friend of mine [yes i do have 1 or 2] was speaking with a MTO officer past wknd. & of course the topic got on the enforcement & hassles we are getting from MOE & MOT etc. Anyway, he said get prepared for more "SH#T" coming down the pipe!! Mc Goofy's gang is setting up, Min Roof height, min clearance to road from lowest part of vehicle,visability effects from chopped roof & possibly anything sticking out of hood, [that sounds like they are copying out west legislation] mandatory fenders on all vehicles [wether raining or not] & a bunch of other stuff that is mainly directed at getting the RAT RODS off the road!!!  Changes coming in the HTA [Hwy traffic Act] early this spring & will be retro active [ no pass for vehicles already on road] Now we will have to wait & see if this is true!!!!! Somebody there has got a " thorn up their A$$" for the old car group????

There has to be more important things the MTO needs to worry about...maybe they should all climb into a van and go for a ride on the 401, and have one of those garbage haulers ride right up their ass......man, whats it coming to..

LOL.never heard that term used for him"Teflon Don", I saved your avitar.Man , I laughed my a$$ off when I saw thatIt's time for change. The disparity(hope thats the right word) between the have's and have NOT's has to change to like it was in the 40's 50's 60's. Saw an interesting tv show about this,told by Intelligent people who all said the same--CHANGE  and the people with all the $$$$$$ don't know what to do with it.

Back a couple of years ago as i was leaving the barrie speedway , i met a guy who was also sitting in the lineup to get out, and he was driving a 35 ford coach rod he was building, good looking car,, anyway, he had driven there in the rod with absolutely NO glass, at all!
He said he come about 20 miles ?, and at that time of night it was damp and chilly being late in the season,, man, he must of had a chilly ride home!!
He was bundled up in a big winter coat though!! Lol

NOVACLONE wrote:

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 Not good to hear dualquadpete.Wonder who dream's up this crap? Seems like Mc GOOFY doesn't want to start at the top and "TRIM THE FAT",he wants to start with car people .We need a provincial election.

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 LIBERALS=MORE TAXES, MORE LAWS

You folks are missing the point.

Dalton and his group of Green Meanies are out to protect you from yourselves. You are intent on hurting yourself and Dalton and his boys are going to protect you from that and save $1000's from the OHIP budget. Everyone should be driving a good clean economically sound electric car, one that doesn't rely on Hydro One for power (expensive electricity like Solar and Wind).

If it is not environmentally neutral then it should not be on the road. If it is so fast that the OPP on his bicycle can't catch you then it should not be on the road. If it consumes precious natural resources it should not be on the road. If it does not put money into the Ontario Government coffers it should not be on the road. If it requires infrastructure monies to be usable it should not be on the road. If it makes noise, looks good, or draws attention in a crowd it should not be on the road.

You are CANADIAN and unlike the states it means that we legislate what you CAN do which means that you can do NOTHING unless the Green Meanies, via Dalton and Stephen, legislate it to be done. Americans on the other hand can do what ever they want unless legislation is passed banning it. So watch what you do you are being monitored and if there is no law allowing you to do what ever your doing then you can either be taxed (fined) for doing it or you can go to jail for doing it. Why do you think the population of Canada is shrinking?

The biggest problem in Ontario is not Dalton, he would be gone if there was a viable alternative. Do you want a socialist government we can't afford? Do you want a conservative government who can't make a decision? What we need is someone with big brass b***s who does not care about being re-elected but cares about cleaning up the mess, balancing the budget, and getting out of the lives of the electorate. One term with a majority and the mess could be cleaned up and Ontario could be "have" province AGAIN.

Off with "McGoofy's " head too!!!! HTA [I believe] still states that "vehicle must have fenders to stop "splash" from roadway" & thats was the "OUT" yrs. ago when i got stopped with T/Bucket & no fenders, went to court every time I was charged & beat it[ everytime] when judged asked if it was raining or roadway wet???? I assume they are going to change that to eliminate the "stop splash from roadway" Yes we need the "BRASS BALLS Gov. & right now I'm Po'd with Hudak for joining up with "Jack A$$" & passing the vote on teachers [I have nothing to do with them or unions] but think he has just put the Pc's "under the bus"in the next election unless the 'dummies" here do it again & elect the "PRICK" again!!! Just remembered I always was charged with brake infraction too!! No frt brakes on motor cycle wheels. Beat that too as HTA said must have 2 braking systems to at least 2 wheels. Took T bucket to police station & showed them foot brake & hand brake to rear wheels Sgt. just shook his head & said "your right" & cancelled that ticket

jeeps with fold down windshields are legit, i think if you wear a bike helmet with a face shield you could get away with no glass

