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ST MARY'S, ONT

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So the whole time that I was rebuilding carbs for my dual manifold for the '49 dodge there was no guarantee it was for the 25 inch engine.

 

It is... BONUS! time to fabricate the linkages etc I guess...

 

Anyway, I want to separate the two manifolds, the 4 long bolts are seized solid, Nuts came off fine on the bottom, but when you turn the tops if they turn a bit, the bottoms dont. Obviously I'll

want to get the bolts out, because I will be installing a plate. The Edmunds manifold is water heated...

 

So, suggestions? I'm thinking put this thing in a pan and get soaking with ATF/toluene (makes a good penetrant I heard). I really only have one of those stupid little hardware bottle torches for heat, not sure how that will go.

 

I'm tickled to death that the dual carbs fit. I might have to re-fabricate a narrower heating duct though.

 

 

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Try soaking it in Coke...not the nose coke..the drinking coke..leave for a couple hrs..head over to the church say a little prayer...then come back and try it ..If you need some serious heat ..I have real torches..



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if you have a drill press or know someone who has one.I say drill press as easier to keep bit centered then drill the head of the bolt using gradually bigger bits.this will a lot of times remove the tension between bolt and hole it is in.try turning bolt when you feel that you have removed enough material to still have enough material attaching the bolt head to rest of bolt.worst case bolt head shears off then continue stepping up drill sizes until bolt is no more a lot of times I have had bolt come out once you have drilled enough away

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If I understand this right, you already have the nuts off so the only thing holding the bolt in place is rust.

I'd start by adding some heat (propane torch should do if that's all you have) and then hit the end of the bolt (obviously the end the nut came of off) with an air hammer with flat tipped tool in it. Wouldn't hurt to drop in some WD40 or melt in some candle wax also. Air hammers can be bought cheap at Princess.

It's not like they're stuck in any threads (again, if I am understanding this correctly), it's just the bolt stuck in a hole.

Tippety tappety tap tap and out she'll drop ....... (maybe)



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Soak the bolts in penetrating oil, and let sit for several days. While soaking, put the nuts on to protect the threads and wack with a hammer a few times to loosen and help the penetrating oil penetrate. After a few days, they will probably start moving when you hit them with a hammer, and you can try taking the nuts off and driving them out with a drift or air hammer.

Heat will work also, but a propane torch won't have the heat output on a piece of iron that large to expand the holes enough to loosen it.


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rust check worked wonders for my seized holley carb

I sat it in a pan and sprayed it down - then forgot about it for a while

when I went back to it , it worked almost as smoothly as a new carb

it might work ok for your stuck fasteners - if it gets to soak in for a week or two



-- Edited by DJD on Thursday 5th of June 2014 04:35:16 PM

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BMW the mixture is ATF and acetone.
Mix 50- 50 and shake it up before use as it will separate if left sitting.

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sasquatch wrote:

BMW the mixture is ATF and acetone.
Mix 50- 50 and shake it up before use as it will separate if left sitting.


 right on sasquatch - that stuff works great.



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sasquatch wrote:

BMW the mixture is ATF and acetone.
Mix 50- 50 and shake it up before use as it will separate if left sitting.


 Thank you. I thought acetone 50 times and still wrote the wrong thing.



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Well, one came out. :) Think I'll bide my time soak a bit and wait, they are just in blind holes being bunged up by rust.

Chuk, thanks for the offer, I'll hit you up if i need real heat. :)

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bmw2002e3 wrote:

Well, one came out. :) Think I'll bide my time soak a bit and wait, they are just in blind holes being bunged up by rust.

Chuk, thanks for the offer, I'll hit you up if i need real heat. :)


 

 

 

HOW????   confuse    biggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrin

 

Whoops, that's the Indian in me saying hello smile

 

 

Let's try this again ......... what method did you use on the one that you got out?  confuse



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I had been spraying them with wd 40. hit it with the impact gun and it rattled a bit. a few taps and out it came.

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I may need to find a new manifold though, I noticed a crack! very fine though...

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bmw2002e3 wrote:

I may need to find a new manifold though, I noticed a crack! very fine though...


 Can it not be welded?

Depending where the crack is, JB Weld might wiork



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poncho62 wrote:
bmw2002e3 wrote:

I may need to find a new manifold though, I noticed a crack! very fine though...


 Can it not be welded?

Depending where the crack is, JB Weld might wiork


 Anything is fixable. I didn't think JB weld would stay on an exhaust manifold :) I've seen cast iron repaired, so I can go that route if need be. Usually its easier to go find a non-cracked manifold.



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bmw2002e3 wrote:
poncho62 wrote:
bmw2002e3 wrote:

I may need to find a new manifold though, I noticed a crack! very fine though...


 Can it not be welded?

Depending where the crack is, JB Weld might wiork


 Anything is fixable. I didn't think JB weld would stay on an exhaust manifold :) I've seen cast iron repaired, so I can go that route if need be. Usually its easier to go find a non-cracked manifold.


 Maybe I missed something along the way but, if you are putting a aftermarket intake on it and the exhaust is cracked why wouldn't you locate a split exhaust manifold.

IMO those old flathead sixes sound cool with split manifolds.

TMJ



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Thought you were talking about the intake manifold......We used to braze exhaust manifolds

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poncho62 wrote:

Thought you were talking about the intake manifold......We used to braze exhaust manifolds


 Oh that could be too. For some reason I just thought the exhaust ,,,,,,,,,

TMJ



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Intake or exhaust, either manifold can be welded.

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If the crack is very fine and is captured, just ignore it as it probably has been there for decades. If the crack is open (where it ends in a bolt hole or at the edge of the casting, you can braze it after finding the other end of the crack and drilling it, and then grinding out the crack in a V shape.

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Krown penetrant KP53 works awesome. Home hardware carries it.

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 Maybe I missed something along the way but, if you are putting a aftermarket intake on it and the exhaust is cracked why wouldn't you locate a split exhaust manifold.

IMO those old flathead sixes sound cool with split manifolds.

TMJ


 If i can find em.. was going to have this one spilt. :)



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sasquatch wrote:

BMW the mixture is ATF and acetone.
Mix 50- 50 and shake it up before use as it will separate if left sitting.


         I tried that on the wife   She still wouldn't budge  wink



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427CARL wrote:
sasquatch wrote:

BMW the mixture is ATF and acetone.
Mix 50- 50 and shake it up before use as it will separate if left sitting.


         I tried that on the wife   She still wouldn't budge  wink


 Carl wrong intake I think for that one you need to try chocolate so they say.now for the exhaust never mind this will end up in off topic



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janies dirty 37 wrote:

no 


 Carl opened the door it is his fault.



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427CARL wrote:
sasquatch wrote:

BMW the mixture is ATF and acetone.
Mix 50- 50 and shake it up before use as it will separate if left sitting.


         I tried that on the wife   She still wouldn't budge  wink


 humph- thats funny, she worked for me but the 50-50 mixture was grey goose and o-j.   i had to,lol.



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