Im piecing together a 40-47 Ford PU out of spare parts I have around and there are no numbers to be found on the cab or frame. What is the best way to get an ownership?
sounds like this company is doing the legwork for you, but judging by the info they want, you are the one doing the leg work, you should just go to the ministry and ask them what you have to do to get an ownership, it might not be that difficult
It should not be that hard. Go to the MTO, tell them what you are doing. They will ask how/where you got the parts, bring receipts and pics with you.
You will need to apply for a new VIN and ownership. You will be taxed on the value of the vehicle in its current state, you may need an MTO appraisal, (this will also help confirm the vehicle make/type)
But your best bet, go and ask. Its much cheaper then buying "Historical documents" and its legal.
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Thanks for jumping in Brian and proving its not that hard to do this . Basicly thats what the bailiff office is doing in the add Carl posted . They could be a bit more up front though as it says 200 + costs if you dig through they say average 250 in cost so thats about how much you would put out if you did the footwork yourself. ether way still a fair price and 200 extra isn't outrages for those that don't want the hassle.
Sheriffs/bailiffs office also deal with these people on a regular basis and know the law likely better then the person at the mto. making it much harder to get the run around.
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Stupid ,unworkable,government regulations make people from all walks of life into "criminals" not just hotrodders.Don't tell me all the holeyer than thou members on this forum make out HST cheques to rev.can for all there swapmeet purchases,and I'll bet nobody here has ever participated in the underground economy.What about speeding or running a yellow or fudging the truth at a border crossing.How many things could you get busted for in an average day if you were constantly being watched.We would all have the tag "known to police" you have all heard that one on TV news haven't you.Who are these people who are comitting the hanious crime of trying to regester a car hurting.They are going to pay taxes on the transfur,they are going to pay tax on the licence,they are going to pay tax on the gas,the parts they buy.These cars and owners will probably participate in charity events.I would think the government would make it as easy as possible to rejester a vehicle.Its probably the ins. cos that have there hand in this because it seems to be a win win for the government.More taxes and less paper work(costs). Ed
This to me has nothing to do with tax or following the rules or doing the right thing. Bottom line is you don't build your house on sand and only a fool would spend time and money building something That they can't prove it belongs to them. If you know anyone who has been building custom bikes for the last 25 or 30 years , run your scheme past them and see what they think. I've spent some close and personable time with the head of the OPP and toronto bike squad wanting to fry my ass for a lot less Got off cheap it only cost 10 grand to prove them wrong. Got a full custom with less then 400 miles on it all back in pieces with acid splashed over most of it . Still pisses me off 30 years latter. One of these guys in a half drunken stupor would impound your car and you would never see it again with the crap I've seen going on. Talks cheep Until you get your ass thrown in jail for bull $citt. So dont try to tell me what can happen or what you think you can get away with. Going the legal route does not come with any guarantees from malicious persecution but even if you piss them off they don't want to work that hard and will hassel the next guy. Cover your ass , its way easier and cheaper.
To get an appraisal for your car/parts, all you need to do is contact a licenced car salesman, and he can do one up for you. Most will charge $25-50. If you have a problem finding one, just PM me.
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Registering a Vehicle in Ontario
About “Street Rods / Hot Rods” The Ministry of Transportation (MTO) does not have any specific registration requirements for Street Rods under the Highway Traffic Act. Furthermore, we do not have any legal definition of either "street rod" or "hot rod", nor does MTO record this on vehicle permits.
However, the Ministry of the Environment, solely for the purposes of emission inspection requirements under the Drive Clean program, has a legal definition of "hot rod"
Hot Rod: a motor vehicle in which the original motor has been replaced with a motor of a type not installed by the manufacturer on that model year of motor vehicle.
Reference: Ontario Regulation 361-98, made under the Environmental Protection Act - Motor Vehicles http://192.75.156.68/DBLaws/Regs/English/980361_e.htm
Classic Vehicles - Historic Vehicles The term "classic" or "custom" cars are not defined by MTO, nor are either of these terms used on vehicle permits.
If by classic, you mean an antique, vintage or historic motor vehicle, certain antique vehicles are eligible for special licence plates. Owners of "historic vehicles" (model year 30 years ago or older) are eligible to purchase the reduced-fee, limited use "HVA" historic licence plates, or to apply to use vintage "Year of Manufacture - YOM" licence plates.