Scruff wrote:

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Hey Seeker 1056, almost sounds like you might have a slight issue with rat rods. I to have been to countless shows this summer and have seen many rat rods that will pass a legit safety. Have also seen some scetchy ones, that being said when was the last time you saw a 29 ford sedan with belts, a plate light,washers etc,etc,etc. I happen to be part of the RAT fraternity! My rat will pass anywhere, anytime!

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 Safeties are easy to get around. They have to pass on the day of inspection. I have seen lots of "hot rods ( rats included)" that won't pass a safety today too. Just because it passed a safty once doesn't mean that it good forever. We all know the MTO does safeties blitzes every year and yanks plate all the time during inspectipons.

Scruff if you are driving your truck the way it is in the picture it won't pass without a hood and front bumper.

 As Jeff Norwell said in another forum the problem is we don't have a large organized body to represent us so we are easy pickings.

If some of the people spend as much time writing letters to thier member of parlament as they did  writing on this forum we might be farther a head.

 

 

Easy fix on the rat Lightspeed, and your 100% right, get on our member of parliments butts and become a pain! I'm ''doin' it!

< ---------------------FOR SALE CHEEP!

Not likely......but I did get busted on the weekend (DOWN TOWN tORONTO - YONGE AND DUNDAS) for "No front Plate" must have fallen off....$110

Not...no bumper...too low....too loud....bad welds......MOE......blah, blah,blah.......just, no front plate.

Thank Gawd they caught me for the lawlessness and danger I created driving without a front plate....That fell off ;)

If they change the laws....I'll change the car.....simple.

-- Edited by Grumpsbodyworks on Wednesday 12th of September 2012 03:22:35 PM

Seeker1056 wrote:

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actually I love rat rods and any other kind of custom built motorized vehicle. Especially original thinking types of which we have a couple in my area.

My comments are directed soley at the NONSENSE that any of this "enforcement" is new or proposed. it already exists, and just isnt normally enforced - precisely because for the most part there has been no issue with our cars/trucks.

BUT - as I said - I attended a lot of shows this year - and the calibre and quality of a good number of cars was sooooo bad as to be scary. Bad welds, cobbled this and that, the lack of glass, undersized cooling, bad tires, no exhausts, floorboard holes.....etc etc etc and from a mile away one can see the issues - and so can enforcement officials

It is no different than any other issue out there - a couple bad examples tars and feathers the rest of us, and we get what we get

Instead of picking on the people who have to enforce the rules - why dont the complainers about enforcement start picking on the idiots who are the route cause of this alleged stepped up enforcement - the cobblers, the wanna be Fooses, and the "Nobody is gonna tell me what I can build or drive - I'll drive whatever I want to's" as they are the PROBLEM not the enforcers

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 You make very valid points. Being a licenced mechanic myself, I'll been pressured to 'look the other way" and let some obvious faults go out the door. Sorry, not going to happen, that's my licence. Of course I was instant *******, the biggest prick that ever walked, and told how it's all bull****. Not a problem, the people that feel that way need to get the required licence and endorsements and pass what ever they like. And then man up and take the responsibility and consequences for such stupidity. What I can see coming, will be more follow up and checks on mechanics that let this stuff happen. Yes...I'm very much aware that the safety, (although good for 36 days) is seen as no longer valid after the transfer is made, or after one day, don't believe that for a second. An obvious fault is on the mechanics shoulders. The exhaust didn't rust out and leak over night. Same with worn out parts, it took lots of time to get that way...not the next day. And as for parts and pieces that are supposed to be there and aren't, that can be construed as out and out negligence. (Lawyers just love these ones, especially when there has been an accident and injury.) The neglect will be equally held on the vehicle owner and mechanic/shop that holds the licence. And after the accident your not going to hear...Ok officer, I take full responsibility, it's all my fault, just charge me and I'll pay the fine. Now that's REAL bull****. What you will hear is... Well, he safetied it!! We're not a large segment with this hobby of old cars, but we have caused a ripple that is being felt. We have also become more visible to the everyday person and law enforcement. Somebody doesn't  like what they see. This, and most governments, really like to drop the hammer on the 'enablers' of any problems like this that come their way, so mechanics are going feel a bit of heat shortly. But we keep doing 'it' to ourselves. Look at mopeds, didn't need helmets, licence, insurance, shoot nothing. Enough people screwed it up that it's all regulated now. Same with ultralights, people just got stupid and pushed the boundaries beyond common sense and it's now all regulated. Same thing is happening again, but this time, the regs are already there. They're going to enforce them and squash the movement. Right , wrong or indifferent, it's coming. A new breed of hot rod is going to happen on the scene, greener and fendered. Not what I really wanted, but looks like I'm going to get carried along with the flow whether I like it or not. 

