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PORT ROWAN, ONT

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I need to install a  lower quarter panel and I was wondering if there is a product out to bind or glue the panel to the car. This would be an overlap joint under the stainless belt line. Anyone ever used anything like this before?



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http://www.nortonautomotive.com/speedgrip-auto.aspx



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A fellow I know used it for a patch panel on the barn doors of an old Ford panel truck. You could see a ghost line in the paint where the joint was. However, being under the stainless, you would never see it.

But, how strong and reliable would it be?

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PORT ROWAN, ONT

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Thank you 427 Carl-I will look into it-Im not a very good welder when it comes to sheet metal-this could save me a world of trouble!

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It works great, but the panel will still have to be welded in certain areas. The only place panel adhesive will work properly is where there is a large overlap. Try and give yourself 1 1/2"-2" overlap. You will need to drill 1/8 holes every 6-8 inches through both the patch panel and original panel to be able to clamp both with rivets. Once cured, drill the rivets out and patch with panel bonder. The stuff is a bit expensive, and needs a special applicator gun. I have a couple different style guns you could borrow if you can find a way to get them from me.

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Thanks for the info and the offer,hemi43. I probably wont get to it until later in the year. Its a 56 Ford im getting in exchange for an interior job. It needs a ton of work -now Ill have a 55 and a 56-projects-they seem to just follow me home. I just realized-every car I have is something that someone has given up on. They are like stray cats-land on my door step!

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hemi43 wrote:

It works great, but the panel will still have to be welded in certain areas. The only place panel adhesive will work properly is where there is a large overlap. Try and give yourself 1 1/2"-2" overlap. You will need to drill 1/8 holes every 6-8 inches through both the patch panel and original panel to be able to clamp both with rivets. Once cured, drill the rivets out and patch with panel bonder. The stuff is a bit expensive, and needs a special applicator gun. I have a couple different style guns you could borrow if you can find a way to get them from me.


 So now you can glue cars together??



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31 Blackrat wrote:
hemi43 wrote:

It works great, but the panel will still have to be welded in certain areas. The only place panel adhesive will work properly is where there is a large overlap. Try and give yourself 1 1/2"-2" overlap. You will need to drill 1/8 holes every 6-8 inches through both the patch panel and original panel to be able to clamp both with rivets. Once cured, drill the rivets out and patch with panel bonder. The stuff is a bit expensive, and needs a special applicator gun. I have a couple different style guns you could borrow if you can find a way to get them from me.


 So now you can glue cars together??


 OEM has used panel adhesives for many years. Corvette is a good example.

Here's a good video, just ignore the "Knob" commentator !!



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Lots of cars and trucks have had glued on door hinges for years, damned strong stuff still good in all the temperature extremes.

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Hey! I know that guy ^^^^, but I have to admit, it's the first time I've ever seen him "do" anything. Aside from talking that is.biggrin



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hemi43 wrote:

 The stuff is a bit expensive, and needs a special applicator gun. I have a couple different style guns you could borrow if you can find a way to get them from me.


 Napa carries a panel adhesive that can be applied with a normal chalking gun. The screw on tube end is swirled internally and it mixes the two parts together.  Works great.  I believe it is about 45-50 bucks per tube. 



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I wonder why they bothered crafting aluminum door skins for the ZL1 Camaro clone. Not only are brand new steel doors available for that year of Camaro if new doors are needed, the ZL1 didn't have aluminum door skins to begin with. Just seems kind of pointless.

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HI STEVE : I used an off-set crimper for all of my replacement panels on the ' 51 . ( My first body job , ever ) They are air powered and very simple to use -- A little extra measuring ( measure twice , cut once !! ). You may have seen the manual version from Eastwood that look like a set of Vice-Grips , but the air units are dead cheap , readily available and MUCH faster . You also weld right on the over-lap and the resulting body filler is very minimal--- LATER DON / fleet 51

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Thanks Don,Ive seen them used and I plan on getting an air one. I wonder if I can use the crimper along with the panel bond. Might be OK in a low stress area. I understand that some of it is weld thru-maybe some small mig plug welds along with the panel bond would suffice.

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yGazoo wrote:

Hey! I know that guy ^^^^, but I have to admit, it's the first time I've ever seen him "do" anything. Aside from talking that is.biggrin


 What he does best is go to the bank.



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hotrod-steve wrote:

Thanks Don,Ive seen them used and I plan on getting an air one. I wonder if I can use the crimper along with the panel bond. Might be OK in a low stress area. I understand that some of it is weld thru-maybe some small mig plug welds along with the panel bond would suffice.


 Crimpers don't give enough of an overlap. Panel bond is not weld-through. Don't over engineer a simple task, as this is where people make mistakes and failures occur down the road.



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pl premium adhesive is a pretty amazing glue.  when I worked in the panel industry we used to laminate frp to steel, lets just say you wouldn't be able to remove it if your life depended on it. I would imagine that stuff would bond steel pretty good



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Why not trade some more interior work for the panel getting welded on and finished? I know lots of people who can do body work, but few who can do interior work.

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I'm up for that,lol...

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fatstax wrote:

pl premium adhesive is a pretty amazing glue.  when I worked in the panel industry we used to laminate frp to steel, lets just say you wouldn't be able to remove it if your life depended on it. I would imagine that stuff would bond steel pretty good


 stax, is that place still in business around cobourg area?



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