Custom Vehicles - Kit Cars / Rebuilt Vehicles With respect to custom cars, the Ministry of Transportation does have specific registration requirements for kit cars and rebuilt vehicles. Information on registration requirements for a kit car or rebuilt vehicle is below.
Kit Cars Definition: a complete body of a motor vehicle, not including an engine, chassis or drive train. Kit body is a replica of an existing or vintage motor vehicle.
Kit cars are registered in Ontario as: V.I.N.: Assigned as "ASD" if no 17 -digit V.I.N. on dashboard of kit body Make: Manufacturer of kit Model: KIT Model Year: Year that the kit car was completed and registered with the ministry. If there is not an existing 17-digit V.I.N. on the dashboard, you may request the licence office to provide you with a ministry assigned V.I.N., which you should affix to the dashboard. A V.I.N. is needed before you can obtain a Safety Standards Certificate.
Rebuilt Vehicle Constructed using various main component parts (body, chassis or frame) obtained from other vehicles or from auto wreckers, dealers or manufacturers, and whose vehicle identification number (V.I.N.), make, model or model year has been affected by this reconstruction. Rebuilt vehicles are registered in Ontario as: V.I.N.: Of body of the vehicle (CHASSIS/FRAME V.I.N. is not used). If there is no longer an existing V.I.N. on the dashboard, you may request the licence issuing office to provide you with a ministry - assigned as RBT V.I.N., which you should affix to the dashboard. A V.I.N is needed before you can obtain a Safety Standards Certificate. MAKE: Manufacturer of body of the vehicle (CHASSIS/FRAME manufacturer is not used) MODEL: RBT MODEL YEAR: Year that the motor vehicle car was rebuilt and registered with the ministry.
Homemade Vehicle Constructed without using manufactured main components (e.g. body and chassis / frame both made from scratch), and therefore has no V.I.N. NOTE: This designation is primarily for homemade trailers, constructed by the owner.
Homemade vehicles are registered in Ontario as:
V.I.N.: assigned "HOM" MAKE: HOME MODEL: HOM MODEL YEAR: Year the homemade vehicle was built and registered with the ministry.
Kit cars are not homemade vehicles, for registration purposes
Kit car owners should be aware of a problem with the misuse of the "homemade" classification in registering their motor vehicles.
There have been a number of kit cars which have been incorrectly registered in the past as "homemade," and it appears that this is usually because of the owner misusing the term "homebuilt vehicle" on the notarized affidavit filed with MTO.
Please note that there is no such term on vehicle permits as "homebuilt," and the term "homebuilt" should not be used on notarized affidavits filed with MTO, as it does not properly describe the vehicle, or the origin of the major component parts.
Furthermore, if your kit car is incorrectly registered as model "HOM" instead of model "KIT", you will not be eligible for any exemption from the Drive Clean inspection requirement.
The only motor vehicles which should be registered as "homemade" by MTO, are motor vehicles where both the body and the chassis/frame have been completely constructed by the owner from scratch, without the benefit of a kit or a guide for assembly of the parts, or the purchase of a specialty frame or kit body, or a guide to construct the kit body and/or frame.
Correcting Permit From Model "Hom" (Or Other) To Model "KIT" If a kit car has been incorrectly registered as model "HOM", to correct the registration, it will be necessary to file a new notarized affidavit with MTO. The new affidavit must properly identify the vehicle as a "KIT," and clearly state the name and address of the manufacturer of the kit or kit body, and also the V.I.N. for the chassis, if the chassis was taken from another vehicle, and the name and address of the previous owner of the chassis. If a specialty frame was used in the construction, instead of using a chassis from another used motor vehicle, this must also be stated in the affidavit, and you must give the name and address of the manufacturer of the specialty frame. If the specialty frames does not have a V.I.N., this should also be stated. We will also need the serial number of the engine and what vehicle it was taken from (make, model year and V.I.N.) and the name and address of the previous owner.
V.I.N. Requirements Assigned vehicle identification numbers (VINs) are issued for three groups of vehicles: rebuilt motor vehicles, kit cars, and homemade vehicles (NOTE: most of these are homemade trailers).
