yes, same thing

It don't need a plate because the car on it is supposed to be licensed and insured. Towing a project or something to  the wreckers they can throw the book at you . maybe thats what he is waiting for.... no insurance , unfit vehicle ,no plate im sure they could dream up a few more. 

I've never seen a tow dolly with plates now that I think of it. it must fall under the classification of a trailer with machinery mounted to it. (Augers, chippers, welders etc...no plates required on any of those)

If it  is touching the ground it is considered a motor vehicle and subject to the same rules as the car you are driving

“trailer” means a vehicle that is at any time drawn upon a highway by a motor vehicle, except an implement of husbandry, a mobile home, another motor vehicle or any device or apparatus not designed to transport persons or property, temporarily drawn, propelled or moved upon such highway, and except a side car attached to a motorcycle, and shall be considered a separate vehicle and not part of the motor vehicle by which it is drawn; (“remorque”)

Permit requirements

7.  (1)  No person shall drive a motor vehicle on a highway unless,

(a) there exists a currently validated permit for the vehicle;

(b) there are displayed on the vehicle, in the prescribed manner,

(i) number plates issued in accordance with the regulations showing the number of the permit issued for the vehicle, or

(ii) number plates described in subsection (7.2) if the vehicle is an historic vehicle and the Ministry has issued a currently validated permit for it; and

(c) evidence of the current validation of the permit is affixed, in the prescribed manner, to,

(i) one of the number plates mentioned in subclause (b) (i) displayed on the vehicle, or

(ii) to a mini-plate attached to the number plate exposed on the rear of the vehicle, if number plates described in subsection (7.2) are displayed on the vehicle. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 7 (1); 2000, c. 29, s. 1 (1).

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Interpret it anyway you like but dollies and tow bars  are meant for towing shuttle vehicles that are licensed for the road .  they are not a trailer . so they don't require a plate.but as it says the car on it ... shall be considered a separate vehicle and not part of the motor vehicle by which it is drawn; (“remorque”) 

slim wrote:

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If it  is touching the ground it is considered a motor vehicle and subject to the same rules as the car you are driving

“trailer” means a vehicle that is at any time drawn upon a highway by a motor vehicle, except an implement of husbandry, a mobile home, another motor vehicle or any device or apparatus not designed to transport persons or property, temporarily drawn, propelled or moved upon such highway, and except a side car attached to a motorcycle, and shall be considered a separate vehicle and not part of the motor vehicle by which it is drawn; (“remorque”)

Permit requirements

7.  (1)  No person shall drive a motor vehicle on a highway unless,

(a) there exists a currently validated permit for the vehicle;

(b) there are displayed on the vehicle, in the prescribed manner,

(i) number plates issued in accordance with the regulations showing the number of the permit issued for the vehicle, or

(ii) number plates described in subsection (7.2) if the vehicle is an historic vehicle and the Ministry has issued a currently validated permit for it; and

(c) evidence of the current validation of the permit is affixed, in the prescribed manner, to,

(i) one of the number plates mentioned in subclause (b) (i) displayed on the vehicle, or

(ii) to a mini-plate attached to the number plate exposed on the rear of the vehicle, if number plates described in subsection (7.2) are displayed on the vehicle. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 7 (1); 2000, c. 29, s. 1 (1).

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Interpret it anyway you like but dollies and tow bars  are meant for towing shuttle vehicles that are licensed for the road .  they are not a trailer . so they don't require a plate.but as it says the car on it ... shall be considered a separate vehicle and not part of the motor vehicle by which it is drawn; (“remorque”) 

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 a towed vehicle is not moving under its own power, thus it does not require insurance or a plate, it is covered under the insurance of the vehicle towing it.

My reply was directed to all the members of the board and as I said interpret it anyway you like but its stated pretty clear what constitutes a trailer . Maybe you can start a poll to find out how many members have had a cop call them up just to tell them that he or she were wrong...... trap set and baited ... LOL 

Why would you not just plate the trailer (dolly). In this province where it is us against the man, and everything possible is being done to inconvenience and harass owners and drivers, you don't stand a chance at least not without a good fight. I learned a long time ago, cover your ass if not twice even if you think you are right.

