flatduck wrote:

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fake my ass .i love that reply ok first i still be more than happy if it s real that you get cause i don t have the money to buy ............but just for fun do you get the missing mouldings with it .........why if it is that low milles the engine is yellow instead of orange and the hemi fender badge is at the wrong spot .......and you can ignore this one post 2 lolllllllllll you guys have fun
i don t know much about cars but 17000 milles is not enough to need to pull and engine out just to paint yellow unless the original engine was blown

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 Flatduck are you serious?? Or are you very young and don't understand what you are looking at? You will find that this is a delte optioned car including radio, the missing mouldings etc, Tell me what the speedo  reads for mph. Only available in hemi cars. Yup I read that on the net myself. I am not familiar with these cars but I am getting schooled big time on here thanks to a couple of very educated and cool guys. And by the way the engine is not yellow it is hemi orange. The yellow you refer to is the primer under the patina paint. You see flatduck time and the enviorment do things over time. Are you as old as the car? I am in my early fifties Just asking because I think if you listen to theese guys you too will be schooled...lol Never to old to learn something new everyday!!!!!

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flatduck wrote:

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fake my ass .i love that reply ok first i still be more than happy if it s real that you get cause i don t have the money to buy ............but just for fun do you get the missing mouldings with it .........why if it is that low milles the engine is yellow instead of orange and the hemi fender badge is at the wrong spot .......and you can ignore this one post 2 lolllllllllll you guys have fun
i don t know much about cars but 17000 milles is not enough to need to pull and engine out just to paint yellow unless the original engine was blown

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 Flatduck are you serious?? Or are you very young and don't understand what you are looking at? You will find that this is a delte optioned car including radio, the missing mouldings etc, Tell me what the speedo  reads for mph. Only available in hemi cars. Yup I read that on the net myself. I am not familiar with these cars but I am getting schooled big time on here thanks to a couple of very educated and cool guys. And by the way the engine is not yellow it is hemi orange. The yellow you refer to is the primer under the patina paint. You see flatduck time and the enviorment do things over time. Are you as old as the car? I am in my early fifties Just asking because I think if you listen to theese guys you too will be schooled...lol Never to old to learn something new everyday!!!!!

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 I have to correct you Modfather !! The 150 mph speedo is because the car is a GTX. If this was a 440 car it would still have the 150mph speedo. A sure way to see quickly if the body was originally a hemi car is to look at the rear springs mounting pad. The front one is reinforced with a plate, and this was a Hemi only modification from the factory. I will try and find a picture. 

hemikev wrote:

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here here but to be fair , mopar , ford , chevy all ruled the streets at 1 time or another , i love bone stock restoration muscle cars , they were the days ,,, i was a little late 4 those days but luckily i was there when no 1 wanted them, yeah bb

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 There's just something cool about Mopars that Chev and Ford guys will never understand. Is it colours like Sublime, Panther Pink, Hemi Orange, Lemon twist?? Even the names of the colours are cool. What other car company would have the balls to actually manufacture a car with a 4ft high wing, or put cartoon characters on it? There's a lot more of us today than the 80's though. We were a small group of enthusiasts back then  among a sea of Camaro and Mustang owners, but now our cars are worth a fortune and everyone want one. I've always said, that "Inside every Chev or Ford owner, is a Mopar guy screaming to get out" !! LOL

OK, back to our regularely scheduled program.........

"Inside every Chev or Ford owner, is a Mopar guy screaming to get out" !!


And here I was thinking I just had a bad case of hemroids ....

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poncho62 wrote:

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If the car is a true survivor (unrestored), I would think it would be worth a good buck as is......A car is only original once

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 I think the car has been repainted, because the "Hemi" emblem is not in the proper location. It may be a bondo bucket for all we know, and the original holes for the emblem filled in 30 years ago. Hard to tell from a picture !! It's fun doing this investigating work though. It's been a long time since I've done this, and I've been looking into it all afternoon. I even called friends on it that I haven't spoken to in 15 years  !!

