crate motors and emissions police

old school · MUSSELMAN'S LAKE, ONT

crate motors and emissions police

wolfman1 · ST GEORGE, ONT

Crate motors are fine to run as is.
Seeing as a crate motor never had any emissions equipment it's not required unless the car you're putting it in had emissions equipment
Keep your receipt for the crate motor in your car
It's up to you to prove what it is.

427CARL · CLINTON, ONT

I'm so amazed and sad that theres so much troubles with the MOE especially in eastern Ont

We never ever see emissions police in SouthWestern Ont...

I sold a 69 car to a fellow from Windsor area, who worked for MOE He said they have enough work with big trucks He can't imagine bothering with a "few" old cars....

dualquadpete · BLACKSTOCK, ONT

Give it time Carl, once they figure out how to do it, & grab more $$$$ don't think they won't!!!! Emission laws cover the whole Prov. even if your in area that doesn't have testing [YET] The "DYKE" will get you!!!!!!

427CARL · CLINTON, ONT

dualquadpete wrote:
Give it time Carl, once they figure out how to do it, & grab more $$$$ don't think they won't!!!! Emission laws cover the whole Prov. even if your in area that doesn't have testing [YET] The "DYKE" will get you!!!!!!

I pray your wrong.... but you might be correct.... Maybe I will contact Premier Winn and ask her for help

old school · MUSSELMAN'S LAKE, ONT

Carl, don't poke the bear. Premier Winn may say to herself,"what! they aren't checking old cars in other parts of the province, Get some MOE officers down to London and blitz all car shows, show and shines and even antique car show fund raisers. Then send them to North Bay and north. We need more money!!"
It would be a sad day.

51 Styline · NIAGARA FALLS, ONT

old school wrote:
Carl, don't poke the bear. Premier Winn may say to herself,"what! they aren't checking old cars in other parts of the province, Get some MOE officers down to London and blitz all car shows, show and shines and even antique car show fund raisers. Then send them to North Bay and north. We need more money!!"
It would be a sad day.

X2. Don't give her any ideas.

studeshaker · BUCKHORN, ONT

getting to the point around here that you don't want to open your hood at cruise nights - m.o.e. undercover dickweeds !!!

427CARL · CLINTON, ONT

old school wrote:
Carl, don't poke the bear. Premier Winn may say to herself,"what! they aren't checking old cars in other parts of the province, Get some MOE officers down to London and blitz all car shows, show and shines and even antique car show fund raisers. Then send them to North Bay and north. We need more money!!"
It would be a sad day.

I guess your right I heard she didn't like to be "poked" anymore lol lol lol

studeshaker · BUCKHORN, ONT

she's definitely not a fan of pokemon.

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

studeshaker wrote:
she's definitely not a fan of pokemon.

LMAO! Is she a fan of "Peak A Chew"?

old school · MUSSELMAN'S LAKE, ONT

so guys, I,m looking at possibly purchasing GM's 350 / 290hp crate motor without the intake, carb, dist etc. If I put my own on, is it still as wolfman said earlier in this thread? Just have my bill and I'm golden?

51 Styline · NIAGARA FALLS, ONT

old school wrote:
so guys, I,m looking at possibly purchasing GM's 350 / 290hp crate motor without the intake, carb, dist etc. If I put my own on, is it still as wolfman said earlier in this thread? Just have my bill and I'm golden?

Depends on what vehicle you put the motor in. If the car originally had emission controls the motor must meet the standards for that year and model. I believe it was early 70s when the standards were established. Pre 1970 you should be OK.

old school · MUSSELMAN'S LAKE, ONT

a little off note here, is anyone coming to stouffville on Sept 13 for stouffville motorfest auto show this year? they are expecting over 1000 vehicles, I will be there but my cars won't. if you see me come over and say hi, I would like to meet you all in person. oh ya, I'll be the good looking old fart using a walker or cane, most likely a walker. Hopefully the emissions cops won't be there. I don't think they have showed up in the past. but I wonder if they will be "undercover", watch for guys taking too much interest under the hoods of cars, maybe even making notes then checking plate numbers for a time when they see that car without so many people around. wouldn't put it past them.