The prefix for a rebuilt vehicle VIN is RBT, for a kit car, ASD, and for a homemade vehicle, HOM. In all cases where an assigned VIN is required, the documentation required for registration would include a sworn affidavit (statutory declaration), describing where the main component parts (body, chassis/frame and engine, if applicable) were obtained, the reason that an assigned VIN is required, and a statement that the applicant is the legal and rightful owner of the completed vehicle.
Kit Car If a kit car does not have a 17-digit vehicle identification number (V.I.N.) on the dashboard, MTO will assign a V.I.N. starting with "ASD" at the time the owner brings in the notarized affidavit for the vehicle, and registers it as "unfit" and unplated. The owner then gets the safety standards certificate using the ASD V.I.N.
Rebuilt Vehicle For a rebuilt vehicle where the body V.I.N. cannot be determined, MTO will assign a 17 digit V.I.N. starting with "RBT" at the time the owner brings in the notarized affidavit for the vehicle, and registers it as "unfit" and unplated. The owner then gets the safety standards certificate using the RBT V.I.N.
Registration Requirements for Kit Cars / Rebuilt Vehicles The following items should be presented at any at any independently operated Driver and Vehicle Licence Issuing Office in Ontario: http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/issoff.htm
1. Completed Application for Registration (SR-LV-6)
2. A notarized affidavit. Refer to the information below for details that must be stated on affidavit.
3. Photocopies of bills of sale/receipts for main components (i.e.body, chassis/frame, engine, etc.), if available.
4. Permit(s) for vehicle(s) used to rebuild vehicle (for rebuilt/kit vehicle), if available.
5. Safety Standards Certificate for a passenger/commercial vehicle or a motorcycle. http://192.75.156.68/DBLaws/Regs/English/900611_e.htm Please see MINIMUM SAFETY STANDARDS FOR ON-ROAD USE, below, for complete list of required equipment.
6. A Drive Clean Vehicle Emissions Pass Report is required for rebuilt vehicles, but not for kit cars. Effective January 1, 2002, kit cars (MODEL "KIT") are exempted from the Drive Clean program.
For more information on Drive Clean requirements, contact the Drive Clean Office at: Ministry of the Environment, Drive Clean Office, 40 St. Clair Ave. West - 4th Floor, Toronto, Ontario, M4V 1M2, TEL: 1-888-758-2999 OR (905) 837-5839. Web site: http://www.driveclean.com/
7. Proof of empty weight.
8. Canada Customs Form or documentation with Customs Clearance stamp for parts (e.g. body of vehicle) which were obtained outside Canada. For more information on importation, please call the Registrar of Imported Vehicles at 1-888-848-8240 or (416) 626-1803, e-mail:mailto:info@riv.ca or visit their web site: http://www.riv.ca
9. Eight percent retail sales tax (RST) on the declared value of the completed vehicle. For parts you have already paid RST on, the bills of sale must be attached to the notarized affidavit as proof. For more information, please contact: your local Retail Sales Tax field office, or: Ministry of Finance, Retail Sales Tax Branch, Toll-Free Across Canada: 1-888-285-7815 or (905) 433-6170.
10. Fees: (a) To register the vehicle and attach plates when the vehicle owner has his/her own plates $10.00; (b) For new plates and permit $20.00. Note: For plate validation, the owner will be required to buy validation from the date of vehicle registration to the assigned validation expiry date. Fees will be calculated according to the class of vehicle and declaration(s) (e.g. Northern Ontario Resident).
11. Proof of identity for applicant who has never registered a plate or vehicle with the ministry.
Notarized Affidavit Requirements A notarized affidavit is a sworn statement (also called a Statutory Declaration) made before a Commissioner of Oaths or a Notary Public. It is needed to establish vehicle ownership of the major component parts (body, chassis/frame and engine) used in the vehicle's reconstruction, and to provide a full vehicle description. All independently operated Ontario Driver and Vehicle Licence Issuing Offices may accept affidavits. http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/issoff.htm
Contents 1. Full legal name, address and signature of person making the declaration
2. Vehicle description - minimum requirements: make, model, model year, body type and class). If you are attaching permits and/or bills of sale for the component parts, please mention this. Where permits or bills of sale are not available, you must include the V.I.N.s and descriptions of all vehicles from which main component parts have been taken, and list previous owner information for such vehicles . 3. Vehicle Identification Number (V.I.N.), or a statement that a ministry approved/assigned V.I.N. will be used
4. Year vehicle was rebuilt/completed
5. Statement that the vehicle was built with a kit, or is a kit car, by the legal owner of the vehicle, if applicable
6. Statement that the applicant is the legal and rightful owner, has the right to register the vehicle described, and how ownership was obtained.