Warren

wuga wrote:

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 In this province where it is us against the man, and everything possible is being done to inconvenience and harass owners and drivers, you don't stand a chance

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 Wow, does this ever ring true as to the intentions of the current Government.

 

 

Don't know about all this confusion re tow dollies. In the late 90s I was exporting vehicles from Ontario to Oklahoma/Texas, and used tow dollies exclusively. Would buy vehicles in multiples of two, put a dealer plate on tow vehicle, put other on dolly (without a plate), and away we went. Never any hassle here or USA, and was passed by plenty of the man in blue. No problem at the border either. Once on Port Huron, I delt with an importer, who changed the speed o/odometer to MPH

-- Edited by parklane on Thursday 3rd of April 2014 03:40:31 PM

Gazoo wrote:

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Correct me if I'm wrong here, I've never owned a trailer for more then one year. My understanding was, that trailer plates were good for life (as long as you own it). And they are like $30. or something.

Is this correct? If so, then why not spend the $30. and be done with it?

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 You are correct. Only $30 for the trailer plate and good for owners life. 

parklane wrote:

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I was exporting vehicles from Ontario to Oklahoma/Texas, and used tow dollies exclusively.

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You exported cars FROM Ontario TO Texas???

Were they running a little short on rusty cars down there?   

Didn't mean to start a pissin match and I agree 9 out of 10 times No one is going to question You about it. It makes no difference whether the dolly has a plate or doesn't part of the car is in contact with the road thats all that matters. and the only time it is a problem would be the case of a project or running something to the scrap yard 

 

The definition of a trailer under the highway traffic act states.......“trailer” means a vehicle that is at any time drawn upon a highway by a motor vehicle, except an implement of husbandry, a mobile home, another motor vehicle

the key word would be except then they go on to state.... and shall be considered a separate vehicle and not part of the motor vehicle by which it is drawn; 

I don't make this crap up thats the way it is written and there are cops out there that will enforce it. If it is considered a separate vehicle and not part of the tow vehicle then it needs to meet the same requirements as if you were driving it. If they considered a dolly a trailer then you would have to plate it as a trailer and you don't. I figured this was common knowledge I guess I was wrong .  

 

-- Edited by slim on Thursday 3rd of April 2014 05:44:05 PM

if you have an "adapter" to tow a car ,, or trailer with,, that adapter can NOT be plated in Ontario.... what most people refer as a tow dolly is called a Convertor Adapter "Joe Dog" by the MTO.... find that in the REGs and come back and spell out the laws... I am not claiming to be an expert.. but being involved with a "trailer" manufacturer... they can NOT sell a tow dolly with title to be plated in ontario....
If you look at the Adapter laws.. you will find they refer to the common use by truckers to create a train with a second king pin fifth wheel trailer behind the first trailer,,, you need a pintle connection to attach a converter dolly "joe dog" to allow the king pin to lock into...
The joe dog requires lights.. and fenders if it isn't under a trailer... but can not be plated in Ontario..

That is where "the load must be plated and insured" rule comes in.. because the load on the tow dolly , convertor adapter joe dog is a vehicle.. and must have plates insurance lights etc etc

If you have a true trailer ,, with a plate ,,, and you carry a load on that trailer that touches the ground,, it is an insecure load...

I used to have the PDF from the MTO on this.... but it is on a hard drive I can't access now...

as has been said before.... ymmv.. each cop is different... watch out for Cam Wooley... he knows the law..

it does boil down to ... when asked by a LEO ,, where is your trailer plate.... tell him to look at all the semi's with joe dogs and see if they have plates... and what you are hauling is just that ... a convertor adapter dolly joe dog gets you to the regs that say no plate allowed..

let him continue using the word trailer.. or you insist it is a trailer.. then it is entire different rules.