dualquadpete · BLACKSTOCK, ONT

Yep, will be there with the Avanti,or the 52 Pontiac Torpedo back [flat black] usually up on the side walk at front!!!! Pete

dualquadpete · BLACKSTOCK, ONT

I was at the Lindsay A&W cruise last night, saw a beautiful 63 or 64 Chevy II rag top, LS3 powered, 5 spd trans & on a full chassis, well done "high" dollar car, with tons of mods.& the more you looked the more you saw, BUT, not one piece of Emm. equipment on it!!!! Talked to owner, very nice fellow, & suggested that he "NOT" bring the car down to my area as he'd be "BUSTED" in a second if they saw this one coming!!! Some folks are still under the impression that it's the yr. of the car & not the yr. of engine!!!! "RUDE" awakening for some when they find out they [Gov.] changed the game, & 'forgot" to tell the public about the change???? Pete

51 Styline · NIAGARA FALLS, ONT

dualquadpete wrote:
I was at the Lindsay A&W cruise last night, saw a beautiful 63 or 64 Chevy II rag top, LS3 powered, 5 spd trans & on a full chassis, well done "high" dollar car, with tons of mods.& the more you looked the more you saw, BUT, not one piece of Emm. equipment on it!!!! Talked to owner, very nice fellow, & suggested that he "NOT" bring the car down to my area as he'd be "BUSTED" in a second if they saw this one coming!!! Some folks are still under the impression that it's the yr. of the car & not the yr. of engine!!!! "RUDE" awakening for some when they find out they [Gov.] changed the game, & 'forgot" to tell the public about the change???? Pete

From what I have been able to find out about the Emission standards it is BOTH the year of the engine and/or the year of the car. They got you both ways. Put a newer engine that came with emission controls in a pre emission car and the engine must have the controls. If you put an older pre emission engine in a car that came with controls it must meet the standards. The got you.

old school · MUSSELMAN'S LAKE, ONT

That's why i'm looking for a pre 1970 engine for both my '61 suburban and '31 Model A. There's lots of them out there, but some are in rough shape. I went to look at one and actually asked the guy if he used it as a boat anchor. And he wanted money for it. The other end of the scope are guys who want so much for them its crazy. Well I'll keep looking.

wolfman1 · ST GEORGE, ONT

You're fine with a crate motor in either of those vehicles

-- Edited by wolfman1 on Friday 5th of September 2014 11:39:35 AM

studeshaker · BUCKHORN, ONT

my buddy wants 500 bucks for a complete 1966 - 283 and it comes with a powerglide.

427CARL · CLINTON, ONT

51 Styline wrote:
dualquadpete wrote:
I was at the Lindsay A&W cruise last night, saw a beautiful 63 or 64 Chevy II rag top, LS3 powered, 5 spd trans & on a full chassis, well done "high" dollar car, with tons of mods.& the more you looked the more you saw, BUT, not one piece of Emm. equipment on it!!!! Talked to owner, very nice fellow, & suggested that he "NOT" bring the car down to my area as he'd be "BUSTED" in a second if they saw this one coming!!! Some folks are still under the impression that it's the yr. of the car & not the yr. of engine!!!! "RUDE" awakening for some when they find out they [Gov.] changed the game, & 'forgot" to tell the public about the change???? Pete
From what I have been able to find out about the Emission standards it is BOTH the year of the engine and/or the year of the car. They got you both ways. Put a newer engine that came with emission controls in a pre emission car and the engine must have the controls. If you put an older pre emission engine in a car that came with controls it must meet the standards. The got you.

Still almost unbelievable conversations YOU guys better pack up and leave Maybe move to Southwestern Ontario or stop voting Liberal biggrin

studeshaker · BUCKHORN, ONT

carl, most of the ridings around here are conservative.

51 Styline · NIAGARA FALLS, ONT

studeshaker wrote:
carl, most of the ridings around here are conservative.

X2. The Liberals have screwed the Niagara area so bad they had a hard time finding anyone to even run in the last election. If it wasn't for the GTA the Liberals would be dead and buried.

Modfather · VICTORIA HARBOUR, ONT

Dead issue that all I am going to say

69SS454 · MILTON, ONT

Agreed dead issue...but I'll post this again for those that like to worry and want to be safe.

Whether your car is a true hot rod or simply a modified vehicle, it has emissions requirements.

The full requirements are set out in the Environmental Protection Act, under the Motor Vehicle Regulation (Ontario Regulation 361/98).