Kit Car Notarized Affidavit Q & A's 1. What information does the Ministry of Transportation (MTO) require in the notarized affidavit about the kit car body (fibreglass or sheet metal body)?
Please provide the name, address, city, and province/state/country of the person or company where you purchased the kit car body, as well as the exact date of purchase [month, day and year]. The purchase date stated in your affidavit must match the date on the invoice/bill of sale for the kit car body.
2. If the previous owner/seller of the kit car body did not actually manufacture the kit car, what information does MTO require about the kit car manufacturer?
If the person or company who sold you the kit car body was NOT the actual manufacturer of the body, please list the name and address of the kit car manufacturer in your affidavit (documentation from the kit car manufacturer about the kit car may be attached to the affidavit, if available). The first four letters of the kit car manufacturer's name will be the MAKE of your kit car. The MAKE will need to be corrected, as well as correcting the MODEL to KIT, if the MAKE does not match the name of the kit car manufacturer.
3. Should I send in photographs of the kit car or copies of its specifications?
Please do not send in photographs of the vehicle. Photographs are not legal proof of the origin of the vehicle parts. As legal proof, MTO needs the complete vehicle description and where you got the parts listed in the affidavit. The only specification documents needed are documents listing the name and address of the kit car manufacturer, the name of the kit, and the vintage vehicle it is a replica of, if applicable.
4. Can I use the model year, make and model of the vehicle the kit car is a replica of, on the vehicle permit (e.g. 1923 Model T-bucket)?
No. A kit car is not a genuine antique or historic vehicle, even if a number of original antique or vintage parts were used in its construction. MTO is responsible for providing accurate information on our vehicle records, to support law enforcement and consumer protection. Using the model year, make and model of an antique or historic vehicle for registering a kit car could be considered fraud or misrepresentation. A notarized affidavit is a sworn statement, and you are liable for any fraudulent statements made in the affidavit. As vehicle description information, please do include in the affidavit, what make, model and model year the kit car is designed as a replica of.
5. Why can't I have the historic or antique model year, make and model on the vehicle permit, when this would make my vehicle more valuable, or would qualify my car for a special auto insurance rate?
A vehicle permit is designed to describe a vehicle accurately, not to determine its value. For problems obtaining affordable auto insurance, please contact the Financial Services Commission of Ontario (FSCO) for assistance at 1-800-668-0128 or (416) 250-7250. If you need proof of the kit car's actual value, you may wish to obtain an independent appraisal of the vehicle, from an appraiser knowledgeable about specialty and classic cars. Appraisals are recognized by insurance companies for evaluating insurance rates, and they can also be used to show potential purchasers of the vehicle.
6. What information does MTO need if I constructed the kit body myself ("homebuilt")?
If you made the body yourself [e.g. you purchased sheet metal panels to construct the body, and mounted it on a custom built or specialty frame/chassis], please explain in the affidavit exactly how you constructed the body and where [name, address, purchase date] you purchased the materials for the body. Attach the bill(s) of sale/invoice(s) for all materials used in the construction of the body. If you used a kit as a guide to construct the body, or used a specialty frame to construct the kit, this is still considered a kit car, and the MAKE will be whoever is the maker of the kit used as a guide to construct the vehicle. The kit maker is considered the manufacturer in this case, and MTO needs the name and address of the kit maker, and the date [month, day and year] you purchased the kit.
7. Do I need to list everything about the origin of the parts in the affidavit, when I have already attached copies of the bills of sale/invoices which give you that information?
Yes. The notarized affidavit is legal proof that you own the completed kit car, and you are making a sworn statement about where and when you obtained or purchased all the main component parts, and when you completed construction of the vehicle. The bills of sale/invoices are in support of the statements you have given in the affidavit, and the affidavit must be complete and accurate. MTO microfilms the affidavit and all your attached bills of sale/invoices and other documentation as a permanent record of this vehicle, for law enforcement purposes, and for the information of potential future owners of this vehicle.
