I've heard of this...and not sure if the Municipality I live in has that Bylaw...if we does I gots a problem! LOL I know that some of the subdivisions around here have bylaws specifically for them about trailers and campers in their driveways...and no clothes lines?

I have no idea how these bylaws can actually be enforced if you own the property (as much as anyone really "owns" their property)...but here is what I DO understand and agree with. I should not be allowed to freely do anything to my property that might negatively affect the investment or value of my neighbours property (as they shouldn't be able to do to my investment)...so,if I live in a neighbourhood that is consistantly well manicured by it's individual home owners, and the property value on the street or in the neighbourhood is reflective of this type of neighbourhood...it is not really fair for me to allow my property to degrade and become a blight that drags down the appeal of the area as a whole...and therefore reduce potential buyers which in turn lowers property values....that is really over simplifying this but I think it's the basis of these Bylaws. I think with unlicensed cars, if you live in a residential area, and have a driveway full (and maybe one or two in your backyard) of unlicensed vehicles in a variety of states of repair, restoration, or "storage" the appearance of the property is not something everyone could appreciate...and therefore affects the way people feel about the neighbourhood. I don't like looking at yards full of Lawn ornaments, gnomes, suncatchers etc. and I can imagine people don't see the value in vintage tin.....but we all have to co-exist, and therefore Bylaws get passed (Let's petition to get a Lawn ornament ban in place LOL).

On face value it's BS, but I think a few have ruined things for the masses.

Out of site is out of mind. Keep them in a garage etc. then you don't have to worry. I live out on 10 acres in the country so I'm not affected as bad as in towns, we don't even have a noise time limit bylaw as this allows farmers to harvest late into the night. That's why I moved out here. I like to swing my arms and not hit my neighbour.

my front lawn with the dirt oval made by doing circles with the old S-10 so my son can run R-C truck races on the week ends. Thats the house behind the train tracks and the back acre is behind that. I bought this place at an automotive flea market. 

Here in Scugog Twp [north of Oshawa] vehicles must be lic, & if no progress is showing on vehicle "being worked on" your in "violation" Have a neighbour up the street, thats been charged 4 times & found guilty 3 times in court, place is a "mess" & drags down the value of neighbourhood. Twp. won't clean it up "as stated in by-law & charge it back to owner" as cost is around $40,000 Hasn't paid any of the fines & now Twp. tells us he's a "HOARDER" & it's a health issue now, since the Twp, finally got into the house, so now no clean up, Twp. involved & Durham Region for "Mental Illness" help & no action taken "as they don't want to UPSET him" Meanwhile we all have to look at this DUMP, & he's still bringing more stuff onto the property. 4 junk vehicles, a backyard full of "old" storm windows , portable garage in drive way full of CRAP & now he's starting to store it on the frt. lawn. Last time someone from the Twp. showed up they were chased from property with a base ball bat. May sound "hard" but I think this needs more than "un wanted" councilling, & after 6 yrs of this going on,somebody's got to "GROW a PAIR" & do something!!! Court system failed us & Twp. Fines were ignored & no penality, no follow up, now we still have this "BLIGHT" & they "don't want to UPSET HIM. What about the rest of us that have had there property DE-VALUED!!One neighbour has tried to sell her house 5 times with no offers, right next door to offender,jeez & wonder why no offers?? There Rant over!! Touchy subject here on our street.

Interesting responses guys,, not sure where this is being enforced , but i know of one Twp here that has put the bylaw in, but they have never enforced it,, so far.
I totally agree with properties being a hell of a mess, etc, that they should be cleaned up, but i'm wondering just how far this could be forced onto a landowner that wished to keep some parts cars, or just hang onto old cars/trucks/tractors.
I agree , they should be out of site etc, but the bylaw states "One unlicensed vehichle".

Probably never been challenged in court yet, but the "Your assets" thing comes into play here.

If you saw this place, in a well kept subdivision, Sanford & Son's [old TV show} junk yard was a far cry from this!!!! I can see some "compassion' on the Twp. side, but if they are refusing help for their "sickness" & the inside of house is as bad as the outside then they should "MOVE" on this quickly!!! One 1/2 ton P/up in D/way is crammed full of junk, has no engine in it, & is rusting away so fast you can watch the pcs. fall off, been there for 4 yrs. There has "never" been any garbage/recycle put out for pick up in the last 6 yrs. We are wondering if they bury it in the back yard behind the mountain of junk there???? Some neighbours have seen RATS in the backyard. This is not just a matter of a couple of cars that a car guy has parked.