The requirements depend on the car’s original model year:
• 1999 model year or older
• 2000 model year or newer

Definition of a hot rod

Under law, a hot rod is any car whose original motor has been replaced by a different type.

Type refers to the motor’s:
• manufacturer
• block size (displacement)
• use in the vehicle’s model and model year*

*Any motor that was available for that model and model year (for example, it may have come as an option) would not be a different type and, therefore, not qualify as a hot rod.

Original Car (1999 model year or older)

Motor replaced pre-1999

Requirements:
• Vehicle cannot operate if there are visible emissions for more than 15 seconds in any five-minute period
• For Drive Clean testing (if applicable), the vehicle is deemed to be a 1980 model year and must meet or exceed - the standards set for “1980 and earlier” model-year vehicles
• Catalytic converter and emission control equipment requirements do not apply to hot rods altered prior to January 1, 1999
• Without emissions control equipment functioning, the vehicle could fail the Drive Clean test

Motor replaced post January 1, 1999

Requirements:
• Vehicle cannot legally operate if there are visible emissions for more than 15 seconds in any 5-minute period
• For Drive Clean testing, the vehicle must meet or exceed what were the emissions standards of the original motor when all original emission control equipment was functioning.
• If there weren’t any standards established for the original motor, the vehicle is deemed to be a 1980 model - the standards listed for “1980 and earlier” model-year vehicles apply
• All emissions control equipment must be attached and functioning (equipment refers to what came with the replacement motor or be equivalent to what would have come with that motor)

Motor replaced anytime

Requirements:
• Vehicle cannot legally operate if there are visible emissions for more than 15 seconds in any 5-minute period
• For Drive Clean testing, the vehicle model year is the model year as designated by the manufacturer
• Vehicle must meet or exceed what were the emissions standards for the original motor when all original emission control equipment was functioning
• All emissions control equipment must be attached and functioning (equipment refers to what came with the replacement motor or be equivalent to what would have come with that motor)

Proof of motor replacement

The onus is on the hot rod owner to prove when the motor was replaced; otherwise, it will be deemed to have been done after January 1, 1999.

An original receipt for the installation/purchase of the replacement motor is an example of proof.

Part 2....

Understanding Emission Requirements for Hot Rods in
Regulation 361/98 under the Environmental Protection Act

You have a duty to maintain your vehicle’s emissions equipment according to the rules outlined here. Below are various situations that demonstrate these rules.

Q: In 1995 the owner of a 1935 Ford (no original emission components) installed a 1986 Chevy V8 motor (originally required multiple emission components). What are the emission requirements?

A: This vehicle must:

meet the visible emission standards
the catalytic converter requirements do not apply
the emission control equipment requirements do not apply
meet the emissions standards for 1980 and earlier model year vehicles if a provincial officer asks for a Drive Clean test.

Q: In 2001, the owner of a 1935 Ford (no original emission components) installed a 1986 Chevy V8 motor (originally required multiple emission components). What are the emission requirements?

A: This vehicle must:

meet the visible emission standards
meet the emission standards set for the original motor (1935). As there were none, the car must meet the emissions standards for 1980 and earlier model year vehicles
if a provincial officer asks for a Drive Clean test have all emissions control equipment normally included with the replacement motor (1986), or its equivalent, attached and functioning.

Q: In 1995 the owner of a 1935 Ford (no original emission components) installed a 1963 Chevy V8 motor (with no original emission components). What are the emission requirements?

A: This vehicle must:

meet the visible emission standards
the catalytic converter requirements do not apply
the emission control equipment requirements do not apply
meet the emissions standards for 1980 and earlier model year vehicles if a provincial officer asks for a Drive Clean test.

Q: In 2001 the owner of a 1935 Ford (no original emission components) installed a 1963 Chevy V8 motor (with no original emission components). What are the emission requirements?

A: This vehicle must:

meet the visible emission standards
the catalytic converter requirements do not apply as the replacement motor did not come originally equipped
the emission control equipment requirements do not apply as the replacement motor did not come originally equipped
meet the emission standards set for the original motor (1935). As there were none, the car must meet the emissions standards for 1980 and earlier model-year vehicles if a provincial officer asks for a Drive Clean test.

Q: In 1995, the owner of a 1986 GMC vehicle installed a 1970s motor. What are the emission requirements?

