Because ive been laid up as of late , ive been searchin Kijiji and ebay, and other sites that sell hot rods and musclecars as well as old cars we wouldnt have looked at 5 to 10 years ago...
1 thing ive noticed are the prices that have climbed in alot of cases are beyound normal joes....Most of us here are justworkin joes , bills,morgages,. some are comfortable ,some live cheque to cheque ..
Now im seeing common old cars that may have fresh paint are 25 grand,,now these cars that would have cost 10 grand not that long ago...i dont get it.....
muscle cars are well over priced...and hotrods - well now its now uncommon to see them 100-300 grand ....W T F
might be worse in 3 weeks when barret-jackson comes on T V ...every 1 sees this show and thinks their cars are worth jizzillions ....
Doesn't seem to matter the price as nothing is selling anyway.I have a nice Ventura and a BSA chopper for sale cheap and still no bites.I guess why there are so many trade offers now nobody has money for toys. Ed
I've been looking all winter for an old roller for ONDR, no luck so far. Some of these guys are asking stupid money for stuff that's beyond bringing back in my life time. I thought I had a line on a 77' nova for $800 but it was gone same day it was posted. I'll keep looking but I have no problem walking away at the first sign of BS.
what is consider the right price and over price ? when body shop want $6000.00 an more another minimum $3000.00 on the engine $2000.00 and more on interior ad chrome wheels tires etc and than you put it up for sale for $12000.00 and everybody wants it for $5000.00
I ain t to far behind I ll hit the 60 mark pretty soon ...and I don t get enjoyment in being alone in the garage and now this new health situation don t help ....I likely will get rid of most of them anyway over the next 5 years if I make it that far lollllllllllllllllllll
When people farm all their work out and b 4 they know it, they have 25-30 grandof which they will probably never get back...dont know bout you but im sure most people here on this site get their hands dirty , and probably have half into their cars then they would if all is farmed out....times are a little tight , people arnt spending the coin , buyers market
if times are tight and people aren t spending .................who is suppose to be the buyer ? I guess it s probably the one who wants it free or cheap
i keep seeing the same overpriced cars for sale all the time, and keep seeing them. i think some folk think that there are rich people trolling the want ads looking to dump 30000 on a car, maybe there is but i doubt it. the ones i really get a kick out of is the car thats a fiberglass fake with tons of pricey billet this and that and the dudes asking like 45000 but not one single part of the car is actually vintage.
if times are tight and people aren t spending .................who is suppose to be the buyer ? I guess it s probably the one who wants it free or cheap
There is a buyer for eveything; I have never not sold anything and sometimes it has taken me longer. If I bought it then someone else will. I think i am
more irritated with those who sit online and send irrational email replies to those selling for no reason. Seriously, who does that? We have all
had items online and someone low balls even when it s below value. I have even had stuff for free and had people insult me. While I laugh 99% and
click delete, its those emailing others that should be clicking next and not worry about over priced items. What made them an officiando on items? Who
made them the kijiji troll boss? Its pathertic low life COWARDS who email people low ball prices, or "Internet Warriors" as I call them who don't have the
Kahonies to stand in front of the person, make a fair honest cash offer but rather hide behind their keyboard as a COWARD and send malicious emails for
no reason other than to satisfy their own alma matter in them thinking they are right or. Sometimes these COWARDS forget to post a fake email and now
my time to return the favour, and have fun with them. Or just click delete and move on with my life as any normal human being should. I am the least bit
worried about peoples opinions on prices of items, cars or whatever i choose to sell otherwise I would post"please email me your opinion".
My last vehicle I purchased The fellow was asking an amount and I offered $200 less. I felt I was getting a fair price and paid accordingly. The vehicle
before that I paid asking price. Again, felt it was fair. You get what you give in life. Be a coward, get treated like one. Moving forward. Forgotten
I tend to try to place a value on what would it cost to duplicate that exact vehicle and price it accordingly. If the market doesn't support that price I guess I just hang on to it. Of course if my world gets tipped upside down....desperate times call for desperate measures!
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I'm just waiting for prices to crash to where they "should" be. Another 20 years maybe.
In another 20 years there will not be anyone left that wants our stuff. It'll all be rice burners. The way I see it, the price of "our type" of cars will drop like a rock, cuz the younger generation don't want the same type of vehicles.
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And this is an exactly what I said in another post. The hobby needs to grow and move forward. Closed mindedness will kill the hobby.
Change or mix the do whop out and mix it up. Invite imports to car shows and take a kid to a car show.
