Same as a regular inspection and only have to worry about what was on the car when new. Example seeing it never had signals it will be exempt. Unless someone put them on then they count.

What year is the engine? If original no problem if it is newer you have to meet engine year specs

Read Pete Moss's second paragraph...

123pugsy wrote:

 

The sniffer cops will get you after you're certified and caught on the streets.

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I believe I read he is running a 1966 289 Ford engine so they will hopefully leave him alone.

iron horse wrote:

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Hey Cuddles, my car passed a safety just as you see it here.

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 By the letter of the law your car would not pass safety. Originally that car came with fenders and bumpers, thus requiring them for safety. You found a street rod friendly mechanic to fill out the required form.

I'm not saying your car is unsafe, I'm saying it doesn't meet the minimum requirements set out by the MTO.

 

 

Pete Moss wrote:

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I could be wrong but I believe door handles are a safety item as well (they were certainly stock items on Model A coupes and tudors).  Sumpin' about emergency people being able to open car doors in order to extract the remains 

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 Not all Model A's had exterior handles, 28 Roadsters for example only had inside handles, 29 had outside handles. I bet there's 29's out there that left the factory with 28 doors though - if they had any left over at the end of 28.

He is building the car to be safe. He understands the rainy day law and he has a mechanic who also understands. Unless you are creating a rooster tail, nobody has been hassled for years regarding the lack of fenders. Maybe the glass is half full, not half empty.

Warren

Pete Moss wrote:

I get that not all Model A's had exterior door handles but the coupe and tudor mentioned in this post certainly did  (cars with door glass, full door frames and solid roofs) 

It could have just been a rumour but I do remember hearing about people getting tickets for shaved handles when the mini-truck craze was in full swing and Model A coupes and tudors definitely left the factory with them. 

  

My point being that although there are plenty of cars running around without fenders, bumpers and with shaved door handles ... they may not be completely legal (I know, I've heard the "I the fought the no fender ticket and won" speech before) and therefore a person needing to get a cert for a car with those 'modifications' (or 'body parts missing') needs to find a mechanic willing to 'overlook' the obvious ... which, I'm guessing, is a relatively short list of mechanics.

Cuddles should contact Iron Horse regarding who he used 

 

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Nickeleye wrote:

 that was the only knowledge I could contribute here. I saw my window and took it. lol sorry.

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No reason to apologize for anything as you are correct, not all Model A Fords had door handles 

I guess the point of this entire post is meaningless as, according to Wuga, Cuddles already has a "hot rod friendly" mechanic eagerly waiting to sign the cert papers.  Would have been nice if Cuddles had mentioned that at the beginning of his "what do I need to do to make sure my hot rod passes certification" as that is something his mechanic should easily be able to answer.   

What is it about trucks. They seem to always be the ones getting hasseled MTO,MOE,and cops in general seem to be on there cases.Hot Rods and Kustoms seem to be able to get by but trucks not so much. Maybe its all that coal coming out of the stacks of a truck you could practicly drive under. I just want to thank them and the cambered tuners for keeping them busy so I can take my car out for a ride once in awhile. Ed

This car has historical plates

This car has regular vanity plates and no front fenders

This car has no plates and no fenders

I don't believe anybody was talking about cheating on the plates.  There is also a difference how the vehicle is used.  A truck that is on the road all day every day in all kinds of weather might need to meet fender laws.  Most guys driving a hot rod will never take it out in the rain and therefore are given a bit of slack when it comes to fenders.  I think the mechanic might also think the same way.  You still have to make your case.  I know cuddles is not trying to take advantage of knowing his mechanic, he just wants to have a hot rod like thousands of others already cruising our streets.  This is supposed to be a hot rod site where people with similar interests can come together and ask legitimate questions of owners of similar vehicles.  His car has door handles, he has made sure brakes and steering meet the most stringent levels, the body has no perforations and in the spirit of the sport, he is having fun.  So let's chill out and in the spirit of the question, those who have built something similar, just answer him.  Oh yes, I just met him and went to his home to see his build.

Warren

Pete Moss, you are the Ground Pounder of negativity.

Warren

DJD wrote:

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Regarding "fair weather only" vehicles not needing certain items ... I see no mention of this when determining whether or not a car is certifiable.

it's not so much about fair weather but rocks and debris on the road being flung into the air at traffic and people who may be hit by it
-thus being "safe"

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You are absolutely correct, I was just repeating the "fair weather" comment.  

I believe it was called "road spray" which can certainly include gravel etc, not just wet roads.

There is hardly a hot rod in the nation that would pass a strict safety but since they are driven so little and very seldom in inclement weather, they are deemed safe by the thousands of mechanics across the country who do the inspections. The reason we have this site and others like it is to help and support our fellow builders and rodders in a positive manner. We have all read the book and know how to get our Camry passed, but these are not a Camry. If you don't like what we are doing here, why participate unless it is to lurk and find fault.