A: This vehicle must:

meet the visible emission standards
the catalytic converter requirements do not apply
the emission control equipment requirements do not apply
meet the emissions standards for 1980 and earlier model year vehicles if a provincial officer asks for a Drive Clean test.

Q: In 2001, the owner of a 1986 GMC vehicle installed a 1970s motor. What are the emission requirements?

A: This vehicle must:

meet the visible emission standards
meet the emission standards set for the original motor (1986).
have all emissions control equipment normally included with the replacement motor (1970), or its equivalent, attached and functioning.

Q: The owner of a 2005 Chevrolet vehicle installed a 2011 crate motor. (The 2011 crate motor was not designed or equipped with any emission components). What are the emission requirements?

A: This vehicle must:

meet the visible emission standards
meet the emission standards set for the original motor (2005).
have all emissions control equipment normally included with the replacement motor (2011), or its equivalent, attached and functioning. Since the crate motor did not come with any emission components, none are required.
meet or exceed the 2005 standards for that original motor if a provincial officer asks for a Drive Clean test. Although emissions control equipment is not required, without it, the car would likely fail the Drive Clean test.

Q: What are the emission requirements for a 1968 Chevy with the original engine?

A: This vehicle must:

meet the visible emission standards
meet the emission standards for the model year of the vehicle (1968). As there were none, the car must meet the emissions standards for 1980 and earlier model year vehicles if a provincial officer asks for a Drive Clean test
have all the original emissions control equipment, or its equivalent, attached and functioning.
FYI, this vehicle is not considered to be a “hot rod’ because it has the original engine for the make and model year. This is true even if it has other modifications.

Q: What are the emission requirements for a 2004 Honda with the original engine that has been modified with performance parts, (i.e., turbocharger, cold air intake, etc.)?

A: This vehicle must:

meet the visible emission standards
meet the emission standards for the model year of the vehicle (2004)
have all the original emissions control equipment, or its equivalent, attached and functioning.
FYI, even though this vehicle has been modified, it is not considered to be a “hot rod”. That’s because the modification to the engine (turbocharger) did not change the engine, which was available to buyers of that make and model year of vehicle.
=============================================

If you have questions, email the ministry's Sector Compliance Branch at ReviewDirectorSCB@ontario.ca.

SOURCE - Drive Clean - Understanding Hot Rod Emissions Requirements (Scenarios) - Ministry of the Environment

NOTE: If you have any concerns that a roadside officer may pull you over and apply these rules incorrectly, why not print this information out and place it in your glovebox?

You're welcome.

All of the above clipped from the internet

old school · MUSSELMAN'S LAKE, ONT

thank you very much
that was very informative
I had read a lot of what you wrote somewhere before, not sure where
again, thanks 69SS454

Don · PRINCE EDWARD COUNTY

I used to teach the emissions course from time to time to industry at Loyalist College . The law has changed very little but the enforcement has gone from reasonable to stupid. IE If you put a 1980 engine in anything then it must have 1980 emission equipment. Plain and simple. Does that really make sense ? No but expecting common sense from the government is like expecting money from a elephant at the zoo. In both cases you will be disappointed. Now I am going to step right into it. Wait till I steady myself so I can duck. Ok here goes. Why would anyone buy a crate engine? Any machine shop in Ontario could redo an older block for you with better performance for less money. And a carefuller job. Then the emission thing is not an issue because you can use a engine that suits your car, spend less , have more power and angst nicht.
They are certainly no bargin.
don

Musselmans Lake! I used to go swimming and picnicking there when I lived in Altona! Late 1950s

-- Edited by Don on Sunday 14th of September 2014 09:16:19 AM

old school · MUSSELMAN'S LAKE, ONT

Ya, everyone, well not Everyone, but a lot of people keep saying, buy a crate and you're done. Because its never been in a car and was not designated for a particular car, it didn't come with emissions and doesn't need any. I'm not so sure, even when I go to the gm dealership parts counter and start asking questions about it they get ansi. Last time i was at a dealership trying to get answers and they had a nice shiny new crate motor on display, it had a small tag that was trying to hide, that said something like "not for highway use or for off-road use only". The parts guy was trying to leave for the day when I noticed that bit of info. just saying'. Anyway, I'm going old engine, 1964 in the suburban, close to proper year. proper displacement, only thing is I got it from a GMC suburban and they ran Pontiac engines in the GMC suburbans not Chevrolet.
Dale

poncho62 · ADMINISTRATOR

In Canada, GMCs used Chevy engines as far as I know.

poncho62 · ADMINISTRATOR

I just Googled GMC Canada trucks, came up with this...might be helpfull to you

Here is a decoder for Canadian 60-66 chev and gmc trucks:

This did not copy and paste like I wanted.
You can also use this link: http://www.oeltd.net/doc/6066gmc/VINs/gmc-canada.htm

pics of the chev and gmc vin tags are at the bottom of this page.