I just saw this on another forum,I can't believe,,well I can but really,,heating your leaf springs/coils to lower car...there are slack jawed inbred hillbillies cringing at the thought of someone doing something so stupid..there's reason enough for mto to want to closer inspect "altered" vehicles


Set some jack stands or something that will stop the truck at the ride height you want and then heat them till you get there.The truck will probably ride like a log wagon so be prepared.I have had better luck cutting the springs on the front.
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You can hate me if you want for saying this but it's about time. I have seen way too many questionable vehicles ever since i got into this hobby 25 years ago. These inspections are nothing new, they have always been around, just like the MOE issue. These vehicles are on public display all the time somewhere and the enforcement people go to these shows too and they see whats going on in the hobby. It was only a matter of time before they took notice and acted on it. Far too many people have pushed the envelope and now we have to be put back in our proper places by big brother. Who the hell would ever do a safety on a vehicle with expanded metal flooring anyways???

On another note, a friend of mine informed me that the MTO is on the hunt for pickup trucks (mostly) that have frame mounted hitches on them that have a draw bar in them, apparently thats illegal too and alot of people around the Port Perry area this past weekend found out the hard way supposedly. $175 fine.

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 I just heard the same thing a couple of days ago.

 I keep mine in there to protect my bumper from the a$$hole crappy drivers in parking lots. I would rather have them punch a hole in their rad than damaging my bumper.

The law is there like all the other insane laws to keep money in the pockets in this God damned greedy Government.

I believe they are getting fined based on "Obstructing Plate" see below section 13. (2)

Highway Traffic Act, R.S.O. 1990, c. H. 8

13. (1) No number other than that upon the number plate furnished by the Ministry shall be exposed on any part of a motor vehicle or trailer in such a position or manner as to confuse the identity of the number plate. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 13 (1).

(2) Every number plate shall be kept free from dirt and obstruction and shall be affixed so that the entire number plate, including the numbers, is plainly visible at all times, and the view of the number plate shall not be obscured or obstructed by spare tires, bumper bars, any part of the vehicle, any attachments to the vehicle or the load carried. 1994, c. 27, s. 138 (7).

(3) The number plates shall not be obstructed by any device that prevents the entire number plates including the numbers from being accurately photographed using a photo-radar system. 1993, c. 31, s. 2 (5).

(3.0.1) The number plates shall not be obstructed by any device that prevents the entire number plates including the numbers from being accurately photographed using a red light camera system. 1998, c. 38, s. 2 (1).

(3.1) The number plates shall not be obstructed by any device or material that prevents the entire number plates including the numbers from being identified by an electronic toll system. 1996, c. 1, Sched. E, s. 2 (1).

(4) Every person who contravenes subsection (2), (3), (3.0.1) or (3.1) is guilty of an offence. 1993, c. 31, s. 2 (5); 1996, c. 1, Sched. E, s. 2 (2); 1998, c. 38, s. 2 (2).


Just sayin.....

-- Edited by Grumpsbodyworks on Thursday 13th of September 2012 02:18:09 PM

-- Edited by Grumpsbodyworks on Thursday 13th of September 2012 02:23:38 PM

I have to agree with you 24Pete. A guys licence is his ability to feed his family, why would anyone screw with that to jepardize another's safety because they can't see it for themselves? Never mind an innocent person caught up in an accident due to unsafe vehicles/conditions. I've had a mechanic tell me he wouldn't issue a safety on a vehicle due to an issue when I thought it perfectly safe - but he's licenced, I'm not. I took it home and fixed it, no harm, no foul.
I realize some feel the MTO is targeting us, I agree, but on the otherhand they pulled me over in my 04 Ram 4X4 for no apparent reason & found out my parking brake wouldn't hold. She gave me 15 days to fix it so I didi. End of story.