8. Does MTO need the bills of sale for every part used to construct the kit car?
MTO needs to know from whom you purchased the materials used for the body, the chassis (a.k.a. frame), and the engine. You must give a reason in the affidavit why you don't have a bill of sale (e.g. bill of sale was lost, vendor didn't give you a receipt, etc.) for any one of, or any materials used in construction of, the three major component parts. Please also explain in the affidavit why any information is missing as to the name and address of the vendor or the date of purchase. If you bought these parts from a wrecking yard or an auto parts flea market, and the bill of sale is not available, MTO still needs the name and address of the wrecking yard or flea market and the date you purchased the parts. Please do not attach a Certificate of Origin, Title or NVIS, unless this is your only proof of purchase, and you do not have a bill of sale or invoice for the part in question. If you must use one of these three documents, please state in the affidavit which part of the vehicle it is for [e.g. kit car body], and clearly state that it is not for a completed vehicle.
9. What vehicle identification number (VIN) information is needed for the kit car body on the notarized affidavit?
Most kit car bodies do not have a VIN on the dashboard, or if there is a kit car VIN, it is not a 17-digit VIN, which complies with the VINA standards for VINs. Unless your kit car has a 17-digit VIN, MTO will give your vehicle an assigned 17-digit VIN starting with "ASD". If there is an existing kit car VIN, please list it in the affidavit. If there is no VIN, please mention that the kit car body does not have a VIN. If your kit car already was given a "RBT" or "HOM" VIN at the time of the original registration by the issuer, (kit cars should always be given an "ASD" assigned VIN) MTO will not change the existing VIN, we will just change the model to "KIT." Please mention the existing "ASD", "RBT" or "HOM" VIN in the affidavit, if applicable.
10. What vehicle identification number (VIN) information is needed for the chassis or frame on the notarized affidavit?
If the chassis (frame) used in the construction of the kit car has a VIN, you must include the chassis VIN in the affidavit, and also the model year, make and model of the vehicle where the chassis was taken from. MTO will also need the name, address of the previous owner of the chassis and the purchase date, and attach the bill of sale/invoice for the chassis. Please also attach to the affidavit, the vehicle permit for the chassis, if it is available. NOTE: The chassis VIN will not appear on the vehicle permit, but it is needed as background vehicle description information on the affidavit.
If the chassis/frame is a specialty frame without a VIN, please explain this in the affidavit, and the name, address and purchase date both of the vendor, and the name and address of the specialty frame manufacturer, if it is different from the vendor. If the chassis was custom built for a specific purpose or use, such as for military use only, please explain this in your affidavit as a reason there is no chassis VIN.
11. What vehicle identification number (VIN) information is needed for the engine on the notarized affidavit?
Please list the serial number of the engine in your affidavit, the model year, make, and model of the vehicle the engine is from, and if known, the VIN of the vehicle the engine was taken from. MTO also needs the name and address of the previous owner of the engine and purchase date. NOTE: Provided that MTO issues a vehicle permit with the model "KIT", the vehicle is exempt from Drive Clean emission inspection requirements, regardless of the engine's model year. A "KIT" vehicle permit will be issued, once your affidavit is accepted by MTO.
12. What information is needed for imported kit car parts?
If you imported the kit car parts disassembled, and completed construction of the vehicle in Ontario, you do not need a Vehicle Import 13-0132 form, because the Vehicle Import 13-0132 form is only supplied for fully assembled vehicles. Depending on when you imported the kit car parts into Canada, MTO will need either the document(s) with the Customs Clearance stamp, or if you imported it after March 1, 2002, you may have been given the new Vehicle Import Form 3 for parts. You must attach a photocopy of either one of these Customs forms to your affidavit, and mention in the affidavit, the date you imported the part(s) into Canada.
13. Why does MTO need me to mention in the affidavit the exact date that I completed construction of the kit car, and to state that I am the legal and rightful owner of the completed vehicle?
It usually takes several years from the date the owner purchases the kit car body and chassis to complete construction of the vehicle, and the completion date verifies the date on which the kit car was actually built. The statement that you are the legal and rightful owner of the completed vehicle is a standard statement, required at the end of every affidavit, which is used in support of vehicle registration. You are making a sworn statement that you are the legal owner, and you are verifying that all the parts used in its construction were obtained legally.