1960 - 1966 Canadian Chevrolet & GMC VIN
Chevrolet Truck
(1) The first digit indicates the model year
(2) The second digit indicates the body style
(3) The third & fourth digits indicate the series
(4) The fifth & sixth digits indicate the model
(5) The seventh digit indicates whether 4, 6 or 8 cylinder
(6) The remaining numbers indicate the particular truck
(7) The last letter indicates the GVW class
GMC Truck
(1) The first digit indicates the model year
(2) The second digit indicates the body style
(3) The third digit indicates GMC Truck
(4) The fourth & fifth digits indicate the series
(5) The sixth & seventh digits indicate the model
(6) The eighth digit indicates whether 4, 6 or 8 cylinder
(7) The remaining numbers indicate the particular truck
(8) The last letter indicates the GVW class

Body Style
C - Conventional Cab
P - Step Van / Package Delivery
L - Short Cab / Low Cab Forward
K - Four Wheel Drive
G - Van (lightweight) GVW Class
A - 6,000 & less
B - 6,001 to 10,000
C - 10,001 to 14,000
D - 14,001 to 16,000
E - 16,001 to 19,500
F - 19,501 to 26,000
G - 26,001 to 33,000
H - 33,001 & over

Model / Series Data

1960 - 1961
Chevrolet GMC Body Wheelbase GVW
C1402 C91402 Flat Face Cowl 115 inches 5200 GVW
C1403 C91403 Cab & Chassis
C1404 C91404 Stepside Pickup
C1405 C91405 Panel
C1434 C91434 Fleetside Pickup

C1503 C91503 Cab & Chassis 127 inches 5000 GVW
C1504 C91504 Stepside Pickup
C1534 C91534 Fleetside Pickup

C2502 C92502 Flat Face Cowl 127 inches 7500 GVW
C2503 C92503 Cab & Chassis
C2504 C92504 Stepside Pickup
C2534 C92534 Fleetside Pickup

1962
Chevrolet GMC Body Wheelbase GVW
C1402 C91402 Flat Face Cowl 115 inches 5200 GVW
C1403 C91403 Cab & Chassis
C1404 C91404 Stepside Pickup
C1405 C91405 Panel
C1434 C91434 Fleetside Pickup

C1503 C91503 Cab & Chassis 127 inches 5200 GVW
C1504 C91504 Stepside Pickup
C1534 C91534 Fleetside Pickup

P1342 P91342 Forward Control Chassis 102 inches 5400 GVW
P1345 P91345 Step Van Panel

C2502 C92502 Flat Face Cowl 127 inches 7500 GVW
C2503 C92503 Cab & Chassis
C2504 C92504 Stepside Pickup
C2534 C92534 Fleetside Pickup

P2342 P92342 Forward Control Chassis 104 inches 10000 GVW
P2345 P92345 Step Van Panel
P2542 P92542 Forward Control Chassis 125 inches
P2545 P92545 Step Van Panel
P2642 P92642 Forward Control Chassis 137 inches
P2645 P92645 Step Van Panel

C3602 C93602 Flat Face Cowl 133 inches 10000 GVW
C3603 C93603 Cab & Chassis
C3604 C93604 Stepside Pickup
C3605 C93605 Panel

C4102 C94102 Flat Face Cowl 133 inches 14000 GVW
C4103 C94103 Cab & Chassis
C4302 C94302 Flat Face Cowl 157 inches
C4303 C94303 Cab & Chassis

1963
Chevrolet GMC Body Wheelbase GVW
C1402 C91402 Flat Face Cowl 115 inches 5000 GVW
C1403 C91403 Cab & Chassis
C1404 C91404 Stepside Pickup
C1405 C91405 Panel
C1434 C91434 Fleetside Pickup

