welcome to fuhrer wynne's stalag ontario.

WELL, all the people that voted for her [it, whatever] & none of them will fess up to it, got this "Majority" " F " ucked up mess of a Gov. that can now just about pass any bill, sell off any assets, & Tax the Crap out of us any time they want!!!!! Lets see how long it takes for more JOBS to leave the province when the carbon tax, Ont. Pension, & more hydro increases, higher Lic. plate & dr. lic. !! just to name a few. I don't think there's enough "Vaseline" in the Province, that will ease the pain of being "bent" over the barrel" & Wynne with a "strap ON" standing behind you!!!!!

for once I wish people in our province would vote with their heads. That b*tch is completely frigging nuts.

Iwannagofast wrote:

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for once I wish people in our province would vote with their heads. That b*tch is completely frigging nuts.

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And it will be harder than ever to get rid of her when she ads new ridings to the Toronto area like she has planned. As long as she keeps giving our majority of tax dollars to Toronto to buy votes she will be in Power. Until everyone else in the whole province gangs up against Toronto we,re doomed. 

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Ya, get rid of her and put the next crook in. They are all the same.
I stopped voting years ago. What would happen if nobody voted.
You get 3 crooks to choose from, which only gives the people the illusion of choice.
The game is rigged, the only option, is not to play.

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You have a point there. Maybe if nobody voted the politicians would get the hint they aren't serving their constituants as they promise to do . They have to vote for the leader and not make waves. That's what happened to Kim Craitor in Niagara Falls. He was always fighting for the Niagara area and butting heads with Dirty Dalton and that's why this area has lost so much under the LIEBERALS.  I have thought the same thing about Gasoline. What do you think would happen if everyone ran their car until it ran out of gas and blocked all of the highways and city streets. Do you think they would get the message? 

51 Styline wrote:

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Moobster wrote:

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Ya, get rid of her and put the next crook in. They are all the same.
I stopped voting years ago. What would happen if nobody voted.
You get 3 crooks to choose from, which only gives the people the illusion of choice.
The game is rigged, the only option, is not to play.

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You have a point there. Maybe if nobody voted the politicians would get the hint they aren't serving their constituants as they promise to do . They have to vote for the leader and not make waves. That's what happened to Kim Craitor in Niagara Falls. He was always fighting for the Niagara area and butting heads with Dirty Dalton and that's why this area has lost so much under the LIEBERALS.  I have thought the same thing about Gasoline. What do you think would happen if everyone ran their car until it ran out of gas and blocked all of the highways and city streets. Do you think they would get the message? 

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 I like your way of thinking.

Good for you , you just keep bitching and don't do anything about it . You are then allowing me and everyone else who votes to control what happens to you . So you are letting people who don't like hotrods vote for you , people who don't like guns and hunting vote for you, legalise drugs, let me vote for you. People need to vote no matter how distasteful, even if you just show up to register as abdicating(not spoiling) your vote as a form of protest, at least you expressed an opinion. By the way thanks for the tax money I am sure they will find a creative way to waste it for you. Ed

Sure is a frustrating situation.....It even has us arguing amoungst ourselves.

I guess we only have ourselves to blame...we did after all vote them in......funny though, I have yet to meet anyone that admits to have voted for them

 

Just wait until Trudeau gets in....................

I'm with Ed on that..If you don't bother to vote you have no say in the game ..Only the players have a say..Not voting makes you part of the problem..Even if they are all crooks if more tax payers who whine and snivel from their lawn chair did vote we could make a difference..We are in this position because of the apathy of those who can't bother to once every 4 or 5 years take one hour from their busy life to vote..That is why they do not fear the electorate because they know we will bitch, whine, grumble and complain about everything but will nor take the time to make an official complaint with their civic duty ..TO VOTE.. any idea how many people have died so we could have  the RIGHT  to make our voice heard..those who don't vote,  shame and disrespect those of our fore-fathers who gave their life so we could..How many hrs do we scrape and clean **** and rust form our vehicle, or raking  the yard. sitting on our a$$ at shown and shines while we bitch about all the hassels we have from the MOE , hydro bills, hospital wait, can't defend ourselves foe traffic fines and still we are to lazy to vote ..I don't buy the **** about NOT VOTING GIVES YOU NO RIGHT TO  HAVE ANY SAY IN THE CONVERSATION..sorry..you have not invested anything in the process..If everybody voted we could throw the ****ers out of office every term and they would get the message ..but as long as we are just whiners and bitchers who don't vote we will continue with the same old same old..and we get what we deserve....Just because you are not interested in the government ,does not mean they are not interested in you and your money..look at how much time and effort you put into that truck and look at what you got ..If we did put that effort into being involved in the process at election time do you really believe we could not make a difference....the greasy wheel bearing gets the grease..How do you think all the queers and lezzys and mooselims get so much special attention and so many rights..They get involved and organize while we scrape rust and bitch about how much it cost us to pay dumping fees ..We can't even organize a group of rodders to make a good show of protest at queens park for any of our causes..but we bitch away on here..It really is  sad we are so whiney and lazy..I tell the same to my family who bitch and don't vote ..I always say..STFU if you can't make it to the polling station where your voice is counted..