Vehicle Safety Standards Requirements The requirements for issuing a safety standards certificate (SSC) or a structural inspection certificate (SIC) (only used for vehicles/major component parts with major structural damage, branded as SALVAGE or REBUILT) needed for the registration of used motor vehicles, rebuilt vehicles, and kit cars, are governed by the minimum equipment standards in the Highway Traffic Act and its regulations.
NOTE: for historic vehicles, Regulation 611, Schedule 5 specifies that: "Schedule 5 -inspection requirements and performance standards for historic vehicles 1. Each system and component mentioned in Schedules 1, 2 and 6, that is part of the historic vehicle, shall be inspected and tested and shall be in functional condition relative to its design, construction and operation."
A garage must be licensed as a Motor Vehicle Inspection Station in order to issue either of these certificates. Ontario Regulation 601 made under the Highway Traffic Act - online version: http://192.75.156.68/DBLaws/Regs/English/900601_e.htm
Mininum Safety Standards For On-Road Use Safety standards are listed in Regulation 611 - Safety Inspections under the Highway Traffic Act and the minimum equipment standards under the Highway Traffic Act. http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/DBLaws/Statutes/English/90h08_e.htm#BK105
Minimum equipment requirement references in the Highway Traffic Act are as follows:
Emission Inspection (Drive Clean) Requirements The Ministry of the Environment introduced the Drive Clean Program to address the adverse health effects of smog and pollutants in the atmosphere from motor vehicle emissions, with mandatory emission inspection and maintenance requirements. The Ministry of Transportation has a strong interest in the Drive Clean Program as part of our commitment to reduce the effects of greenhouse gas emissions, and supports the Ministry of the Environment by delivery of the program through its issuing network.
However, emission inspection regulations are the responsibility of the Ministry of the Environment, Drive Clean Office, and any questions concerning vehicle emission regulations should be directed to that office.
For more information on vehicle registration requirements, please contact:
Ministry of Transportation Licensing Administration Office 2680 Keele Street, Building A Downsview, ON M3M 3E6
Tel: 416-235-2999 or Toll-free: 1-800-387-3445 E-mail: lao@mto.gov.on.ca
I was reminded last night by JohnnyBGood, that I only have a receipt for a "Ford Coupe body", and as you all know, my rod is mostly Chevy. So I looked through all my emails and found the contacts details for the guy I bought it from.
I sent him an emal last night asking if we could change the details of the receipt, and this morning he replied full of good wishes and happy to co-operate.
Soooo, he's asking me what I would like the new receipt to say. Do I just say "1932 Chevrolet Coupe body" or do I leave out the "Body" part and treat it as a complete car?
to avoid alot of red tape and bs, i would have him specify it as a car, since this is what you are making it into. i know the gov-ment wants you to jump through the hoops and have everything documented and a note from your mother, but seriousley do you think the cops know or even care? as long as your stuff isnt stolen or so obvious you are begging to be nailed, i wouldnt worry about it
Just got off phone with Ontario services. If you do not have a vin number or ownership you have to get the seller to sign an affidavit the car was his, when or how he got it and why he doesn't have an ownership. Need to state the price he sold it for. Get it noterized and take to licence office. They will then give you an ownership and vin number. Sounds easy enough to do it right.
So I should hold off on getting him to send me a receipt?
Do I just get all the information from the seller, then get a lawyer to draw up an affadavit to sign? and does this signing need to be witnessed, or do I just take that signed affadavit back to the lawyer?
I just don't want to make this a hassle for the seller.
All you need is someone who can notarize. Does not have to be a lawyer. Some of the licence places have notaries right there. The number I called was 1-800-387-3445 the girl told me it to just get him to write and sign the letter and get it notarized. I didn't ask if the sellers signature had to be witnessed. Give them a call or go to your local licence place and talk to them before you have him write the letter.
Flatback is Right On!!! get the ownwership in "your" name unfit, ASAP & pay tax on appr. value for Gov. form, otherwise you'll get nailed for full tax on value of "finished car" I know a few guys that didn't do this till car was done & "PAID" dearly on evaluation. The longer it's in your name looks better too! as "it took that long" to build it, not 2 weeks later when you have it changed over to "FIT" after a safety cert. is issued!! That looks "FISHY" & could set off "red" flags IMOP
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You can probley get it notarized at city hall some dude just swears that you are saying what you have wrote down is true. your wife may even qualify if she is a P. ENG.