Your exactly right. Hobby will die if we continue this way.
We must be open and move forward
I been to some shows in FL and SoCal. The kids with tuners do it right. They party well
And don't be shocked. They live American muscle
And this is an exactly what I said in another post. The hobby needs to grow and move forward. Closed mindedness will kill the hobby. Change or mix the do whop out and mix it up. Invite imports to car shows and take a kid to a car show. Your exactly right. Hobby will die if we continue this way. We must be open and move forward I been to some shows in FL and SoCal. The kids with tuners do it right. They party well And don't be shocked. They live American muscle
ghost is right , I have seen peps like grumps who would think nothin of stuffin a little kid in his rod , thats what alotmore should do . Most of us were lucky to grow up in the era we did,, i grew up in the muscle era . My dad was a car guy so i lucked out there ...
Most scrap yards today are lucky to have a rwd car these days... I think the prices are chasing kids away today ...one thing i have noticed though next time your on kijiji change locations go to say Alberta and see the prices there ,, alot cheaper my friends...same cars just some what cheaper then here ( not in all cases, but i think most )
I do think we are a dying breed....how to fix,,who knows,
It's not just the vintage Americana Kev, this happens in Europe too.
I used to talk about this with my car buddy in Scotland. It works on a sliding scale. When the "cult" cars become financially un-obtainable, the next model becomes the new cult cat. For example, everyone wanted ONLY the 65 to 67 Mustang Fastback, and dismissed the coupe version as inferior, but then the Coupe became the only one anyone could afford, and it suddenly became "cool". I even see the Mustang 2 become sought after, and it's an ugly bar steward!!!
But I'm with Will on this, the only way to get things back to normallity is to increase the interest in the whole hobby with the younger generation, and not just the rich brats who watch fast and furious on their 80 inch plasma's in their bedrooms
There will always be the few who follow the road less traveled. If interest has died we only have our self's to blame. If price's fall all the more reason to throw that stupid feather duster into the trash and pull out what ever you got and drive it. My interest in customs came at an early age . Seeing the guy down the street cruise past with that hot rod or ridged sportster with drag bars I knew then Im going to be that guy. Now all you hear of are toys and that guy may move his primus out of the way to wash the dust off something really freaking cool before he hide's it away again .Its time for those of us that can to be THAT GUY. Get out and drive.
My kid is probably 1 of 1 in his shop class let alone school who is a true gear head.
If I am wrong and hope to god I am that there is more like my kid at 15.
When I was 15 everyone I knew was I to cars.
Now. Not barely any kid is.
I ask my kid why his answer why? His verbatim answer is " music sucks( do whop) kids are intrested in video games and some are lazy"
I guess I am lucky to have a boy into cars as I am.
His intrest is strong but not like mine was.
Now kids have social media, computers, and so much that is overwhelming not to mention trying to get good grades for college and future trade,
Girls and other hobbies. His car interest is only one of his many interests. Where as growing up as a teenager in the 80s all I thought about was cars.
Not much has changed.
I am really proud of my kid so far. Hates/loathes drugs and alcohol as I.
Money goes to his HOTROD. Girls in his eyes god in his heart. Can't ask for more
you sure aren t going to get the rice burners interested in older cars if you keep downgrading their rides and the effort they put in to custom them and hot rod them ....I m 60 years old and I ll drive one of those tuner cars anytime .....the effort has to be made by both side ............... so what even if he s got a kick ass stereo that s louder than the engine of your fifties car ..............his ride for him is worth just as much as your hot rod you build
Other then the few traditional freaks if anyone under 60 plans on building a car and plans to drive it. Are going to become a tunner or own a trailer queen . Racers 40 years ago would of killed for the technology out there today, not turn there back on it .
I ain t to far behind I ll hit the 60 mark pretty soon ...and I don t get enjoyment in being alone in the garage and now this new health situation don t help ....I likely will get rid of most of them anyway over the next 5 years if I make it that far lollllllllllllllllllll
I just turned 64 and still get a lot of joy working in the garage by my self. Bernice is in the house and I am in every hour or two for snacks/ meals, and the all important bath room. Since I have a lot of metal working tools I get to build and modify things.
I hear ya there Henry, also go for snack or another coffee, and yup the trip to the washroom. Lol
The funnest place for me also is in the workshop fixin , building or changing something.
