The original owners of those cars still legally own them. You will have to track them down and get them to sign over the ownership to you. If you can't find the original owners, you will need to sign an affidavit through your lawyer stating how you acquired the vehicle and submit this to MTO. I had to do this a few years ago for an ATV that was given to me. Rules may have changed since then. My 2 cents
Depending what you would do with the cars.....This friend of yours should put a notice in the paper listing the vehicles and vin #,stating that if not picked up within a time limit,and money owed for storage and or work done, said vehicles will be sold. Or send out registered letters to the owners stating the same thing..Just recently I got a letter in the mail stating I owed on a car that had been at this guys shop in southern Ontario for the last few years...the guy had no title but ran the vin and I was the last registered owner,,so he sent me a letter.. I called him, and we chatted for a bit and he said he sent me the letter just to cover his ass legally..then told me not to worry about the letter..Being the last registered owner, he asked if I would send him a letter saying he now owned the car...to which I did..
Depending what you would do with the cars.....This friend of yours should put a notice in the paper listing the vehicles and vin #,stating that if not picked up within a time limit,and money owed for storage and or work done, said vehicles will be sold. Or send out registered letters to the owners stating the same thing..Just recently I got a letter in the mail stating I owed on a car that had been at this guys shop in southern Ontario for the last few years...the guy had no title but ran the vin and I was the last registered owner,,so he sent me a letter.. I called him, and we chatted for a bit and he said he sent me the letter just to cover his ass legally..then told me not to worry about the letter..Being the last registered owner, he asked if I would send him a letter saying he now owned the car...to which I did..
I believe this method is still the correct and legal method to follow, the shop owner is placing a lien on the vehicles for money owed, failing to pay whats owed puts him in the legal position to sell the cars.
Best go to the Lic. office & get the "low" down. I did this last yr. when thinking about buying a car on Kijiji with no ownership!!! Quite the process if I remeber best & think they said the seller would have to do the "leg" work to get the vehicle in his name 1st. or it opens a "CAN of Legal Worms" [ letters to last known owner, adds in papers etc.] if org. owner shows up & claims the car. Also bodyshop will have to pay taxes on car.[ in Ont.] This put me right off buying any vehicle with out correct papers being in order!!! Legal issues are astounding, can't just do the "ol Judge' bit anymore, doesn't work!! Pete
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Most licensing offices have a Commissioner of Oaths and you can do the affidavit right there for a set fee. I have done that with a number of my past vehicles. It has been about 5 years since I last did it. We all know how much the laws can change in that amount of time though LOL. The best thing to do is to go check directly with MTO.
-- Edited by carta on Tuesday 5th of November 2013 03:49:13 PM
If you purchased a car or frame and it came with one of those ownerships, then it would be correct to use that ownership to register that car or frame into your name. Most vehicles have the serial number stamped into the frame near or behind the steering box. Fords had the serial number on the engine block until about 1926. NOT on the frame.
If you were to restore that frame with new steel it would still be the correct frame to match that ownership, as long as you maintained the section where the serial number was stamped. That serial number might have to be stamped into a tag, affixed to the frame, for easier identification.
It would not matter what body was mounted on the frame, as long as the correct description was provided. i.e. 2dr or 4dr.
If you were to restore a project like this and if it had a 50's or 60's vintage engine in it that would be the correct engine, for the project as far as emissions requirements. You could get a bill of sale from the person, who's property the frame or vehicle has sat on for the last 40 or more years.
Maybe that helps a little.
the Kid
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the shop who has them can write you a receipt of sale, as long as none come up stolen that should be enough. as stated above, a lien can be placed on an abandoned car thus allowing said shop to dispose of to recover costs
The best way is for the shop owner to do a storage or Mechanic's lien. Its not hard, but he will have to prove the cars came to be worked on (work order) and have been abandoned for at least 90 days. There are a few other things you have to do that I cannot remember, but they were not very involved - maybe put the cars in the local paper with a notification or something like that.
My friend just did this for a car that the owner left at his shop for a year.
When I had my towing company I used the Environmental Protection Act to get ownership of cars/trucks I towed in and never got ownership papers . I think it was section 51 re Abandoned vehicles. I needed a Police Report to establish vehicle was abandoned, not stolen and last known address of registered owner of vehicle. It worked pretty slick. Never had a problem going that route.
Mechanic's Lien Act has been replaced by Repair & Storage Liens Act. There are steps you require to follow to claim one that way. Advertising, Auction, or you are open to owner returning and demanding car back.
If your grandfather, great uncle, neighbour had vehicle bearing that VIN on his property "for years" and can't find the ownership he can give you a letter indicating such and include it with your Sworn Affidavit.
Has the Light turned on Yet?
the Kid
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