So I'm over on the HAMB , checking out the latest threads .......some guy is building up a '47 Chrysler 4-door ......DIFFERENT , right ? The hood is about 12 feet long and the back end is very abbreviated .......I'm thinkin' , maybe a unique low rider , or whatever .
Now I'm reading about his choice of engines ........you guessed it , a $%@&^% small block Chevy .....in a CHRYSLER !! NOT a 318 or a 340 or a 383 or a 440 , nope . Are rodders going brain dead ? What is happening to individual thinking ? I'm waiting to see a guy finding a vintage Duesenburg and , duh , dropping in a sbc .
-- Edited by teejay99 on Saturday 19th of April 2014 08:17:57 PM
It takes just as much work and fabrication to put a Chevy engine in there as any other non stock engines. I have been known to desecrate (improve) a few Fords that way....but thats just me. To each their own.....lol
Agreed, i,m getting tired of the same old engine swaps.
Cheapest way to go, so many parts available and pretty reasonable also.
But still,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Bottom line is you can build a 500 + HP sbc or a 150 hp flat head ford for the same coin. Another factor is how many people are competent enough today to do most of the work themselves to cut down on the cost ? You are not going to see the industry cash cow disappear any time soon. Some are mindless followers and some just can't afford the price of an alternative.
Bottom line is you can build a 500 + HP sbc or a 150 hp flat head ford for the same coin. Another factor is how many people are competent enough today to do most of the work themselves to cut down on the cost ? You are not going to see the industry cash cow disappear any time soon. Some are mindless followers and some just can't afford the price of an alternative.
Pretty much nailed it on the head in my opinion. Going to second that idea of getting the most motor for your money with easy accessible parts. I drive Chevys so its an easy choice for me, but there seems to be a lot of people that consider it blasphemous to interchange companies. With that in mind wasn't the original goal of hot rodding to make the most power you could for as cheap as you could?
So I'm over on the HAMB , checking out the latest threads .......some guy is building up a '47 Chrysler 4-door ......DIFFERENT , right ? The hood is about 12 feet long and the back end is very abbreviated .......I'm thinkin' , maybe a unique low rider , or whatever .
Now I'm reading about his choice of engines ........you guessed it , a $%@&^% small block Chevy .....in a CHRYSLER !! NOT a 318 or a 340 or a 383 or a 440 , nope . Are rodders going brain dead ? What is happening to individual thinking ? I'm waiting to see a guy finding a vintage Duesenburg and , duh , dropping in a sbc .
-- Edited by teejay99 on Saturday 19th of April 2014 08:17:57 PM
I agree, I would like to see the 47 Chrysler with a mopar motor in it. Not sure exactly how much length is in a 47 Chrysler firewall to rad ( depends on if it is 6 or straight 8 version ) and what the length of various mopar motors is.
Yeah , if you're talking strictly $$$ but do rodders only think cost ? I don't think so .It's only part of the equation .......that's why we ran Cragars instead of hubcaps , Hurst shifters instead of column shift ...etc .We wanted it ! And if you could pool all the enthusiasts out there , many have got motors of varying kinds for next to nothing .....swapping stuff ! We all did it .
Reading further , looks like he bought the car as a project with the sbc already installed . He's done a ton of work disassembling , fix body , repaint body and frame , reinstalled sbc which appears bone stock .
I think its odd to build certain cars with a non-matching drive line, especially stuff like a Shelby Cobra Kit with a Hemi or an old Buick with a 413 Chryco. Saying that, that is the root of how hot rodding began. I don't think that all builds cost similar. For instance, 340 mopars go for more than SBC's right off the hop and parts are not as plentiful. Not sure about crate vs crate pricing as I've never compared
I got into a similar discussion last week and I couldn't make the other guy understand that my choice of engines was up to me because I was paying the bills to do my own car.
I have a Ford and my plan is to put a Chev engine in it. My plan was based on the fact the I already own the Chev engine and I no longer have a Ford or Dodge engine. Now if someone out there in Ontario Rodder land wants to give me a Ford or Dodge engine of equal quality to what I already own, I'll gladly put an engine of YOUR choice in MY car.
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LOL, Thanks, but I want something that needs a radiator. It really does sound like a different way to go and I'm trying to picture a 28 Ford with a pancake engine and no grill.
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Bruce , let me ask you , if you had a tri-5 Chevy with no motor , and you won a complete Ford Racing crate motor in a raffle , would you install it in the Chevy ?
Bruce , let me ask you , if you had a tri-5 Chevy with no motor , and you won a complete Ford Racing crate motor in a raffle , would you install it in the Chevy ?
No, I wouldn't put a Ford crate in a 55 to 57 Chev but I would put it into my 28 Ford without hesitation.
