king pin questions

34guy · MISSISSAUGA, ONT

king pin questions

slim · DUNDAS, ONT

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-- Edited by slim on Tuesday 17th of September 2013 11:58:00 PM

34guy · MISSISSAUGA, ONT

Changing the king pins on a 52 chev axle. Installing the new pins

Bushing are to size of pin already ,And bushing slips into spindle without to much effort,

I am happy with the fit of pin and bushing ,but somewhat concerned the bushing may spin in the spindle mis aligning the grease nipple hole .

Should the bushing be installed using lock tight or some other type of glue, epoxy?

This is how they were bought I haven't done anything other than take them out of the box

The old bushings had to be hammered out.

Bruce Rossiter · TORONTO, ONT

The bushings should be a press fit into the spindle. I have a set on Kijiji for sale and the measurement of the bushing is 1.312" long and the outer diameter is 1.052". This information is not to sell you my bushings but so you can measure your bushings or the spindle hole to see if you have an interference fit. It's possible your spindle is worn or the new bushings you have are too small in diameter.

flatblack55delivery · PORT HOPE, ONT

Ya that doesn't sound right to me like Bruce said they should have to be press fit not just slid in .Something wrong size there. Ed

34guy · MISSISSAUGA, ONT

bushings and pins are new kit ,first time I've seen the bushing fitted to the pin right out of the box,everything is new

flatblack55delivery · PORT HOPE, ONT

Can't picture how you would even install that as an assembly. Ed

Bruce Rossiter · TORONTO, ONT

34guy wrote:
bushings and pins are new kit ,first time I've seen the bushing fitted to the pin right out of the box,everything is new

The bushings I have also fit the king pin perfectly. If you want to drive to Scarboro, you're welcome to try fitting the bushings I have to see if they fit better.

BARRIE, ONTARIO

I thought you had to drive in the bushings in then hone the bushing if necessary to fit the pins afterwards . all the ones I,ve done were like that ., maybe 20 sets , various vehicles . I don't think a bushing that you can just put in by hand is right ?? Maybe your holes are out of round with age and pounding ??..77.

34guy · MISSISSAUGA, ONT

Haven't done a set in years, but alway's pressed the bushings in and reamed them to fit the pin.

first time I seen them fit the pin out of the box ,cant find anything to measure tonite and off to gravenhurst in the

morning but will get back to this thurs.

Bruce I will measure these bushings and get back to you thanks joe mac

Bruce Rossiter · TORONTO, ONT

77 wrote:
I thought you had to drive in the bushings in then hone the bushing if necessary to fit the pins afterwards . all the ones I,ve done were like that ., maybe 20 sets , various vehicles . I don't think a bushing that you can just put in by hand is right ?? Maybe your holes are out of round with age and pounding ??..77.

These Chevy bushings seem to be different then most others in that they are already honed to size. All the Ford king pins install the way you describe where you have to hone the bushing after pressing it into the steering knuckle. I have a Sunnen hone for fitting the bushings after installation.

slim · DUNDAS, ONT

1/2 ton chev slip in no reaming required . If you feel they slip in a bit two easy loctite retaining will work as will red permanent let it set up at least 24 hours if you want it to hold

34guy · MISSISSAUGA, ONT

Hey Bruce sent you a pm ,

hemi43 · ONTARIO

If you want to drive a bit further to Newcastle, I'll machine new bushings , press them in, then ream them to size with a bit of clearance for the pin. Or,you can install your current bushings with green Loctite bearing retaining compound.

-- Edited by hemi43 on Wednesday 18th of September 2013 09:04:40 AM

hemi43 · ONTARIO

If it's only loose a few thousands, then go the green loctite route. It's an easy, cheap permanent fix. It's exactly what this product was designed for. I have personally used this and it does work. Don't use red Loctite because it is a thread locker .

http://www.ebay.com/bhp/loctite-green

-- Edited by hemi43 on Wednesday 18th of September 2013 10:14:15 PM

34guy · MISSISSAUGA, ONT

Just got in and checked the bushings . They are the same size as the ones bruce has as well.

the outside dia. of the bushing is 1.052 the inside of the spindle is 1.053 - 1.054

all 4 of the holes are the same size so I doubt anything spun or is wore .

hemi43 · ONTARIO

Just put them in with the retaining compound. I guarantee they will not come out. It will fill gaps up to .015".

34guy · MISSISSAUGA, ONT

Hemi

Really appreciate the offer to fix the bushings , but now I am at a jumping off point of what to do

bring them to you or try green locktight, or red lock tight ,or jb weld

open to thought's and suggestions

34guy · MISSISSAUGA, ONT

Not worried that they will come out. Just worried they will spin and block off the grease nipple holes

34guy · MISSISSAUGA, ONT

Thanks Dan

I will look for the green locktite and go that route.

Again thanks for the offer to correct the problem had it been worse

Joe Mac

Bruce Rossiter · TORONTO, ONT

34guy wrote:
Not worried that they will come out. Just worried they will spin and block off the grease nipple holes

If your bushings are the same as the ones that I have, there's a groove on the outside diameter of the bushing that lines up with a hole on the inside of the bushing to provide lubrication to the king pin. From what I can tell, it doesn't seem to matter if the bushing revolves as long as it is held from going up and down.

34guy · MISSISSAUGA, ONT

Good point Bruce

Yes my bushing does have a groove around the backside of it. Thanks for your help as well Bruce .Sorry I cant take your bushings off your hands,Also would have been nice to meet another Ontario rodder thanks again joe mac

slim · DUNDAS, ONT

I installed same thing 10,000 k ago would of liked to see them tighter but went with the book ... floating... figured I bought them already, if they give me a problem ill make my own not a huge deal . still runs straight and the tires are wearing even. the weak link in this setup is the small outer wheel bearing 3/4 id . Finally broke down and installed the timkin roller bearing kit . CPP 4759RBK . Will see if they stand up any better then the old angular contact ball bearing cheap compared to the angular balls 120 or so for both wheels and seals but not any wear close to the freedom of resistance the balls provide 4000 pound truck on flat ground could easily be pushed by myself . but at 120 or so a wheel and knowing you will more then likely change an outer during the season worth a try. original balls part # B01 outer B52 inner . Back to the king pins make sure you check for the .005 thou clearance and shim the upper section its easier to slide them in the lower but they will get messed up faster. save the old ones that come out if they are OK because the Moog kit only provides the min required and its easier to reuse them then make new ones.

Bruce Rossiter · TORONTO, ONT

34guy wrote:
Good point Bruce
Yes my bushing does have a groove around the backside of it. Thanks for your help as well Bruce .Sorry I cant take your bushings off your hands,Also would have been nice to meet another Ontario rodder thanks again joe mac

No problem with the bushings as I'm sure someone will use them someday. I always get a kick out of trying to solve problems.

Joe, we have met a while ago when I bought a front end from you.

34guy · MISSISSAUGA, ONT

Bruce

I thought the name was familiar. That was a deal over on the Canadian rodders site.

I' be in touch to say hi but right now I have to get horizontal 3 late nights in a row and up at 5

Thanks again joe mac

34guy · MISSISSAUGA, ONT

Thanks to all for the information and insight hope to return the favour soon joe mac

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

some bushings i have seen are kept in place with the grease nipple, might be more reliable than loctite