My other hobby is model railroading ...has been since I was 9 .....and model railroaders are having the EXACT SAME DISCUSSION about their hobby/ kids/ lack of interest . It ain't happening , my friends , atleast not anywhere like it was back in the day be it rods , trains , model planes etc . Let's just enjoy these things while we are here and let everyone else look after themselves . You can't force anyone in to liking a particular hobby . These days , most kids play video games 24/7 or some variation thereof . Frankly , I don't give a rat's behind if they do/don't get into street rods . I can't control that ....I just look after my own interest in cars and similar friends .
I'm seeing the same thing happening on old antique engine forums.
Horrendously high prices, but don't think many are selling for that.
And,,,,,,,,, What young kid is going to want an old flywheel engine?
My kid is probably 1 of 1 in his shop class let alone school who is a true gear head. If I am wrong and hope to god I am that there is more like my kid at 15. When I was 15 everyone I knew was I to cars. Now. Not barely any kid is. I ask my kid why his answer why? His verbatim answer is " music sucks( do whop) kids are intrested in video games and some are lazy" I guess I am lucky to have a boy into cars as I am. His intrest is strong but not like mine was. Now kids have social media, computers, and so much that is overwhelming not to mention trying to get good grades for college and future trade, Girls and other hobbies. His car interest is only one of his many interests. Where as growing up as a teenager in the 80s all I thought about was cars. Not much has changed. I am really proud of my kid so far. Hates/loathes drugs and alcohol as I. Money goes to his HOTROD. Girls in his eyes god in his heart. Can't ask for more
With the exception of the music at cruise nights my son is in the same vote as yours. Other kids in his tech classes are there just because they think it is an easy credit. They don't try , and don't care. There are few nowadays that know or will know how to do anything with there own two hands whether it be household repairs, automotive or what ever. They will get a rude awakening when they find out that that great paying general labour job of 18.00/hr doesn't pay the bills. JUst my .05 cents
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There are a few good comments , the hobby is about having fun and building something to drive race enjoy etc.
I know guys that have sunk lots into stuff and get half back...oh well its not a buisness its a passion.I am there and dont care about recouping every last buck.This is my only real hobby so hey im having a blast.
There are quality cars and the mop and glow variety with bad desgn/paint/underhood nightmare and unsafe engineering.
I can pick out a Kijiji warrior in a heartbeat,bought it for x and after a year or 2 im doubling it because i think its worth this much. Its obvious but nice try to those experts .
A real nice piece within reason will bring the cash eventually but times are changing so enjoy your investment and realize a loss will have to be expected when its listed.
The topic of next generation ,well unless a young guy has the income building a nice car isnt going to happen.
I would rather see a education and established career start then the luxury of of having a rod can happen.
My sons and there countless buddies would love to go in the direction of something older but they all know its about starting a life moving out and growing up .The world is a different animal now but i do see some intrest with a youger crowd..cross our fingers.
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Life changes quick. Education is very important to us. Its first on the list. . Glad my kid has his education on track first. Life can change in an instant. You can get hurt, get sick and so on. Im glad he has planned and head and knows what can happen. He has seen first hand how work, health, friends can change in a second. (1 less problem).He is a smart kid.
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I'm just waiting for prices to crash to where they "should" be. Another 20 years maybe.
In another 20 years there will not be anyone left that wants our stuff. It'll all be rice burners. The way I see it, the price of "our type" of cars will drop like a rock, cuz the younger generation don't want the same type of vehicles.
Exactly - this is where my comment stems from.
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I made it very plain as well to my son Ben that if his marks drop and he doesn't stay on the honour role.....his shop time and project stop. No if's ands or buts. I must also say that there are great people on this site that have been a great encouragement to my son when they meet him and have said kind words about his project even though it is "new" by most peoples standards. The guys on this site are not just talking about it but are trying to get the next generation involved. This was also very plain to see at Grumps Christmas party. Ben had a great time conversing with all the great Hotrodders there and will remember it for a long time to come. So hats off to the rodders who are trying to make a difference in the future of the hobby. The ELTA boys from London made a good impression on him as well and we both look forward to that adventure next year.
OH yeah and I looked at a lot of junk this year (mainly Novas of the 2nd generation) that needed to be completely rebodied that were very over priced. I would have had 8-10 grand into them before even turning a wrench by the time I bought the car and the replacement body panels and some paint materials.