 

 

 

 

 

This is the totalitarian tiptoe, they strip you of your rights, one by one, until all your rights are gone...You can change that outcome by Voting YOU STILL HAVE THE RIGHT AND A DUTY TO VOTE..

I might as well chime in.

Although I do understand feeling the 'need' to vote, I also completely understand the feeling of 'why should I bother to vote' when it truly doesn't matter who a person votes for, when either way, you're voting for someone who is a liar and a cheat and someone who is going to screw you one way or the other (OK, so I lied a little bit .... I said 'who is going to screw you one way or the other' ... it should really read 'screw you ENDLESSLY, over and over, with a rusty railroad spike using the hottest Hot Sauce known to man' as lube)  

If old lady carpet licker wasn't in there messing things up, it would just be someone else.  For the record, I have nothing against lesbians, for years I used to think I was one, then one day my family doctor said "No, no no, you're not a lesbian, those are NOT your ovaries and your fallopian tube, those are boy 'bits'".  

 

I think the problem is that they aren't all the same, there is a lack of a creditable alternative to the party that's screwing us presently. That's been the case in the last 2 provincial elections, remember Hudak. That was also true when side winder Cretian was in power for some 13 years. It wasn't that he was that good it was there was no decent alternative. We always seem to get someone who is ok for the 1st term and then the power goes to their head and its no holds barred. I shudder to think about the next elections coming up, Harper???????????/ Trudeau, NOT, or whats his name. A true dilemma. As for the provincials in 4 years, I just hopr the PC candidate can keep his mouth shut. I hate to waste my votes like the last couple of times.

If I had bothered to vote and someone else was elected, I can promise you we would all be having virtually the same conversation about what a pathetic waste of skin is holding office, and who were the morons that voted for them, how they are screwing us and our province/country by wasting HUGE amounts of money, being deceitful etc etc etc.

Different name on the office won't change the number of complaints one bit.

Here's the simple version of why I didn't vote ...... I did not feel that ANYONE was worthy of my vote. Picking one poison over another is still picking poison. Just my point of view.

There is a difference between a spoiled ballot and reneging your vote. If you take your ballot and say none of the above or f-ck them all or something like that it is considered spoiled and therefor not counted and I don't think they keep a record of spoiled ballots. If you show up and refuse your ballot they call it recusing(or something like that) your vote. This is how 10s of thousands showed there distane for all of the candidates in the last provincial election. They showed up and used there right to vote as a protest. Maybe a spoiled ballot would also work, at least it shows someone cared enough to get off there ass for 1/2an hour and express an opinion. Ed

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I was not going to vote during the last provincial election, and it bugged the hell out of me, but my disdain for ALL politicians at every level has reached a point that I don't trust or believe a single word from them. Then I heard you can refuse your vote, you show up, collect your ballot and turn it back in saying you refuse, it is counted, unlike spoiled ballots that are not.I still took the time, didn't vote for any of the liars, and it was counted.

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I don't understand the point of doing this .  

How does staying at home and not voting, differ from attending a polling station and refusing the ballot (which is also essentially voting for no one), make any difference to the outcome of an election?  If refusing a ballot doesn't (or can't possibly) change the outcome of an election, why should I waste my time doing it?  The way I see it, if everyone who didn't bother voting, showed up and did this, Wynne would still be elected, would she not?

As I see it, refusing a ballot shows that the voter is not interested in voting for anyone.  Not voting at all also shows that the voter is not interested in voting for anyone.  What's the difference?

 You say that a refused ballot is counted  .....  my question is "towards what?"

 

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To my way of thinking if you don't show up to vote the politicians, in their warped way of thinking, assume you are to lazy or busy to get out and vote. If you do show up and refuse to vote they will,,, eventually,, get the idea that the voters aren't happy with them and their policies. 

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That's the only thing I could come up with too, only thing is, I can't imagine the winner or the losers of the election caring about anything more than how many votes they and the other candidates got.  I just can't see any of those idiots giving a rat-sass about votes that are technically meaningless to the election.  Just my opinion.

Ed, that's the best explanation I've ever heard Well DONE my MAN !!!!!!!

Has everyone forgot what happened in Mississauga in the Federal election???
How many other ridings did this happen to??? Who knows. Elections Canada was caught cheating, red handed.
Yet the people still have faith in the system??? Nice
Did anyone hear who went to jail for that one??? Lol

The outcome of an election is decided long before you or I make it to the polls.
No matter how you vote they just put the guy, they want in.
Now we have electronic voting. Oh that should be better. Let me write that algorithm.