Warren

ps Why don't you fill out a biography telling us what you are working on and sign your postings.

wuga wrote:

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There is hardly a hot rod in the nation that would pass a strict safety but since they are driven so little and very seldom in inclement weather, they are deemed safe by the thousands of mechanics across the country who do the inspections. 

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That make sense   

 

Sorry but I just love getting you riled up as you're just so cute when you're flying off the handle 

I don't say this to men often but I think I may be falling for you  

Nudge nudge, wink wink, hint hint 

 

 

 

Now let's target Cuddles for asking such a stupid question in the first place shall we ... can't let him get away with something that dumb without giving him the gears too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now, where is that damned IGNORE button?  Ah, there it is ... GOOD BYE Grandmaster Wuga 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Seams the easy answer is, to certify a car all systems that came with the car have to be working or attached as per the year the car is regestered as. Where you take it to be certified is the kicker. If you go to one of the larger chains I don't think a hot rod would have a chance in hell of passing. Even some of the smaller shops won't touch a rod because its out of there normal service . I doubt you will find a hot rod friendly shop on an open forum like this one,where big brother is always watching. The key is to ask at shows and cruise events . Guys with similar cars would probably be more than willing to steer you to hot rod friendly garages that would be willing to look at your car.
Always seams odd to me that people are all up in arms about fenders and door handles on an old car when we have new ones running around with faulty ignitions, steering,runaway acceleration and a whole list of safety recalls. These recalls are well known by authorities but these cars and trucks are still allowed to drive around freely.Wonder how many of the safety advocates park there daily till the problem is fixed. How about the no front plate rule or for that matter the readable issue about covers or paint falling off. Lots of legalities involved in getting a car on the road. Ed

I do NOT believe your question is stupid.

The correct answer to your question is, you are legally required to have any and all safety equipment that your vehicle was originally equipped with when it was built. This includes fenders and bumpers.

An honest mechanic has every right to refuse to certify your vehicle without fenders or bumpers and a cop (or the MTO) has every right to ticket you for not having fenders or bumpers (or door handles, horn, wipers or whatever else has been removed).

Due to this, you need to find a mechanic willing to overlook the fact that your car does NOT meet certain requirements in order to get your car "certified".  I say "certified" as it actually would not have been done completely legally.


That being said, one member here has attempted to missleed you with nonsense about there being a "rainy day law" that he claims exempts hot rods from having to meet certain LEGAL REQUIREMENTS. There is NO SUCH LAW in Ontario. Let me attempt to be perfectly clear ....  

 

THERE IS NO RAINY DAY LAW HERE IN ONTARIO CANADA.

 

 

My comment of "can't allow you to get away with such a stupid question" was taken out of context.  The intent was to suggest that in the eyes of Mr "rainy day law", your question IS stupid because everyone knows hot rods are not required to meet safety standards.

 

In the real world it is a legitimate question ... in the world a few others live in, you are a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic for asking something so dumb.  I am firmly situated in the first group 

 

 

Will all cops ticket you?  No.   

Will all mechanics certify your car the way it is?  Oh HELL no.  

Will you be able to find a mechanic willing to overlook the obvious?  Certainly as they are out there (but they sure as hell don't number in the thousands).

 

I am sorry I was not clearer when I posted the "dumbest question ever" comment but I hope this clears it up 

 

-- Edited by Pete Moss on Wednesday 27th of June 2018 09:03:51 AM

wuga wrote:

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There is hardly a hot rod in the nation that would pass a strict safety but since they are driven so little and very seldom in inclement weather, they are deemed safe by the thousands of mechanics across the country who do the inspections. 

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Pete Moss wrote:

That make sense 

Sorry but I just love getting you riled up as you're just so cute when you're flying off the handle 

I don't say this to men often but I think I may be falling for you 

Nudge nudge, wink wink, hint hint 

Now let's target Cuddles for asking such a stupid question in the first place shall we ... can't let him get away with something that dumb without giving him the gears too.

Now, where is that damned IGNORE button?  Ah, there it is ... GOOD BYE Grandmaster Wuga 

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The truth is I got tired of Wuga spouting off nonsense about "rainy day laws" and finally "agreed" with him just to put an end to my interaction with him.  My "that makes sense" comment was total BS as he is NOT making sense.  Do you happen to notice a little sarcasm in other parts of my post too like "I think I am falling for you"?  Obviously I wasn't clear enough but comment was nothing more than "yes Wuga, I agree with you (which I clearly DO NOT based on my other posts on this thread) and we should go after the OP for asking something so dumb" ... obviously I did a poor job of serving a massive heaping serving of sarcasm but that is what my intent was, nothing more than a sarcastic end to any more interaction on my part with "Grand Master Wuga".  

 

My apologies.  (feel free to go back and read the entire thread, only now keeping in mind that my "I agree with you Wuga" should be read in an overly sarcastic tone ... after he went after the rest of us for giving you legitimate responses to your question.  Note that Wuga seems to state that fenders and bumpers are NOT needed yet your own personal mechanic believes they are ... how interesting is that?