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I wouldn't put the Ford motor in the Chevy either . If you asked a bunch of others the same question , and why , they would probably say it just seems strange ( remember , money isn't an issue ) ....when they opened the hood everyone would be questioning them , and the car would probably be devalued on resale . At the end of the day you just don't put a Ford in a Chevy .
But if you look at rods for sale ( carsonline , streetrodding etc ) probably 90% of the 20's-30's Ford rods are sbc powered .....the % falls off some 40's-50's but all the way up to mid '50's there are sbc powered Fords .......numerous F1 and F100 pickups up to '56 . I have yet to see a Ford powered Chevy Cameo pickup of the same era . I don't think it's money ...just a culture that developed sometime .
I'm a Mopar Guy, but love late 50s early 60s GM wagons. If I ever built one, I wouldn't even think of putting a Dodge engine in it. It's just not right !!
If small block Fords didn't have that front sump they would be used allot more in early Fords. SBC fit so much better,thats one reason they get used in more swaps than anything else.
If small block Fords didn't have that front sump they would be used allot more in early Fords. SBC fit so much better,thats one reason they get used in more swaps than anything else.
I wouldn't put the Ford motor in the Chevy either . If you asked a bunch of others the same question , and why , they would probably say it just seems strange ( remember , money isn't an issue ) ....when they opened the hood everyone would be questioning them , and the car would probably be devalued on resale . At the end of the day you just don't put a Ford in a Chevy .
But if you look at rods for sale ( carsonline , streetrodding etc ) probably 90% of the 20's-30's Ford rods are sbc powered .....the % falls off some 40's-50's but all the way up to mid '50's there are sbc powered Fords .......numerous F1 and F100 pickups up to '56 . I have yet to see a Ford powered Chevy Cameo pickup of the same era . I don't think it's money ...just a culture that developed sometime .
34 chev 5 window coupe 390 ford powered
Bottom line is people use 350 chev's as they are cheap and plentiful . Try buying any fe parts or buick nailhead parts or hemi parts
they are 3 times the price of 350 parts. tri powers non chev 2000.00 / chev 800-1000. Pistons non chev 1000.00 -- 350 chev 400.00
I used the 390 because that is what I had available to me at the time. I am building a 33 3 window chev and using a 425 buick
the motor and tranny, used as a builder was 800.00 , I could buy a running 350 for that!!! The oil pump for a 425 buick is 180.00
I have made my own oil pans and pick up tubes to clear cross members and run remote filters to clear frames and steering.
A true hot rodder uses what is available to them at the right price and modifies to over come any obstickles
Agree with your last line 100% , 34guy , ......in my mind that's a rodder !
Look I'm not bashing Chevy and never will . I love Chevys , they're wonderful , they're fantastic .....they make my nipples hard ....well OK maybe one nipple .....I've had a 55 , 58 . 59 , 61 and a 74 Vette ...2 Oldsmobiles , several Mopars and lots of Fords . I avoid foreign cars . I certainly won't change the " put a Chevy in anything " culture that prevails , I'm simply wondering about it .
Hey guys we have our very own anti SBC rebel on his site.I belive there is a certain ratrod running around the Bellville area that is powered by a Toy---- . I also happen to know it does very well at the Armdrop dragraces every year. Ed
-- Edited by flatblack55delivery on Sunday 20th of April 2014 09:40:55 AM
SBCs are cheap and plentifull and they fit just about any thing. I have 3 spare ones and a 55 ford project-so guess what. Ill just refuse to open the hood if theres any Ford guys around lol !
you mean left over suff that nobody else sees any value in. The left over stuff that doesn't equate to "go fast but might possibly get you home"....or at least few blocks
So I'm over on the HAMB , checking out the latest threads .......some guy is building up a '47 Chrysler 4-door ......DIFFERENT , right ? The hood is about 12 feet long and the back end is very abbreviated .......I'm thinkin' , maybe a unique low rider , or whatever .
Now I'm reading about his choice of engines ........you guessed it , a $%@&^% small block Chevy .....in a CHRYSLER !! NOT a 318 or a 340 or a 383 or a 440 , nope . Are rodders going brain dead ? What is happening to individual thinking ? I'm waiting to see a guy finding a vintage Duesenburg and , duh , dropping in a sbc .
-- Edited by teejay99 on Saturday 19th of April 2014 08:17:57 PM
Uh-oh.
Don't check my build. A BBC in a 1941 Chrysler New Yorker? Blasphemy. I will be shunned forever, ha....
And yeah, I would put the Ford motor in a tri-five Chevy. Why not?
I'd put any motor into any car as long as it wasn't a gutless 6 banger.