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If you saw this place, in a well kept subdivision, Sanford & Son's [old TV show} junk yard was a far cry from this!!!! I can see some "compassion' on the Twp. side, but if they are refusing help for their "sickness" & the inside of house is as bad as the outside then they should "MOVE" on this quickly!!! One 1/2 ton P/up in D/way is crammed full of junk, has no engine in it, & is rusting away so fast you can watch the pcs. fall off, been there for 4 yrs. There has "never" been any garbage/recycle put out for pick up in the last 6 yrs. We are wondering if they bury it in the back yard behind the mountain of junk there???? Some neighbours have seen RATS in the backyard. This is not just a matter of a couple of cars that a car guy has parked.

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 Sounds like an episode of "Buried Alive" or "Hoarders", its an illness.

but where and who gets to draw that line? I do not believe all those in power always know the best. And those who live out side the perceived norm are all ways ill. They may be a hindrance or a nuance to the main stream but is not belonging or giving in to the main stream illegal or insane.

This guy is a "NUT BAR" chasing the By-Law officer with a bat. He has to get the police to "back him up" every time he goes there!!! Not a car guy, just a weirdo, that keeps loading up the property with JUNK. Propert values are being affected, & one home owner took a "bath" on their house when sold 2 doors away!!!! Maybe fine, if out in the counrty where no one can see it,but in a subdivision of nice homes "not the place for this, when I scrap out a car for parts here, it's gone within a week!!! Neighbours know it won't be there for yrs.

I live in Hamilton were by-law crazy they work 24-7 , unless someone rats you out your safe, they don't go looking for infractions, its always best to have licence plates on a stored vehicle on your property whether they are expired or not, there is even a by-law in Hamilton that states you are not allowed to work on a vehicle in your driveway, I'm not even allowed to park my RV in my driveway anytime........

when you get the chance get out of the city. I grew up in Scarborough and had at least 25 bicycles at one time. My DAD had a V.W. bus that died my older brother had a 1967 Cuda my brothers buddy who lived with us had a 1967 Beaumont rag top and at the same time and a Renault Dalphine and my dads new 69 Monaco. The good old days you could park your extra cars on the side lawn and of course we were the house all the neighbor kids hung around so the front lawn had at least 30 bicycles laying around at any time in the summer. Never mind the cars that started showing up as we got older. Never a complaint from any of the neighbors. Times have changed since the 70s less freedom less tolerance more taxes more rules.

Yeah I need to step back I have never had to deal with extremes. I just worry as politicians and enforcement people see alot of our stuff as eye sores.

It sounds like everone has a neighbor from Hell, mine just lost his house and gone to jail for awhile, almost back to normal on my street, the guy across the street is a scrap collecter, him and his wife in there 60s go out every night, what they can't scrap ends up on there lawn and property on display , i'll have to take some pictures and show you if you wanna laugh, but because they are good neighbors no one complains........

I have only one problem with this subject I could be classed as one of those guys.I have an appliance business in Beautiful Port Hope.I store a lot of stuff outside and I understand that some(probably most )would say it is a mess.I have been forced to clean up which cost me a lot of money in invintory foutunatly the powers that be in town are also customers and said as long as I was showing cooperation that would be good enough .I was not able to face my accuser because this is one area that you aren't allowed that right.They charge me a business tax a 2x the residenchil rate on I assume the entire lot that is zoned commercial and still won't allow me to use more than 2thirds of it.As for property values the only ones who care about that are people who plan to move cause if you like your house who cares what its worth.As long as my neighbour is not leaking toxic waist onto my property who cares what he has on his.The only value property has is the fact it is mine and It shouldn't be any one elses business what I or you do with it.Would you harass the guy who cuts all the trees down on that lot beside you and puts solar panels or a windmill on it . I guess you think the person down to road that likes a garden(carrots,beans and maybe gawd forbid corn)on her front lawn insted of grass is mental as well.well guys I don't know how to tell you this most people not into rods and dragracing think there is something wrong with us as well.All the noise ,smell,cost work(just go buy a new car),that is not normal must be something wrong with that guy.It is none of there business,evironment police leave us alone ,cops the same ,maybe that is how the old guy down the road feels, I know it is how I feel. Ed

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This wouldn't be on Donelda Crt. would it?

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 No that ones right behind me, I built a 6' fence so I don't have to look at that one,heard through the "grape vine" he's been charged a couple of time as well!!!Shame to see his GTO JUDGE sinking in the mud. Back yard is a storage area for a rusted out Toyota Four runner.  This ones on Sunrise Dr. right be hind the Anglican church. You must be close to know the area??Seems once, one starts to go to pot, others seem to follow, & it spreads though out the neighbour hood 

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 LOL I know the area VERY well. I drove through the neighbourhood down Sunrise today. I saw where you meant.