Still don't think the game is rigged???

How did your vote go for this new AMP law???

What about the TPP???

Just some food for thought, my $.02, and even that's rounded down to Zero!!!

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So, the conservatives assume 30% and a guaranteed win.

Did anyone ever think that maybe a large percentage of the people who refrained from (or couldn't be bothered) voting, did so because they already know their party is guaranteed a win?

Just because someone didn't vote, definitely does not mean that if they had, they would have cast their vote for the same candidate/party that you voted for.

If I ever find a candidate that is decent, trustworthy, honest, and has integrity, I will vote, until then .................

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Decent,trustworthy,honest,integrity. These are not words used with the word politician. Maybe in days gone by ,but certainly not now. 

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So, the conservatives assume 30% and a guaranteed win.

Did anyone ever think that maybe a large percentage of the people who refrained from (or couldn't be bothered) voting, did so because they already know their party is guaranteed a win?

Just because someone didn't vote, definitely does not mean that if they had, they would have cast their vote for the same candidate/party that you voted for.

If I ever find a candidate that is decent, trustworthy, honest, and has integrity, I will vote, until then .................

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Decent,trustworthy,honest,integrity. These are not words used with the word politician. Maybe in days gone by ,but certainly not now. 

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 large percentage were ambulance chasers before getting into politics, those are words not used in the same sentence with lawyers

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I don't know where these guys came from but it seems that once they get a taste of living off of the taxpayers dollar they just cant stop being jerks. 

If everybody would take about two min to find their MPs e-mail and fire off a little paragraph expressing your opinion on this issue it could make a difference and you easily google your MPs e-mail..it is not rocket science..nor does it take any longer than taking a dump..and every body has one of them every day..so take your lap-top to the library and while your sitting at the porcelain seat of wisdom..in the study send off an e-mail..better than just venting and never doing any else....through my eyes..

The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees that as Canadians, that we have the ability to challenge any penal matters in court. This is the highest law in Canada, and no law that Wynne pushes through can trump it. She can try to remove your ability to fight HTA offences, but Chapter 11(B)(D) of the Charter guarentees that right.

This will have to be taken out of the ontario courts, to the Supreme Court of Canada, found unconstitutional, and struck down.

This brings another serious wrinkle, especially if this law is found unconstitutional, and struck down.

The police officers have sworn an oath to uphold the law, which includes not enforcing any laws that are obviously not legal. Because the Charter trumps all other laws in Canada, any police officer who enforces an unjust law opens themselves up to being sued personally because they are not protected by the Police Services act because when they are enforcing an unjust law, they are not acting as a peace officer.


Proceedings in criminal and penal matters

11. Any person charged with an offence has the right

(a) to be informed without unreasonable delay of the specific offence;

(b) to be tried within a reasonable time;

(c) not to be compelled to be a witness in proceedings against that person in respect of the offence;

(d) to be presumed innocent until proven guilty according to law in a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal;

(e) not to be denied reasonable bail without just cause;

(f) except in the case of an offence under military law tried before a military tribunal, to the benefit of trial by jury where the maximum punishment for the offence is imprisonment for five years or a more severe punishment;

(g) not to be found guilty on account of any act or omission unless, at the time of the act or omission, it constituted an offence under Canadian or international law or was criminal according to the general principles of law recognized by the community of nations;

(h) if finally acquitted of the offence, not to be tried for it again and, if finally found guilty and punished for the offence, not to be tried or punished for it again; and

(i) if found guilty of the offence and if the punishment for the offence has been varied between the time of commission and the time of sentencing, to the benefit of the lesser punishment.

51.. Great I do believe it makes a difference..They can't ignore you when you make contact..Slow ,steady, and persistently keep resending that e-mail and send it to every MP even if they are not in your riding I have the e-mails for every one of them and usually just send to all After all they want everybody to feel included in the process  ...so lets include them all the fukers..Sure hope every one remembers why we have hemorrhoids next election..throw the fukers out..I heard the Ontario government had their credit rating downgraded which means a higher interest rate we pay for the debt now standing at 375 billion dollars..

Ok here's my idea to get people to vote ; All elections , federal and provincial are done in conjunction with filing your tax return .
File your tax return and cast your vote , don't cast a vote pay the fine on top of your tax bill or it will be removed from your return
May sound far fetched but now your government we not be elected bye a small percentage but instead bye the masses

I received a message the other day from the NDP thanking me for the E-Mail about the AMP situation and the concerns of the Hot Rodding community about the proposed legislation changes. They said they are looking in to the AMP situation and preparing for when the Government sits again in the fall. They too are concerned with taking away peoples rights to dispute tickets. They are also going to look in to our concerns about the emission laws for hot rodders .