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I have my dad's car listed on Kijiji for what we believe is a very reasonable price considering what is invested in it. I get numerous offers every day of guys wanting to buy it for $6000, comparing it to other cars priced at $8000 which are projects. " Oh but the other car for $8000 has a 440 in it " ... I really don't give 2 ****s what it has , if you want a 440 project go buy it , don't waste my time . I received a pretty rude email the other day by someone I believe is a member of this website because he posted the same type of comment on here in the past, but the guy didn't have the balls to put his real email address or to call. I'll guarantee the person wouldn't have the nuts to say something similar when face to face with someone else.
My point is, don't waste someone else's time by making rediculous offers. If you don't think the car is worth it move on and find one that is in your price range. If you think you can build it for cheaper , build one for cheaper. Just remember that the price of everything has gone up. The $50 part from 10 years ago is now $100. Less people building , less profits for manufacturers. The manufacturers don't swallow up the slump in sales ...they just pass on the extra charges so they can stay afloat.
I have my dad's car listed on Kijiji for what we believe is a very reasonable price considering what is invested in it. I get numerous offers every day of guys wanting to buy it for $6000, comparing it to other cars priced at $8000 which are projects. " Oh but the other car for $8000 has a 440 in it " ... I really don't give 2 ****s what it has , if you want a 440 project go buy it , don't waste my time . I received a pretty rude email the other day by someone I believe is a member of this website because he posted the same type of comment on here in the past, but the guy didn't have the balls to put his real email address or to call. I'll guarantee the person wouldn't have the nuts to say something similar when face to face with someone else.
My point is, don't waste someone else's time by making rediculous offers. If you don't think the car is worth it move on and find one that is in your price range. If you think you can build it for cheaper , build one for cheaper. Just remember that the price of everything has gone up. The $50 part from 10 years ago is now $100. Less people building , less profits for manufacturers. The manufacturers don't swallow up the slump in sales ...they just pass on the extra charges so they can stay afloat.
Thats exactly what I said earlier....What makes them the oficciando to email me or others? What makes them so friggin special. Who cares?Get a life.
Why people worry about other peoples items is beyond me. Click next and mind your own damn business as we both said here. Come to my house. Look me
square in the eye and make a honest offer. Don't be a friggin coward.
and NorthernRatRodder...I probably got the same email from the Coward myself about an item I have for sale now on kijiji.
I have bought and sold so much on kijiji. 99% of others have zero problem buying from me and if I am buying and see an ad which I think is overpriced...I click next, I have real issues in life to deal with than some person trying to sell an item. No one is not guilty of flipping. EVERYONE has done it. Yes Everyone.
The internet has given way to all kinds of anonymous crap so we might as well get used to it . The guy emailing you could be a 12 year old in mom's basement but there is no way of knowing . I work at an RV dealer , here in the Windsor area , and I would say 70% of the emails are time wasters , but I have to answer them . I usually ask them a question that will force a reply . If they answer my question , they tend to be serious . It's a pain in the butt , guys , just don't waste time on the idiots . You'll eventually find the right guy to talk to . If the guy wants to start making offers ( will you take ...? ) without discussing the vehicle , you have a time waster .
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The internet has given way to all kinds of anonymous crap so we might as well get used to it . The guy emailing you could be a 12 year old in mom's basement but there is no way of knowing . I work at an RV dealer , here in the Windsor area , and I would say 70% of the emails are time wasters , but I have to answer them . I usually ask them a question that will force a reply . If they answer my question , they tend to be serious . It's a pain in the butt , guys , just don't waste time on the idiots . You'll eventually find the right guy to talk to . If the guy wants to start making offers ( will you take ...? ) without discussing the vehicle , you have a time waster .
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I have had my own vehicle advertised on Kijiji for some time,..lots of trade offers,..( and some real good ones I might add ),..but not what I am looking for in regards to another ( toy ) car.
I have only had 8 actual phone calls however,..and out of the 8 calls,..6 calls were just elderly,.1960's era rodders,... who wanted nothing more than to talk hot rodding "back in the old days". What do you do with guy's like that ??,...Exactly - you sit there and you listen to what they have to say,..and it generally ends up being a very interesting conversation in my case,..as they have seen my car advertised..and they too are refering to building up old Model A's. I got some instant flashbacks on a few occasions during some of the conversations in regards to Parts used in builds back in the day. I thought I had a "one off / original" idea, back in 1963 when I used a 283 Chevy, with a 2 speed power glide tranny,..and using the original Model A Radiator,..no transmission cooler lines outlets. I rounded up an Oil Cooler off of one of the old derilect Harvard Aircraft that sat out at the Tillsonburg airport, and mounted it onto the frame for a tranny cooler,..worked like a charm,..I had forgot all about that unit, until one old gent I got a call from, down in Mississauga, stated that he went the same route with his 283 powered w / auto. Model A, back about the same time. We both got a good laugh out of that as we both figured we were the only ones that came up with the idea back then. I could sit and listen to those guy's all day,..it's interesting to say the least.
