I don't have much experience with Fords to be honest, however I did find an exhaust leak in a neighbours 347. Seems there are "thermactor" ports at each end of each head on his engine (his is a factory roller engine from 85 up) and the rear ports were not plugged, causing the exhaust leak. I don't know if these ports were just for fuel injection engines or not. Really reaching here but is there any chance you could drill these "thermactor" holes in your heads? (assuming that your heads are also from 1980). As for mounting the EGR, I (in the case of my Chev) used a factory EGR manifold (and Q-jet) but I did see (when I bought my catalytic converters from Karblet Pickering) some kind of a plate that mounts between a carb and a manifold that allows the installation of an EGR valve. If I am correct, it was either a factory Ford piece or something that is similar to a factory Ford item. Might just be easiest to purchase an EGR accepting intake rather than bother with the carb/egr adapter and drilling holes. You can always offset the cost of the new manifold by selling the old one (again, assuming it isn't just a factory cast iron one ... no real resale value with one of those).
My car does not require a "smog pump" but I would be interested in seeing pics of your electric one.
I just read seekers post, sounds like welding a "bung" into your headers would be a better choice than drilling a hole in your head (if your heads don't have the ports).
Just my opinion but ... good move adding the emissions stuff. I figure it's better to avoid the fine and become compliant rather than face some fines and still need to be compliant. It could be years before anything changes regarding the emission requirement laws IF anything changes ... kinda makes sense to conform now if driving your vehicle is on your list of things to do :) -- Edited by Rusty Nuts on Friday 10th of August 2012 04:57:30 PM
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One of the previous owners installed an aftermaket intake on my 30 Ford, 1980 302, but it doesnt have provisions for the exhaust crossover passage for the EGR valve to function, so am wondering what options do I have other than buying another intake, EGR spacer, possibly new carb to support the EGR? What about an electric or an external? I have an electric smog pump setup going to the exhaust in front of the cats, so was wondering if could tie into that somehow. Any ideas are welcomed.
just about any ford egr can be remote mounted. Use a tube from the header or manifold, and a tube from the egr to the intake - somewhere in between make a mounting plate for your egr of choice. The early to mid seventies work best as it is a simple flange, and a vacumm line which can be plugged internally to appear to be working
the manifold or header is a simple welded in fitting the intake is also a fitting into the plenum
not hard to plum, or hide behind something.
If you wish to see how easy it is to fab and mount - open the hood of any 1998 or newer GM or Chevy pickup as thiers is remote mounted, but uses electrics to operate
Sorry, didn't realize your engine was installed that early. As far as I understand it, you don't need anything because of the install date. Nothing. However, you could be required to take a sniff test IF they feel the need to send you (or a roadside test in the future I guess). If I were running your car (truck) I wouldn't run anything more than some cats and a PCV. If I am understanding the laws (as written today) you do not need an EGR (because of the install date). You also don't need to run the cats or the pcv either actually, just would be a good thing to have IF you get sent for a sniff.
In my case, my car got a 1985 305 installed a couple years ago, therefore I am required to have everything emission related that came on the engine new, installed on my car.
Honestly, I wouldn't bother with an EGR valve at all due to your install date, just drive and enjoy.
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ok thanks guys for the replies. some pics below of the intake and smog pump.
seeker1056 - that seems to make sense, but for peace of mind, I would rather have it working if I am going to that effort, and you never know which MOE guy you get taking a look at it. I think on my Edlebrock #1405 carb there are no more vacuum lines left. I do have the brake booster unused, or do I tee into an existing line? I just didnt see any port or anything in and around the plenum, it has to be drilled?
rusty nuts - the intake is aluminum, but no markings as to who the maker is. It think what you were talking about at Karbelt was an EGR spacer, I did look into that from them, but spent alot on the smog pump setup, cats, charcoal cannister and a few other emission things, that I eventually ran out of my yearly spending limit on this truck. I was hoping to avoid going the replacing intake route, thinking there might be a simplier solution. By 01/2013 we would fall into the 2 speed idle test if forced to, so was thinking what role would an EGR play into those tests anyways, as if memory serves me right, EGR is not functional during idle or full throttle, only during part throttle, and if I have my smog pump turned on which is functional, wouldn't that aid in passing their tests?
fatstax - I will look into that valve, even though my wedged engine bay is small, there are lots of little spaces I think I can mount it.
As I understand it, just passing a sniffer test is not enough. The MOE street dudes don't care whether or not your vehicle is capable of passing a sniff test, their job is to verify that all of the required equipment is present and functioning. That may change once they are capable of doing a roadside sniff test but I doubt it ... too much revenue available to them nailing the people who aren't complying equipment wise.
From the way I read it, I'm a 1930, with a 1980 transplanted engine, and I have an invoice of engine install from 1991, so my guidelines are, must pass a visible emission test, with my glasses on I dont see anything, then it says dont need any emission equipment, then it says if they still don't like me then I need to go to a drive clean site and pass their test, so it is wise to have emission equipment. If this occurs in 1/2013 onward, then I need to pass a 2 speed idle, and thats it, I dont see where I need the equipment, as long as I pass. Where did you see this stating otherwise?
I was thinking about the EGR setup, what if I weld a tube from the header and go right to the plenum, then have a tee into this tube with a switch/sensor of some sort and have a toggle switch on my dash, and then I can turn it on when I want to? I mean an EGR is only recirculating the exhaust gases at part throttle, so this seems a simple approach, but I am far any expert on this stuff, just wondering.
I should have mentioned my scenario regarding all the MOE rules at the beginning. What I am trying to achieve is peace of mind, I don't want or can afford to give more money to our gov't. So from now till the end of the year, if I get sent to the drive clean, I think I need to pass an OBD test, not sure what all that entails, but would an EGR be needed to pass their readings? Then in 1/2013 onward it drops to a 2 speed idle, so is an EGR needed to pass that test? I just dont know how important an EGR is to these tests.
I do not know how important an EGR valve is. I have also not heard anything regarding any vintage vehicles being sent in for an actual tailpipe sniff. My personal feeling is the MOE is more interested in quick and easy fines during their roadside inspections. If your vehicle isn't emitting any noticable smoke from the tailpipe I wouldn't worry about it at all. Based on my how I see the MOE situation, here is how I would handle your situation ... My understanding is that you don't need ANY emission controls on your vehicle due to the date when the engine install was done. With that in mind, I would carry a photocopy of the proof of date when the engine install was done. If you are pulled over by the MOE, I would produce this proof then show them that you ARE concerned with the environment regardless of the laws and have chosen to install the PCV, cats and smog pump even though you aren't required to. My guess is that would be enough to send them off looking for easier prey.
Again, if your vehicle isn't puffing smoke, relax and enjoy the ride. As I've stated before, I live in the purported "hot zone" and drive my car daily (mid thirties coupe) and even though I was paranoid and did equip my car, I have yet to be stopped by the MOE. Based on your install date, you've got it made ...
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I should have mentioned my scenario regarding all the MOE rules at the beginning. What I am trying to achieve is peace of mind, I don't want or can afford to give more money to our gov't. So from now till the end of the year, if I get sent to the drive clean, I think I need to pass an OBD test, not sure what all that entails, but would an EGR be needed to pass their readings? Then in 1/2013 onward it drops to a 2 speed idle, so is an EGR needed to pass that test? I just dont know how important an EGR is to these tests.
My 79 Chevy 350 CI passed emissions "with flying colours" according to the guy that did the test.