I've got a 'sneaking suspicion" that you don't use the parking brake ?? Right!!! Seized up from non use?? I'm trying to take lessons from my wife, she always puts the "hand brake" on, so I don't have to worry about her car [2012 Focus automatic] I'm getting a little better at putting it on in the Suburban but then I forget & drive a couple of blocks with the light on & "bonging" sound & say 'what the hell;s that?? Oh ya, the brakes on!!! DOAH!!!!!!

Hey Mike Are You Talking Front And Rear Bumpers???
Didn't Hear About Hoods(What About T/Buckets???

I also wonder IF it has something to do with an object sticking "Out" beyond the body of the vehichle?

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Special interest group must be lobbying for change.. and they got Dalton in their hip pocket,, Same as doing away with the spring bear hunt up here..it will come back once a friend/relative or politician is mauled to death by a bear while on a tree huggin' expedition,,,then it will be open season...by the way,,ya know we can bow hunt deer in the city now...I am still pissed that 'bout 15 years ago the gov't started setting a fee on our license plates,,what a rippoff,,$33 a year now

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           Plate fees are going up down here.   Our Deer season is too short as well.

dualquadpete wrote:

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friend of mine [yes i do have 1 or 2] was speaking with a MTO officer past wknd. & of course the topic got on the enforcement & hassles we are getting from MOE & MOT etc. Anyway, he said get prepared for more "SH#T" coming down the pipe!! Mc Goofy's gang is setting up, Min Roof height, min clearance to road from lowest part of vehicle,visability effects from chopped roof & possibly anything sticking out of hood, [that sounds like they are copying out west legislation] mandatory fenders on all vehicles [wether raining or not] & a bunch of other stuff that is mainly directed at getting the RAT RODS off the road!!!  Changes coming in the HTA [Hwy traffic Act] early this spring & will be retro active [ no pass for vehicles already on road] Now we will have to wait & see if this is true!!!!! Somebody there has got a " thorn up their A$$" for the old car group????

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 I really don't see this as being directed at rat rods specifically, build the vehicle right in the first place and you have nothing to worry about. If you build something that looks like a total pos that has a body full of holes and a pretty much non existant floor then imo your only cutting your own grass buddy. Deal with the consequences.

 I recall, likely close to 20 years ago now, a friend of mine built a t-bucket and when it came time to put it on the road he asked the Ministry about fenders and back then it was if the vehicle weighed under 1800lbs(i think it was) then it didn't need fenders UNLESS it is driven in the rain, then it does need fenders.

 

How does one run a suicide front end with a front bumper?

Jeep4752 wrote:

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You can hate me if you want for saying this but it's about time. I have seen way too many questionable vehicles ever since i got into this hobby 25 years ago. These inspections are nothing new, they have always been around, just like the MOE issue. These vehicles are on public display all the time somewhere and the enforcement people go to these shows too and they see whats going on in the hobby. It was only a matter of time before they took notice and acted on it. Far too many people have pushed the envelope and now we have to be put back in our proper places by big brother. Who the hell would ever do a safety on a vehicle with expanded metal flooring anyways???

On another note, a friend of mine informed me that the MTO is on the hunt for pickup trucks (mostly) that have frame mounted hitches on them that have a draw bar in them, apparently thats illegal too and alot of people around the Port Perry area this past weekend found out the hard way supposedly. $175 fine.

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 I totally agree with you that it is about time that they get tough on the pieces of crap or blatantly unsafe cars on the road. If you are driving a beater or rat, you are just asking for an MTO inspection IMO. Make your rides safe peeps so the heat is off of everyone else. 

 

As for the drawbar left in the hitch issue - I asked a cop about it and its perfectly legal. I leave mine in all the time. I cant see how it could be legal in my area, and not in Port Perry. I'm thinking your source may have led you wrong, or these folks had the drawbar impeding the view of their licence plate which is the only way they could get ticketed for it. 

 

-- Edited by Gearhead on Thursday 27th of September 2012 09:54:25 AM