K1403 K91403 Cab & Chassis 115 inches 5600 GVW
K1404 K91404 Stepside Pickup
K1405 K91405 Panel
K1434 K91434 Fleetside Pickup

C1503 C91503 Cab & Chassis 127 inches 5000 GVW
C1504 C91504 Stepside Pickup
C1534 C91534 Fleetside Pickup

K1503 K91503 Cab & Chassis 127 inches 5600 GVW
K1504 K91504 Stepside Pickup
K1534 K91534 Fleetside Pickup

P1342 P91342 Forward Control Chassis 102 inches 5400 GVW
P1345 P91345 Step Van Panel

C2502 C92502 Flat Face Cowl 127 inches 7500 GVW
C2503 C92503 Cab & Chassis
C2504 C92504 Stepside Pickup
C2534 C92534 Fleetside Pickup

K2503 K92503 Cab & Chassis 127 inches 7600 GVW
K2504 K92504 Stepside Pickup
K2534 K92534 Fleetside Pickup

P2342 P92342 Forward Control Chassis 104 inches 8500 GVW
P2345 P92345 Step Van Panel
P2542 P92542 Forward Control Chassis 125 inches
P2545 P92545 Step Van Panel
P2642 P92642 Forward Control Chassis 137 inches
P2645 P92645 Step Van Panel

C3602 C93602 Flat Face Cowl 133 inches 10000 GVW
C3603 C93603 Cab & Chassis
C3604 C93604 Stepside Pickup 7800 GVW
C3605 C93605 Panel
C3803 C93803 Cab & Chassis 157 inches 10000 GVW

1964
Chevrolet GMC Body Wheelbase GVW
G1205 G91205 Panel Body 90 inches 4850 GVW
C1402 C91402 Flat Face Cowl 115 inches 5000 GVW
C1403 C91403 Cab & Chassis
C1404 C91404 Stepside Pickup
C1405 C91405 Panel
C1434 C91434 Fleetside Pickup

K1403 K91403 Cab & Chassis 115 inches 5600 GVW
K1404 K91404 Stepside Pickup
K1405 K91405 Panel
K1434 K91434 Fleetside Pickup

C1503 C91503 Cab & Chassis 127 inches 5000 GVW
C1504 C91504 Stepside Pickup
C1534 C91534 Fleetside Pickup

K1503 K91503 Cab & Chassis 127 inches 5600 GVW
K1504 K91504 Stepside Pickup
K1534 K91534 Fleetside Pickup

P1342 P91342 Forward Control Chassis 102 inches 5400 GVW
P1345 P91345 Step Van Panel

C2502 C92502 Flat Face Cowl 127 inches 7500 GVW
C2503 C92503 Cab & Chassis
C2504 C92504 Stepside Pickup
C2534 C92534 Fleetside Pickup

K2503 K92503 Cab & Chassis 127 inches 7600 GVW
K2504 K92504 Stepside Pickup
K2534 K92534 Fleetside Pickup

P2342 P92342 Forward Control Chassis 104 inches 7000 GVW
P2345 P92345 Step Van Panel
P2535 P92585 Forward Control Panel Body 125 inches
P2542 P92542 Forward Control Chassis
P2545 P92545 Step Van Panel
P2635 P92685 Forward Control Panel Body 137 inches
P2642 P92642 Forward Control Chassis
P2645 P92645 Step Van Panel

C3602 C93602 Flat Face Cowl 133 inches 10000 GVW
C3603 C93603 Cab & Chassis
C3604 C93604 Stepside Pickup
C3605 C93605 Panel
C3803 C93803 Cab & Chassis 157 inches
1965
Chevrolet GMC Body Wheelbase GVW
G1205 G91275 Panel 90 inches 5000 GVW
G1206 G91276/td> Suburban (Std.)
G1226 g91286 Suburban (Custom)
C1402 C91402 Flat Face Cowl 115 inches 5000 GVW
C1403 C91403 Cab & Chassis
C1404 C91404 Stepside Pickup
C1405 C91405 Panel
C1406 C91406 Suburban (Panel Doors)
C1412 C91412 W/S Cowl
C1416 C91416 Suburban (End Gate)
C1434 C91434 Fleetside Pickup