Happy Trails

My dad had a cart with a plate on it till 1995. The reason he did that was so he had an ownership for it. He use to tow a car to Florida every year and other states.Having an ownership just made it simple at the border.
TMJ

meester_jamie wrote:

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if you have an "adapter" to tow a car ,, or trailer with,, that adapter can NOT be plated in Ontario.... what most people refer as a tow dolly is called a Convertor Adapter "Joe Dog" by the MTO.... find that in the REGs and come back and spell out the laws... I am not claiming to be an expert.. but being involved with a "trailer" manufacturer... they can NOT sell a tow dolly with title to be plated in ontario....
If you look at the Adapter laws.. you will find they refer to the common use by truckers to create a train with a second king pin fifth wheel trailer behind the first trailer,,, you need a pintle connection to attach a converter dolly "joe dog" to allow the king pin to lock into...
The joe dog requires lights.. and fenders if it isn't under a trailer... but can not be plated in Ontario..

That is where "the load must be plated and insured" rule comes in.. because the load on the tow dolly , convertor adapter joe dog is a vehicle.. and must have plates insurance lights etc etc

If you have a true trailer ,, with a plate ,,, and you carry a load on that trailer that touches the ground,, it is an insecure load...

I used to have the PDF from the MTO on this.... but it is on a hard drive I can't access now...

as has been said before.... ymmv.. each cop is different... watch out for Cam Wooley... he knows the law..

it does boil down to ... when asked by a LEO ,, where is your trailer plate.... tell him to look at all the semi's with joe dogs and see if they have plates... and what you are hauling is just that ... a convertor adapter dolly joe dog gets you to the regs that say no plate allowed..

let him continue using the word trailer.. or you insist it is a trailer.. then it is entire different rules.

Happy Trails

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I don't think we will be seeing much of cam wooley these days, he got clipped after fantino got sick of his camera hogging, im sure hes pushing pencils somewhere now 

Still a tricky situation as I also had my own sling tow truck and was insured to tow only my own vehicles and I ,too, scrapped some vehicles which were mine with a bill of sale. When they raised the premium for my truck to tow, I sat down and asked multiple legal questions re: towing cars, trailers, etc. and was informed that I needed a rider clause on the towed vehicle and it was only insured when it was attached to my insured vehicle. When i am leaving the country for pleasure towing my trailer, I was told to inform them and premiums may have to be adjusted depending on how long I will be gone. Soooo, take what you will from this, form your own opinions, but I would sit down with your agent and find out the yes and no clauses of your policies. Better to be right than fight later in court sorting out legalities.

hemi43 wrote:

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So from what I'm reading, the vehicle on a Dollie must be plated and insured. So towing a race car, or a project that was just finished and you're taking it for certification, would technically be against the law??

BTW, Cam Wooley spends his time on "Canada's Worst Driver".

-- Edited by hemi43 on Thursday 3rd of April 2014 08:13:31 PM

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 Same as if you were driving it by the book

parklane wrote:

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DB Cooper wrote:

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parklane wrote:

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I was exporting vehicles from Ontario to Oklahoma/Texas, and used tow dollies exclusively.

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You exported cars FROM Ontario TO Texas???

Were they running a little short on rusty cars down there?   

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 Not quite. They were current year, up to 2 year old. Mostly xtended cab 4x4s. Bought them at the auctions here (Toronto & Milton) and sold them at the auctions down there. Always bought new tow dollies here, and ran them through the auctions also. Usually didn't make any $$$ on dolly, but got 2 vehicles down there for the cost of driving one.

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 there were a lot of trucks going south do to the exchange rates, 20 to 30% at times.

My inlaws have a dolly and it has always had a plate on it. My car trailer has its own ins policy. Its dirt cheap and my butt is covered.

I have insurance on my snowmobile trailer for theft, fire and if it get hit when it is not hooked to the truck it is covered for damage it is about $30.00 a year.  I have insurance on my float trailer to cover the same as above plus it has a rider for $100,000.00 to cover my load and it is about $450.00 a year.  I use it to move equipment from farm to farm, plus fruit bins when I am harvesting.  So really it is not that much money.  Of coarse if you never need it, it is a waste of money.

I have 2 travel trailers and a 22ft enclosed car trailer and all have a separate rider when not attached to the tow vehicle. It was explained that yes as long as the trailer is attached to a vehicle the towing insurance applies. If the trailer is parked and something happens to it and it is not insured then there is no coverage. I also was given a tow dolly without papers and may just get a plate, there are two plastic mounting tabs for a plate.