Cheers

-- Edited by Pete Moss on Wednesday 27th of June 2018 09:32:03 AM

wuga wrote:

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To all who live in the real world:

The fenders and bumpers are under construction.

Warren

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I can't help but wonder why a mechanic (who is obviously NOT one of "the thousands") would require fenders and bumpers in order to legally certify a car    strange, very strange 

wuga wrote:

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There are thousands of hot rods running around the country with no fenders. Some have been charged and tested in Ontario courts where the charge was over turned. Hence, the 'rainy day law', the court seemed to think you must be creating a rooster tail or other dangerous situation before the charge is legitimate. These cars were inspected and passed by someone as was mine. Of course, mechanics are getting more wary when doing safties since the new safely laws came down, but many understand what is really going on.

From the real world
Warren

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I get it ... Yes, there are a lot of cars out there running without fenders in Ontario. 

Some of them could have been certified the illegal way by "buying" a cert from a mechanic who never even see's the car (I can promise you, for reasons I will not admit to, that kind of thing happened a LOT in the past and I don't mean just for fenders).  Some of them could have been certified WITH fenders, then the fenders removed after the car was plated and stickered.  Some of them could have been certified by a mechanic who said to the owner "as long as you claim you removed the fenders after the cert and that they were there when I inspected it, I'll certify it without fenders" and some mechanics could have just filled out the cert, figuring the chance of a cop pulling a car over for no fenders is so small he's willing to risk it and sign the cert for his buddy or a friend of a friend ... BUT, in the eyes of the law ALL safety equipment that a car came with is STILL REQUIRED to be installed and in good condition for a LEGAL certification.  There is no actual "rainy day law" that states anything about infrequently driven vehicles being exempt from any and all required safety equipment and telling a newcomer to the hot rod world that there is such a thing is misleading and false.  I quoted actual certification requirements, directly from gov't documentation ... feel free to post actual gov't documentation (for Ontario) stating fenders are not required on rarely driven vehicles.  Please.

If you still believe this "rainy day law" actually exists ... then do us all a favour and post the contact information for the mechanic who signed your certification.  You'd be helping this poor guy out (OP of this thread) by allowing him to make it to the Chrome on the Canal show by saving him from making fenders and bumpers that your mechanic has apparently deemed as unnecessary.  No reason not to post the contact info on a public forum if the mechanic truly believes he is working within the law and he (the mechanic) just might appreciate any extra business it brings his way.

So, to wind up my participation in this thread ... please post both the gov't documentation of said law and the contact info for your mechanic ... you'd not only be shutting me up with your proof but the OP and others will benefit too. 

 

PS ... other posts of mine in this thread may or may not have contained some VERY well hidden  sarcasm like when I said "I agree with you Wuga ", " you are cute when you're angry ", "I've never said this to a man before but I think I'm falling for you " and "let's go after the OP for posting such a stupid question " ... this post does not contain any sarcasm but it does (you can all thank me for this one) signal the END of my "contribution" to this thread.

Over and da-phuque outta here 

 

 

 

 

 

DJD wrote:

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if the o-p is only interested in making it to a car show wouldn't a trip permit get him there???

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This is the other half of my personality answering this so the "real" me is still being silent and refraining from answering anything on this thread 

I believe trip permits are only issued to cars that are presently titled as "fit vehicles". 

-- Edited by Pete Moss on Thursday 28th of June 2018 05:43:38 PM

On the topic of saftey inspections,I am quite concerned over the number of vehicles that I see with suspension components and exhaust parts that will hit the asphalt if there is a flat tire,the last show I went to even had a vehicle where the frame would have hit the road surface.Head on collisions,rollovers,all control lost ,if you dig up the asphalt.

I was trying to come up with a term and Bob T nailed it with Dudley Do Rights . Seems the term hot rodder has mellowed over the years. I guess thats why I see so many new Mustangs and Cameros and Chargers at the shows and cruise nights. Where are the old real hot rods. First the brass cars disappeared then the restored 20s and 30s,hell even the vans are gone. Show up at a cruse night and see the new car lot,sorry I mean the rows of afor mentioned Mustangs and Cameros. Ya it seems hot rodders have mellowed away from the rebel and his ride and bin replaced by the gray beard and his post midlife crises safe mobile. Wonder if the rodders back in the early 70s thought the same about the new, wait for it,Mustangs,Cameros and Chargers. The idea is build something and get out there and drive the wheels off of it . With all the drugs,gangs,shootings and other really bad stuff going down do you really think some old dude in a fenderless roadster out on a sunney day is a priority. So I am off to work now in my ratty old 55,wish me luck. Ed

-- Edited by flatblack55delivery on Saturday 30th of June 2018 10:04:49 AM

that's a long standing complaint - too much new stuff
been going on like that since the 57 chevy's came out

see the more things change they more they stay the same
LOL

oh I was smiling and nodding along with you ..

and lol

here I like 80's front wheel drive chryslers with turbo 2.2's

how's about that for a laugh

-- Edited by DJD on Sunday 1st of July 2018 02:06:18 AM