I just read that thread but it still has me confused. Anyone have or can find MTO info. Alright I found info saying you can get it certified, but apparently theirs problems with the harness. So I guess I will have to keep my oem ones for the street
-- Edited by scott420p on Monday 10th of December 2012 05:21:11 PM
A friend has a 75 Jeep with a 450 horse small block. His insurance said no roll bar and they sent him to have the car inspected by one of there guys. They made him put in a roll bar in it. It only has a windshield no top at all so if anyone cares the 6 point roll bar is obvious for all to see.
-- Edited by workin class on Monday 10th of December 2012 06:58:08 PM
-- Edited by workin class on Monday 10th of December 2012 07:01:19 PM
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I have an s10 that I want to take to the strip but have been looking into the NHRA rules that must/all tracks follow. For 11.99 or faster a roll cage is required, but from my searching around the cage is not street legal. I want to race it but I'd still like to drive it around a little bit to shows and meets. I have seen some cars around on the road during the summer that have cages, are they just driving them anyway or is this just not enforced? Just checking it out before I dump a bunch of money into the motor. Scott
I have a 8 point rollbar welded in the wagon that makes the car legal until I hit 10seconds flat, then I would need a FULL cage. Driving a FULLY caged car on the street would be insane cause I hit and you're pretty much toast! If you hit you're head on one of those bars without a helmet
I drove all summer with all four windows down ( no air cond.) and MANY of Ontario's finest saw the cage in the car......Drive responsibly and they leave you alone! Maybe cause I'm old?
I went thru a ride check in July with my 7yr old daughter on the front passenger seat, a police officer approached BOTH sides of the car and checked us and the car out......Once they realized the was no booze in the car they sent us on our way, and wished us luck at the strip!!!!! My car has 6 point harnesses (for track use only) and has a fixed race seat for the driver. All the windows were down and they could cleary see the cage, not one word about it.....maybe I just got lucky?
It's not the MTO that will give you a hassle, it's your insurance company. Most insurance companies, will NOT insure a "pro-street" car, or one that has a roll bar regardless if it's a race car or not. This was told to me by my insurance agent.
thats why you have to be "honest" and tell your insurance company everything. If it was a classic of more value then I'd be more thorough with my appraisal for insurance
Ive heard to being illegal because of it being like hitting a brick wall if anyone ever decided to hit you. Just tell them you moving scaffolding for a friend
And Ive heard of the harness rule.. So stupid. its legal if you car didnt come with them to not have belts but heaven forbid if you wana add some saftey...
There are bolt-in rollbars for cars, ie, Mustang, Camaro, Vette that are good to 10.0, But the S-10 has a frame, so technically the roll bar has to be attached to the frame. I'd find out more about a bolt-in option.
Or just run 12.0
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There are bolt-in rollbars for cars, ie, Mustang, Camaro, Vette that are good to 10.0, But the S-10 has a frame, so technically the roll bar has to be attached to the frame. I'd find out more about a bolt-in option.
Here is a helpful link to what mods can and can't be made as posted by York Reg. Police. I have e-mailed them to see what they say about roll cages on the street and will post the reply. As for seatbelt harnesses they need to be DOT approved. Also I have had no issue with insuring my "pro street" vehicle (tubbed, no cage, big assed engine) using collector car insurance. They receive photos and detailed description of the vehicle with the required apraisal and know exactly what they are insuring.
http://www.yrp.ca/erase/side.htm
Possible DOT Approved multi point harness here: http://www.roadraceengineering.com/eclsafety.htm
thats hardley a jeep anymoe, judging by the chev frame thats under it. 450hp thats a wild ride indeed
workin class wrote:
A friend has a 75 Jeep with a 450 horse small block. His insurance said no roll bar and they sent him to have the car inspected by one of there guys. They made him put in a roll bar in it. It only has a windshield no top at all so if anyone cares the 6 point roll bar is obvious for all to see.
-- Edited by workin class on Monday 10th of December 2012 06:58:08 PM
-- Edited by workin class on Monday 10th of December 2012 07:01:19 PM
From what I was told at the track. You need a roll bar if you run 11.49 and faster if you are there on a test night they may look the other way, it depends on whether they are busy that night. My chevelle runs right around 11.52 with a few passes at the low .40's and they never said anything. Mind you I only go on test night or day and I do not go during a regular race day. You need a cage when you get to 9.99 and faster, not 100% sure on that one.
I don't know where the idea that a cage or roll bar is illegal came from, but MTO couldn't care less as long as it's not interfering with driver visibility or something like that, but the seat belts might be a problem on a safety if they don't meet the standards in the Regulation. That link to York Police doesn't really show what's required - is it supposed to be an active website where some text shows up when the cursor is placed on the dots? I think your insurance company might have the last say in all of this like so many have already said.
I do not presently have a street car with a cage in it but I used to drive one (tubbed car) and never had problems with anyone. My insurance never asked and I never offered that info (never had to put in a claim though). Interestingly, I was never even pulled over by the police in that car.
I have every intention of bending up a cage for another car I own (in preparation for some track days at Mosport) that will also be street driven.
If mounting the cage directly to your frame where the frame is separate from the body (like your truck) you should change out the rubber body mounts for some solid ones. This way you can weld the cage to the frame (after dropping it through a hole in the floor), then lower your 6"x6" plates (that you slid up the tube before installation) and weld the cage to the body as well.
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HEMI43, if any part of a roll cage could get in the way of your head in a collision it would be prudent – at least – to pad the daylights out of it. Might look a little goofy but at least it wouldn’t hurt so much. Of course, there’s always 6 point harnesses, window nets, HANS devices, arm restraints – just your average race car for the street! I doubt if any cop would complain but your insurance agent might raise an eyebrow or two.
-- Edited by TIME TRAVELLER on Saturday 15th of December 2012 03:33:39 PM
I don't know where the idea that a cage or roll bar is illegal came from, but MTO couldn't care less as long as it's not interfering with driver visibility or something like that, but the seat belts might be a problem on a safety if they don't meet the standards in the Regulation.
100% Traveller. There is nothing in the HTA to prevent installing a cage. This is considered a safety item and does make your car go faster or hamper it's drivability. The visibility issue is the major concern that would be questioned. The Insurance thing is very valid, as, they can make any rules they want. With Insurance, you are usually guilty until you prove yourself innocent. Regarding seat belts, they must be DOT approved. Racing harnesses, are required to be recertified for racing purposes, but, are not DOT approved. If you find a DOT approved harness, it may not pass SFI specs. Most Officers don't know or worry about this regulation, maybe because a harness looks impressive.
After thinking about this thread, I now realize that the last thing I want in a street driven car is a roll cage unless I plan to wear a helmet when driving it around. The last thing I want beside my head is a metal pipe when " Huan Lee Chow " decides to T-bone me !!
There is nothing in the HTA to prevent installing a cage. This is considered a safety item and does make your car go faster or hamper it's drivability. The visibility issue is the major concern that would be questioned. The Insurance thing is very valid, as, they can make any rules they want.
With Insurance, you are usually guilty until you prove yourself innocent. Regarding seat belts, they must be DOT approved. Racing harnesses, are required to be recertified for racing purposes, but, are not DOT approved. If you find a DOT approved harness, it may not pass SFI specs. Most Officers don't know or worry about this regulation, maybe because a harness looks impressive.