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NORTH BAY, ONT

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 Here is an engine in a crawler that is started with a "Shotgun" shell!! (Don't have a direct link, just google this:

 

"youtube shotgun field marshall fowler crawler"

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From Wikepedia....

The Coffman engine starter (also known as a "shotgun starter") was a starting system used on many piston engines in aircraft and armored vehicles of the 1930s and 1940s. The Coffman system was one of the most common brands; another was the Breeze cartridge system, which was produced under Coffman patents. Most American military aircraft and tanks which used radial engines were equipped with this system. Some versions of the Rolls-Royce Merlin engine used in the British Supermarine Spitfire used the Coffman system as a starter.[1] The Hawker Typhoon also used the Coffman system to start its Napier Sabre engine.

A derivation of the Coffman starter was used on a number of jet engines, including such engines as the Rolls-Royce Avon, which were used in the English Electric Canberra and Hawker Hunter.

The Coffman device used a large blank cartridge containing Cordite that, when fired, pushed a piston forward. A screw thread driven by the piston engaged with the engine, turning it over.[2] This was in contrast with other type of cartridge starter which acted directly to drive the engine piston down and so turn the rest of the engine over, such as those used on the Field-Marshall agricultural diesel tractor.

The other systems used during the period were electric motors (such as those used in automobiles today), inertia starters (cranked either by hand or an electric motor) and compressed-air starters, which operated much like Coffman starters but were powered by pressurized air tanks.

Shotgun starters are composed of a breech, into which the cartridge is inserted, which is connected to the motor by a short steel pipe, which acts like a gun barrel. The blank cartridge fits into the breech, and is triggered either electrically or mechanically. When the aircraft's ignition is turned on and the cartridge is fired, high-velocity, high-pressure gas (~1000 psi at ~600 ft/s) shoots down the pipe, forcing the motor to spin and engage the starter ring gear on the engine, which is attached to the crankshaft.

Shotgun starters had several advantages over other starting systems in use at the time. Electric starters required large, heavy, and often troublesome batteries to be carried on board, or external charging equipment had to be located at every place where the vehicle was anticipated to operate. Inertia starters used a heavy wheel, usually made of brass, which was spun by a hand crank or electric motor, causing the spinning wheel to engage the starter ring gear. The Coffman system was more lightweight and compact than inertial starters or internal batteries, and it did not require any special auxiliary equipment, an important feature when operating in remote areas.

The primary disadvantages of the shotgun starter are the need to keep a stock of cartridges, one of which is used for each attempt to start, and the short time that the motor is spun by each cartridge. Compressed-air starters, which use the same type of motor, are usually recharged by an engine-driven compressor, negating the need to carry cartridges, but adding requirements for the compressor and air tank. Hybrid systems can be made simply by adding a cartridge breech or an air tank to an existing system. Air tanks can also be recharged from an external source in an emergency, such as a hand pump or a portable air compressor.

The Coffman starter was the most common brand of cartridge starters during the mid-1930s, and the name was used as a generic description. Advances in electrical technology have made shotgun starters obsolete for most uses.

 

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-- Edited by Molten on Monday 11th of March 2013 05:38:24 AM

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I remember watching the original movie "Flight of the Phoenix", and that's how they started the the engine in that airplane. For years I thought that's the reason why all radial engines had an odd number of cylinders, but that's not the case (it's for harmonics). I'd still like to know how they fired up that plane with a shotgun shell !! The only thing I could think of is that the starter is some sort of pneumatic device using the gases of the shell to somehow spin the engine.

 



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Picture.jpgThis takes me 'way" back to the 80's when I drove foe Glengarry Transport & the Western Star tractor had a Air starter!!  You had 1 shot to get it going in the morning on a cold day & maybe 2 trys in the warm weather!!  A real "PITA" too say the least!!  Ch613 Mack was a CTL transp. & was taken at GM Osh. body in white dock.Area where truck sits is now been filled in & is part of plant

 



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i had a bit to do with the air starter in the same era. if you seen someone coming your way you waited till they were beside you to hit it. i've been cursed a couple of times. lol

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Thanks for the great video and engine info guys!!

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Interesting stuff !!

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if any of you have seen the movie the road warrior, watch the part where max and the gyro captain recover the mack truck to haul the tanker of gas, max starts it with air as well.



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shag766 wrote:

i had a bit to do with the air starter in the same era. if you seen someone coming your way you waited till they were beside you to hit it. i've been cursed a couple of times. lol


 Ya They were LOUD & would cause "underwear" change when you did that!!!!!



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My garage air compressor tank, is a starter air tank, off of a 35 ton Euclid.

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