I think you guys on here have it really tough where you are getting paperwork for your cars...either that or your paranoid as hell..never have I had a problem getting a title , for anything...a buddy of mine from Ottawa area bought an old car from out of province,,no title..no tag, nothing,,, he was all worried about getting a title.. told him to come up here and we could get it done.. within 2 hours he was heading home with a LEGAL ownership, in his name.............receipt saying you have bought a complete a car..no....NEVER have I gone to an appraiser saying that..its always a body.. appraisel on it is less..Say or think what you will,most on here are making a mountain out of a mole hill on this.
I think you guys on here have it really tough where you are getting paperwork for your cars...either that or your paranoid as hell..never have I had a problem getting a title , for anything...a buddy of mine from Ottawa area bought an old car from out of province,,no title..no tag, nothing,,, he was all worried about getting a title.. told him to come up here and we could get it done.. within 2 hours he was heading home with a LEGAL ownership, in his name.............receipt saying you have bought a complete a car..no....NEVER have I gone to an appraiser saying that..its always a body.. appraisel on it is less..Say or think what you will,most on here are making a mountain out of a mole hill on this.
Guess we'll have to go to North Bay, the Lic. offices down here are going "by the book" & it's a hassle, you have to have all your "ducks' in a row, & jump through the hoops!!!! I tried to to buy a car with no title that was in storage for 15 yrs. Lic. office said the person that has the car in storage would have to get the car in "his" name & jump thru all the hoops "OR DON"T BUY IT"!!!!
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Wow, didn't we just go down this rathole about a month ago ?!?!?
1) Here's the thing, if you wait till your car is built to register it, it will need an appraisal and then you'l be charged the tax on that amount to register and plate the vehicle - despite having paid the tax already on all the parts and services to built it!
2) If you try to register it without an existing registration (transfer of ownership), the ministry will register the car as a current model year, i.e "2014 1932 Ford" or something to that affect AND the car is then subject to all the current emission rules and regs. Although an affadavit will be necessary, does you no good other than to say you own the car.
3) If you have a registration, you want to get an appraisal NOW and within seven days you want to go and transfer the title - you'll get an "unfit" registration in your name and you'll pay tax on the greater of: the appraised value or what your bill of sale says. Regardless, you need the appraisal (so maybe you want to throw the bill away !!).
4) If you don't have a reg and the vehicle has a serial number tag then I imagine you'll have to do some legwork to prove its not stolen, get an affadavit and quite likely GOTO 2) above!
5) If there are no serial numbers then you can buy an ownership (from Tex at most swapmeets), then GOTO 3) above.
As for a s/n plate, there are shops out there who can reproduce virtually any vintage s/n plate on the planet and quite inexpensively too. And I'd like to meet the cop who could tell me what a "real" 41 Ford COE plate should look like anyway.
Paris is a good little town to get an appraisal and transfer of ownership. As long as the ladies get all the right paperwork, you'll have the vehicle in your name in less time than you wait in their lineup!
I don't know if I am repeating myself, but when I bought my Model A out in Saskatchewan, I paid $3800.00 and got a receipt for the same. I also received a valid ownership. When I went to register the car in my name, I was told I need an appraisal even though I was prepared to pay tax on the whole amount. I went home and stripped off everything I was not going to use in the build, had the basic body appraised as that was all I was going to use in the build and got an appraisal of $500.00. I went and changed the registration to my name getting an unfit title and paying tax on the $500.00. The licence office had both receipt and appraisal sitting side by side. If you are in the business of gouging taxes out of people, how dumb is this, but I was a happy camper and all very legal. I also have a second partial scrap body with ownership and appraisal for a 1930 Tudor that I would like to sell for a very attractive price.
Its all fine and dandy that you were legal but it also would have been legal if you had "forgotten" the bill of sale at home. They wanted an appraisal and that's what you gave them.
They want you to spend $50 on an appraisal then that should be damn well good enough.
And here's another twist ...
When I bought my truck at auction, it had no ownership therefore I had to pay the tax then and there. But had I taken that to the license bureau it just would have raised the question as to where DID the ownership I was switching come from.
On top of that, I sold the complete drivetrain prior to transferring the ownership so the bill of sale still would not have been representative of the value of the remains that I was registering.