 

 

 

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I the same out look on property values I bought my place to live and die in higher property values just mean more taxes.

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 I would partly agree if the property taxes dropped with the property values...but this is never the case.

 

Anyway, I hope this thread doesn't upset anyone too much. I think the point is that no matter what we each do as individuals, we must remember the affect on our neighbours....that's what being a "community" is all about.

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 AMEN to that last statement Brother!!!  You can't just think of 'yourself"

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not here to upset any one just a good discussion every one is aloud a point of view some are black some are white but there's always the gray. And the tolerating the gray is where the discussion starts no anger may be passion please never mistake passion for anger.

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I am NOT going to let you hug me.

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 not that kind of passion   Some peoples children

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not here to upset any one just a good discussion every one is aloud a point of view some are black some are white but there's always the gray. And the tolerating the gray is where the discussion starts no anger may be passion please never mistake passion for anger.

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I am NOT going to let you hug me.

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  Just adding some levity....

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I know I get it .  NOW do i get the hug

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  no.

Well I`ve got the new guy next door that figures I should remove every car from my driveway and put it in my garage, Even before he built he called the bylaw on me more than twice. Wants my company work truck gone, no rule for that. Bylaw officer told me if car runs and moves on its own power no problem does not need plates. Had to remove my jet skis on trailer from driveway, no box trailer. Guy said all my trees are to big and old so they may fall on his new house you have to cut them down. Why do you have a stone driveway? why is it not paved? Your tv tower should be removed. To many cars in the driveway I`m not coming home at nite to look at a scrape yard( 95 Sonoma plated, 95 Road Master non plated rust free, 07 Dodge ram company truck, O8 GMC pick up 3,000km 08 HHR SS and plated box trailer. But its find for him to start his old stroker deisel ford at 630 am and let it rap in the driveway for 20 minutes. I have lived here for 35 years. Told him he should have never bought the lot if he didn`t like my trees, cars tower or stone driveway. Theres my rant

good luck hope thats the end of it. If not go get yourself a 90s Dodge Cummings diesel I have to shut mine off to go to Timmies drive through its so loud.

Agreed Flatblack, life is too short for this nonsense, changing times we are living in for sure.
At times i think some of these complainers get to be a bit envious, or have a mind set that they are just #1 no one else counts.
We all have different interests , hobbies, that sometimes others may not agree with or find offensive in some way, but as you state, you gotta "Live and let Live".

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good luck hope thats the end of it. If not go get yourself a 90s Dodge Cummings diesel I have to shut mine off to go to Timmies drive through its so loud.

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 Yea, I know he will be upset when summer comes and I fire up the Shelby in the garage. Shakes things off the shelfs in my house lol. i don`t care what others do on their own property, just leave me alone.

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 Well then Kev you sure as hell don't want to buy that farm down here. My property is adjacent to Heritage Village(to the North) and Cherry Hill Gardens(to the West), both Retirement developements.

Each time, and I mean EACH time I start my brush pile (from the apple orchard & grapes) the Fire Marshall shows up - he had a "complaint" Now I get a permit every year and abide by the rules and regs but it doesn't stop these *ssh*les with too much time and too much money and nothing positive to spend either on from calling and bitching.

Fire Marshall says as long as I'm doing everything right they can't do squat about it. I told the Property Manager at Cherry Hill if they kept it up I'd consider it malicious and take THEM to court for interfering in my rights. 

Unfortunately for them my barn door faces their developement. It's usually just before 11 when the headers fall off one of the cars.

I am a diehard hot rodder

Ok so I work for municipal govt. and know this stuff inside out

Yes they can pass a municipal bylaw regulating what you can or can not have in your own yards.

Enforcement - they take you to court if necessary, should you choose not to co-operate in cleaning up your yard should they decide it needs cleaned up.

What can you do about it - NOTHING

The courts tend not to understand the need to have old cars or projects or anythng else for that matter, in your yard.

Most Yard or Property Standards bylaws are universal, and read to the effect you may not have more than 4 or 5 "vehicles" in your yard(s). This is calculated as boats, trailers, quads snowmobiles cars, trucks or any combination thereof etc etc. Some allow only what will fit in your immediate driveway. Some only allow one vehicle in your driveway, with everything else required to be inside something

Best way to go under the radar is to have your cars/trucks each with a car cover or never in a state that would not allow it to be started in leass than 48 hours. Either that or have it indoors in a storage building.

Having said all of that - most BYlaw Enforcement is dont only on a complaint basis, except in larger cities. So get on very good terms with your neighbours, and keep it tidy .

No complaint no worries.