K1403 K91403 Cab & Chassis 115 inches 5600 GVW
K1404 K91404 Stepside Pickup
K1405 K91405 Panel
K1406 K91406 Suburban (Panel Doors)
K1416 K91416 Suburban (End Gate)
K1434 K91434 Fleetside Pickup

C1503 C91503 Cab & Chassis 127 inches 5000 GVW
C1504 C91504 Stepside Pickup
C1534 C91534 Fleetside Pickup

K1503 K91503 Cab & Chassis 127 inches 5600 GVW
K1504 K91504 Stepside Pickup
K1534 K91534 Fleetside Pickup

P1342 P91372 Forward Control Chassis 102 inches 5400 GVW
P1345 P91375 Step Van Panel

C2502 C92502 Flat Face Cowl 127 inches 7500 GVW
C2503 C92503 Cab & Chassis
C2504 C92504 Stepside Pickup
C2512 C92512 W/S Cowl
C2534 C92534 Fleetside Pickup

K2503 K92503 Cab & Chassis 127 inches 7600 GVW
K2504 K92504 Stepside Pickup
K2534 K92534 Fleetside Pickup

P2342 P92372 Forward Control Chassis 104 inches 7000 GVW
P2345 P92375 Step Van Panel
P2535 P92585 Step Van Panel (Sq. Front) 125 inches
P2542 P92572 Forward Control Chassis
P2545 P92575 Step Van Panel
P2635 P92685 Step Van Panel (Sq. Front) 137 inches
P2642 P92672 Forward Control Chassis
P2645 P92675 Step Van Panel
1966
Chevrolet GMC Body Wheelbase GVW
G1205 G91275 Panel 90 inches 5000 GVW
G1206 G91276 Suburban (Std.)
G1226 G91286 Suburban (Custom)
C1402 C91402 Flat Face Cowl 115 inches 5000 GVW
C1403 C91403 Cab & Chassis
C1404 C91404 Stepside Pickup
C1405 C91405 Panel
C1406 C91406 Suburban (Panel Doors)
C1416 C91416 Suburban (End Gate)
C1434 C91434 Fleetside Pickup
C1503 C91503 Cab & Chassis 127 inches
C1504 C91504 Stepside Pickup
C1434 C91434 Fleetside Pickup

K1403 K91403 Cab & Chassis 115 inches 5600 GVW
K1404 K91404 Stepside Pickup
K1405 K91405 Panel
K1406 K91406 Suburban (Panel Doors)
K1416 K91416 Suburban (End Gate)
K1434 K91434 Fleetside Pickup
C1503 C91503 Cab & Chassis 127 inches
C1504 C91504 Stepside Pickup
C1434 C91434 Fleetside Pickup

P1342 P91372 Forward Control Chassis 102 inches 5400 GVW
P1345 P91375 Step Van Panel (Sq. Front)

C2502 C92502 Flat Face Cowl 127 inches 7500 GVW
C2503 C92503 Cab & Chassis
C2504 C92504 Stepside Pickup
C2534 C92534 Fleetside Pickup

K2503 K92503 Cab & Chassis 127 inches 7600 GVW
K2504 K92504 Stepside Pickup
K2534 K92534 Fleetside Pickup

P2342 P92372 Forward Control Chassis 104 inches 7000 GVW
P2345 P92375 Step Van Panel
P2535 P92585 Step Van Panel (Sq. Front) 125 inches
P2542 P92572 Forward Control Chassis
P2545 P92575 Step Van Panel
P2635 P92685 Step Van Panel (Sq. Front) 137 inches
P2642 P92672 Forward Control Chassis
P2645 P92675 Step Van Panel

C3602 C93602 Flat Face Cowl 133 inches 10000 GVW
C3603 C93603 Cab & Chassis
C3604 C93604 Stepside Pickup
C3605 C93605 Panel
C3803 C93803 Cab & Chassis 157 inches