Nice attitude ShopRat I am sure that the ratrod builders on this site and a few others will appriceiate your opinion. Ed
-- Edited by flatblack55delivery on Sunday 20th of April 2014 08:52:54 PM
I know I come off like I've got touretts sometimes, but I wasn't trying to be a dick but that is all I see when I look at rats. They are made of leftover stuff that nobody wants on a choice ride.
You know what they say about opinions. Pretty sure anyone of us building/driving a rat didn't ask for anyone else's opinion when were building/driving it. And grinning from ear to ear.
But thanks for sharing yours
-- Edited by janies dirty 37 on Sunday 20th of April 2014 10:18:06 PM
You know what they say about opinions. Pretty sure anyone of us building/driving a rat didn't ask for anyone else's when were building/driving it. And grinning from ear to ear.
Now those are words of wisdom, right there fellas, you guys pay attention. That right there is what it is, in a nutshell.
Nice attitude ShopRat I am sure that the ratrod builders on this site and a few others will appriceiate your opinion. Ed
-- Edited by flatblack55delivery on Sunday 20th of April 2014 08:52:54 PM
I know I come off like I've got touretts sometimes, but I wasn't trying to be a dick but that is all I see when I look at rats. They are made of leftover stuff that nobody wants on a choice ride.
Am I right?
Shop rat
i don't know what you drive or have built
BUT I would put my build against anything you own
for quality or new parts
EVERY PIECE OF DRIVELINE. FRAME. STEERING. BRAKES
IS BRAND NEW ON MY CAR
Do you think shiny paint makes a quality car?
I have seen show cars that drive like crap
Shiny and Chrome < Quality safe drivable car
BTW you don't have to try to be something when it comes naturally
BUT THANKS FOR YOU POST SHOP RAT
-- Edited by Cat in the Hat on Monday 21st of April 2014 12:14:06 AM
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I wasn't intending on starting a debate. I know my opinions don't match many others, but I am entitled to that. Build what you want to build. There are a few top notch craftsmen in this forum who's work I truly admire. Two have world class builds on the go, the others have completed theirs. These guys along with the stuff I see coming out of Hitman and Lowdown....THAT is Hot Rodding for ME. If you are happy with your efforts then nothing else really matters, my opinion included
-- Edited by Shop_Rat on Monday 21st of April 2014 08:36:34 AM
Thanks for your opinions and knowledge there shopRat your opinions are appreciated..Thanks for post..How about a picture of your ride or a link to it I can't remember if you posted a picture anywhere..Like to a picture..Thanks for the post
I wasn't intending on starting a debate. I know my opinions don't match many others, but I am entitled to that. Build what you want to build. There are a few top notch craftsmen in this forum who's work I truly admire. Two have world class builds on the go, the others have completed theirs. These guys along with the stuff I see coming out of Hitman and Lowdown....THAT is Hot Rodding for ME. If you are happy with your efforts then nothing else really matters, my opinion included
-- Edited by Shop_Rat on Monday 21st of April 2014 08:36:34 AM
Hitman and Lowdown ....is Hot Rodding to me....WOW
$100,000 +++++ cars
Thats not Hot Rodding......those are wallet cars.....just open your wallet....instant car
Drop your project off and pick up a show winner
Interesting what some people consider Hot Rodding
Good post....... Gear....er....Shop Rat....Thanks for sharing your thoughts
People like you make this forum what it is.....interesting
Keep up the good work
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I have to agree with Cat, it's not what you build, but how you build it. I'm not necessarily a ratrod guy, but I've seen some pretty nice engineering and execution in their builds. By the way, if you want to diss or comment on others on the site, where it says name on your profile enter your name and also maybe where you are from. Also do a biography and post pictures of your ride. If you want to hide behind anonymity and comment on others, maybe Poncho should delete your postings. Have the balls to stand behind what you say. This might actually apply to others on this site.
Sorry Glen, but I have a Hitman chassis in Dog Spit. I wouldn't drive a car with my welding.
Why must everyone define "Hot Rodding" over and over? Just appreciate the car for what it is and how it got there. If you don't like it, walk away for pete's sake! I don't give a damn if you don't like my car, I didn't build it for you. That's always been my approach on it.
The 350 sbc is cheap and reliable, easy to build, plentiful, easily modified, and has just about every aftermarket company offering parts for it. I had a 283 built for my Belair. It cost about 30% more to build than a 350. The 348 I put in my Delray cost me more as a used motor than a brand new crate motor would have cost. There was a 58 Impala in the Kitchener-Waterloo area for years. It was a trophy-winner wherever it went. I drooled over it each time I saw it, but the hood was never up. It was turned out to be an oily looking 305 that putted along just nicely and few people ever knew what motivated it.
Put whatever you want in your own car for all of your own reasons, and tell the nit-pickers to piss0ff!
(Sorry gents, I must be a bit cranky today. I'm goin home for a beer...) CHRIS
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