get the shifter with it.

You need the bellhousing for a 5.125" input shaft which is a pickup truck bellhousing. It is an NP833OD with a chevy input shaft. It has a really deep first gear (3.09:1) and a decent overdrive (.70:1) and because of this it has a really wide gear spread. Not great for a performance car.

scruffre · COBOURG, ONT

slim wrote:
Not sure if you found one yet. just seen this
http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-auto-parts-tires-transmission-drive-train-1967-Chevelle-or-1969-Camaro-Overdrive-4-Speed-Transmission-W0QQAdIdZ458490932

That's the one I put in my Blazer. It's great if you are doing a lot of highway driving. In the Blazer, it's running 1700 at 100kmh with 308 gears. It's a little doggy at 50-60 kmh in 3rd (about 1500rpm)