Sadly,..the other two calls were from a couple dudes that wanted to know nothing more than " How did you come up with (that) price that you are asking for your car ?? ",..and ,..." What they have built in the past,..( and much cheaper than I did ),..and how they would have built it had it been them building my car ". Personally, I couldn't make any sense out of building up a brand new "used car",. so I went with everything brand new, or completely rebuilt,..and seeing as how I don't rebuild engines,..transmissions, or rearends,..I had to pay to have all of that done also. Those two dip****$ must have been twin brother's because they could not comprehend why,..anyone building up a hot rod would not just go to a scrap yard and pick up an engine , tranny, and rear,..and drop it in. I know lots of guys who have done that,..and had very good luck with their installations, and I did it myself back in the old day's using used parts with a kerosene cleaner,/ and rattle can rebuild..but that wasn't my plan when I started my project and I wasn't going to deviate from building what I wanted,..I have a lot of cash invested in the car, but I also knew from the begining that I would never get out of it what I have invested in it. The car is for sale,.. and I have a mind set much like many of the other members in this forum,...if it sells, fine,..if it don't thats fine too, it's not a forced or fire sale,..I want a mid '30's Coupe, and if I come across one that I want, I will own it, and a Model A,..nothing wrong with having a spare ride in the stable,..plus it saves a lot of time not having to spar with some of these dudes with a $3000 budget looking to buy a $30,000. car. You are absolutely right about the guy's who start the conversation off with " Will you take,............",..( sight unseen ),...just wasting their dime and your time.
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I would suggest you TRY to separate your emotion for the vehicle out of a possible sale situation , if you can . Not easy ...you've put a lot of time and effort into the car , but the would be buyer ( assuming he has a brain ) is doing comparables with other similar vehicles . This is where you have to know your car 100% and hit the guy between the eyes with the "new parts vs. used parts " discussion . If you can't build VALUE into the discussion you are lost and it just becomes an argument about $$$ and a waste of time .
As for the "old guys " , most have the money , they just don't want to part with it . Even if they aren't buying , you treat them well and they just might tell the story to someone else who IS buying . I've been in retail for 25 years and you learn how to listen to what people are really looking for . They will tell you it's price and sometimes it is ....most times I think it's value .
I will be 63 in March and I spend 5 to 6 hours a day plugging away on my Olds. I like to build my own cars and do it all myself. When my car is done I should be able to sell it for a small profit not counting my labor which I consider as therapy
to keep from going insane during the long winter.
If you dont like working on your own car you have to be willing to either pay someone else to work on your car to build it or buy one done. The best bet is to buy one done as most sell for less than it costs to build.
Just because a guy is asking 25k doesnt mean that is the price. If the guy really wants to move a car he will drop his price as it is not a sellers market but rather a buyers market. Like was mentioned figure out the value by the cost of parts to build and make a reasonable offer. There are actually some good buys out there.
I had a decent running/driving model A for sale about 4 yrs ago ,,,well this mustang guy toronto way called i was asking 8500 I wont mention this guys name ,, called said hed give 5000 and hes gonna pick up next day ,,,i said no and he proceded to give me a lesson in prices and hes an expert ....so got to the point over next several emails when i told him car not for sale to him even at asking price ......i probably had 15 ugly emails from him after ...any 1 else run into this issue...
Second thought This guys name was Dennis Needam , i just looked up his emails to me , total dick
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HemiKev , my guess is the guy was intending to flip it and make a profit at his end ....big difference in the deal . You can try to find out from a prospective buyer what he intends to do . If he's keeping it to drive , he may pay up . If he's going to flip it , he'll probably try to hammer you right away .....make the conversation short just for your own sake .
A buddy of mine buys and sells 3 or 4 cars each year ....majority from Michigan , mostly 60's vehicles ( he prefers GM ). He knows his stuff and looks for vehicles that only need detailing , no heavy work since he doesn't have a facility . I like the way he talks to the car owners ....looks carefully and asks a lot of questions ( first one - DO YOU HAVE the TITLE ) . The guy shows no disrespect in the price negotiation and keeps the dialogue friendly ...if there's no deal , he thanks the guy and leaves , possibly following up later . Been doing this for years .