I checked the car out pretty good and looked for signs of re paint there is none just the old paint with the patina. We even checked out behind the inner fenders and the a pillars. there is not one spot of rust anywhere. as for the Hemi badge it looked pretty original to me but who knows. I had another very long conversation with owner again last evening. He is now thinking he should be asking north of 40K. Take that with another 15 to 20K to restore it I dont think I am in the ball park. But again who knows he also said if he was going to do anything with it he would have done it by now. I am going back next weekend to chat with him one more time.
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Thanks Pint !! I know there's a way to do it without saving the pic to my computer. Poncho did it further above with the pictures of the serial number locations. I will mess around today and try to figure it out.

Edit; Once I click on "insert/edit image", I don't even have a "browse" option !! I will do some tests out of General car talk.

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I have had the fender tag stolen off of a 68' Dart GTS Convertable of mine at a show before. That royally pissed me off and why I don't go to moparfest anymore.

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I had someone steal the ashtray out of my old '70 Nova at a show at the Markham Fairgrounds years ago ... I don't smoke so I wouldn't/didn't miss it but it still pisses me off. 

I think 1 thing to remember here is back in the muscle days ,be it hemis ,shelbys, Z ers  ,  is that they were never meant to be collectors items,  they were used and used hard , week end drag cars , friday - sat street racers ,  you could only take so much abuse ,,  they all blew engines, trannys ,  Then they sat  , waiting for the coin to fix ,  some got fixed , some got parted out,,others got scrapped ( remember they were just another car beck in the day ) .

So in the 80s ???  the cars still around have been sittin around, broken  , rusted out, parted out ,  some got saved  alot didnt , 

I was once in a heavy duty dicussion about how it might be easier to have a Hemi and 6 pack registry on cars that have been parted out and crushed , heavy accident victims ,  ( hell im 1 guy , i know of atleast 5-6 hemi cars that have met their maker ,no longer with us , as for 6 packs  you could double that )  

Finding a rustfree hemicar ( or even a true blue musclecar ) is very rare ,  how many times have you gone to look at a real musclecar and passed because it was way to rusted or missing to many parts,  I know have over the years way to many times then i care to remember .. Say those cars maybe 50-60 percent got bought  and the rest eventually got parted out ,   again that makes rustfree muscle that much rarer .   and $$$$$$$$$$$

Do the math people , how many cars have you parted ,

I think 1 could safely assume that of all the real muscle of the muscle era ,maybe 50-55 percent survived ,  just my opinion here ...now given there were only 1246 hemi cars built in 67 ( all models )  now makes you think dont it ,  hemis were beat on hard so of the survivers how many do you think have original drivetrains ,  numbers fall another 25 30 percent . 

This math goes for all muscle really,    makes you think tho dont it   ..    40 for this car   ,  not really the bad .... 

Heres an example ,,,  heres a boss 302 on ebay ,  ( i know , no 1 likes ebay , but this car speaks for itself ,, its rusted out missing almost everything )   you know what your buying here in this case ...  Current bid is 5600.00$ reserve not met .  

Now would you look at a boss with original running drivetrain needing a good repaint and detailing, for 25 000  ,  boss 302 s  are   55-60 grand cars right now and those are restored ..   I myself would look to try and make a deal for the running original ,

hemikev wrote:

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I think the fact that even a 3 rd of these cars are still around is trully amazing..


Beauty in in the eye of the beholder , 40 grand for a new challenger or 40 for an original restored 1970-71 challenger.

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I think a large part of the reason many muscle cars survived is that Detroit was not producing anything remotely close through the decades that followed. Anyone who liked getting into the loud pedal had no choices to replace the aging go-fast machines with new ones so they kept fixing them or putting them away for down the road.

As for 40K on new muscle vs old? Dollars and sense says to me to put my money where it will appreciate (hopfully), not depreciate for decades before the values spring back up. Of course, new technologies are safer and cheaper to operate (fuel/parts) and can be driven daily.