Engines Available
1960-62
235 -6 Cyl. (std.)
283 - 8 Cyl (opt.)
1963
230 - 6 Cyl (std.)
292 - 6 Cyl (opt.)
283 - 8 Cyl (opt.)
153 - 4 Cyl (P1342/P91342)
1964
153 - 4 Cyl (Std. G1205/G91205 & P1342/P91342)
194 - 6 Cyl (Opt. G1205/G91205)
230 - 6 Cyl (Std.)
292 - 6 Cyl (Opt.)
283 - 8 Cyl (Opt.)
1965
153 - 4 Cyl (Std. G1205/G91275;G1206/G91276;G1226/G91286;P1342/P91372;P1345/P91375)
230 - 6 Cyl (Opt. G1205/G91275;G1206/G91276;G1226/G91286;P1342/P91372;P1345/P91375)
230 - 6 Cyl (Std.)
292 - 6 Cyl (Opt.)
283 - 8 Cyl (Opt.)
1966
194 - 6 Cyl (Std. G1205/G91275;G1206/G91276;G1226/G91286;P1342/P91372;P1335/P91385)
230 - 6 Cyl (Opt. G1205/G91275;G1206/G91276;G1226/G91286;P1342/P91372;P1335/P91385)
250 - 6 Cyl (Std.)
292 - 6 Cyl (Opt.)
283 - 8 Cyl (Opt.)
327 - 8 Cyl (Opt.)

Option engines were not available on all models

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12/19/2003 00:00:00

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old school · MUSSELMAN'S LAKE, ONT

sorry i should have mentioned my engine came from a US gmc suburban. although i don't think it makes any difference, my engine turns out to be a strato-flash 283 pontiac engine

Engines included I-6 and the small block V8s. Chevrolet used its 265 V8 engine, later evolving it to a 283-cubic-inch version. GMC based their V8 on a Pontiac design.

got this from wikipedia, and we all knoe how accurate they are.

poncho62 · ADMINISTRATOR

Can you show us a pic of this engine....A 283 is a Chevy engine...My 62 Canadian Pontiac had a 283 Chevy engine in it, although they called it a different name than Chevy used. They said Pontiac on the valve covers

If your truck was built in Oshawa, it would have had the Chevy engine

51 Styline · NIAGARA FALLS, ONT

I worked at a Pontiac Buick Gmc dealer starting in 63. The V8 engines in cars , Strato Chief, Laurentian, Parisienne , etc. were Chev V8s with Pontiac Strato Chief Decals. The Gmc trucks used the same engines. In 67 Firebird used the US engine.

dualquadpete · BLACKSTOCK, ONT

Emission Police were back in Port Perry today {tues.} on the start of the Causeway on 7A so no getting away in either direction. had a mid 70's Monte Carlo pulled over & driver, leaned up against his door, did not look like a "happy camper" with the hood up, & inspector's head in there!!! Don't know the car or driver so can't give an outcome!!!!

old school · MUSSELMAN'S LAKE, ONT

Has anyone signed the petition started by Steve Clark, MPP, Leeds-Grenville? I recently purchased a motor from a guy and he gave me a copy of the petition. I do not know Steve Clark, but apparently he is a long time car guy. The petition is to exempt vehicles 20 years old or older from Drive Clean Testing and any additional emissions requiremeents enforced by the MOE etc.
If anyone wants a copy of the petition, I could scan it and post it here if that is not against the rules for posts.
Dale

toomuchjunk · S/W ONTARIO

old school wrote:
Has anyone signed the petition started by Steve Clark, MPP, Leeds-Grenville? I recently purchased a motor from a guy and he gave me a copy of the petition. I do not know Steve Clark, but apparently he is a long time car guy. The petition is to exempt vehicles 20 years old or older from Drive Clean Testing and any additional emissions requiremeents enforced by the MOE etc.
If anyone wants a copy of the petition, I could scan it and post it here if that is not against the rules for posts.
Dale

this it?

http://www.canadianrodder.com/moe_petitions/Petition-Classic-Vehicles-Emissions.pdf

will · WALKERTON, ONT

Steve Clark is on our side and needs our help. The more signatures we give him the better chance he has of being heard. We also all need to send copies to our local MPP's so they know what their voters want and hopefully will support Steve Clark.

old school · MUSSELMAN'S LAKE, ONT

That is the one. The Feds are in NY at the UN thing, harping on vehicle emissions, hopefully it only has to do with new vehicles. I agree with will, we need to let our MPP's know how we feel, after all, they are supposed to represent us. Spread the word and sign the petition. If you need more info, call Steve Clark, if he has a moment he is happy to talk about this issue; 613-342-9522, 1-800-267-4408 I believe those are his numbers.
Dale