Is this a result of being over 65? or because you are over 65 WITH a D licence??

what a drag it is getting old.  any way the mto can jam you they will

Ziggy wrote:

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Is this a result of being over 65? or because you are over 65 WITH a D licence??

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 I think it's over 65 with a 'D'. It says if I fail, opr don't show, my licence gets knocked down to a 'G'.

I dropped my A/Z to a D/z when I retired, then they wanted me to "re-do" the Z endorsement, so I dropped that too!! Last mth. I get notified they are "restricting me "AGAIN" & adding a "W" to my lic. that stops me from driving a commercial vehicle in the USA?? Ask me if give a "RATS A$$??? as I have no intention of doing that!!! It's possible that you may have "too many" points lost on lic. & that's why they want a re-test??Road test with class "D" vehicle?? Is your 3/4 ton not lic. enough to pull your skid steer, or they want re-test done with "proper" class D truck??? Never heard of this, being 65 & lose more than 2 points causing a "road test??? Pete

dualquadpete wrote:

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 It's possible that you may have "too many" points lost on lic. & that's why they want a re-test??Road test with class "D" vehicle?? Is your 3/4 ton not lic. enough to pull your skid steer, or they want re-test done with "proper" class D truck??? Never heard of this, being 65 & lose more than 2 points causing a "road test??? Pete

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 That is the first ticket I've gotten in over 5 years.

The first sentence says: Due to an accumulation of more than 2 demerit points on your driving record, you are required to pass a driver's examination consisting of:

Vision

Knowledge D

Road test in a class D vehicle

then it goes on to tell me that if I fail a test, or decide not to take test, my commercial driver's licence will be downgraded to a class 'G', or in my case a 'GM', cuz I have a motorcycle licence.

dualquadpete wrote:

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I dropped my A/Z to a D/z when I retired, then they wanted me to "re-do" the Z endorsement, so I dropped that too!! Last mth. I get notified they are "restricting me "AGAIN" & adding a "W" to my lic. that stops me from driving a commercial vehicle in the USA?? Ask me if give a "RATS A$$??? as I have no intention of doing that!!! It's possible that you may have "too many" points lost on lic. & that's why they want a re-test??Road test with class "D" vehicle?? Is your 3/4 ton not lic. enough to pull your skid steer, or they want re-test done with "proper" class D truck??? Never heard of this, being 65 & lose more than 2 points causing a "road test??? Pete

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     i had all this happen to me also but differently. i had a A/Z-M then i had a brain aneurysm about 3 yrs ago, age 60 and had just finished my mandatory re-writes. about 5-6 months after the operation i got a letter demoting me to, get this, G-Z-M and added the W. if i stayed seizure free for 2 years i am eligible to be re-instated back to a D-Z not A-Z. i started driving long haul before the A-Z and bikes M i was grandfathered into also. last time with the brain doc i asked him about the re-instatement and he asked if i really needed it due to all the re-testing and hoops to jump through. now i spend time looking for a part-time job that requires a G-Z.  LOL

  i just recently heard about keeping your D-Z after age 65 without complete testing and A-Z is coming also but there are some restrictions with it and pete found one of them. there is a huge shortage of truck drivers and they hope this takes some pressure off. get use to the turbans and beards delivering at your back door. it just happened to me at the warehouse and i made him stay outside without a beard net. jeez i have to wear one in my own place when i let it grow for awhile. its the meat business for crying out loud.

 i would fight it pete if you need the D. either in person with the crown or the x-copper thing. if it turned as you entered and the cop was over zealous you might have a crack at it. good luck bud.

 but if you have a need for a G-Z driver i'm the go to guy. oh yea, i have had to back a lot of trailers into my dock in the last few years. seems i need a much bigger wedge shaped dock plate.

-- Edited by shag766 on Sunday 21st of July 2013 05:22:22 AM

I had that same problem before I got my A. I had a duelly with a 5th float carrying a bobcat and a sod roller. I was 800 lbs over and had to unload the bobcat and come back for it later. I was ticketed. They really pick on the dullies.

 

That's one heavy camper you have. I think you should double check on what you are thinking there because I think you would need an A. Not sure what the R is. Is that a restriction?

RV trailers are 'exempt' from needing a "A" lic. but as soon as you switch to float & 10,000 lb. you need the "A" Go Figure!!!!!

Beachcat wrote:

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So after only 2 weeks, you've been convicted of running a red light??? Did you get a court date or just pay the ticket?

 

Always get a court date even if you are guilty. There's always a chance it will get lost in the shuffle or the cop might not show up or whatever. At the very least, it will extend your conviction time to down the road about a year. For something like that, I would have sent it directly to xcopper once I get a court date in the mail. They work wonders those guys.

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 No, I just paid the man. I figure that he had me dead to right. Have gotten away with a lot of stuff that I should have been wrote up for, so I figure, that this is still cheap. I am going to go for the required stuff, cuz I still need my 'D' as we have a dump truck - 33000# gross

henrys57wagon wrote:

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On the topic of license requirement my friends in Alberta need an air brake certificate to drive there class A motor home. Is this the case in ON? I have a DM having dropped my BM years ago, not going to drive a school bus so not bothered to take the tests anymore. I tow the 8,000# 5th wheel with a 2500HD which is licensed at just under the weight for yearly inspections, but the license fee is about 110$ a year.

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 Yes you need the air brake endorsement.

You all realize that the 'Z' endorsment is a joke. If you have juice brakes (hydraulic), and your brakes give out, you're goin for a ride. With air brakes, if something lets go, you lose air pressure, and the brakes come on. What a farse. You need to know the different types of air brakes, how they work, how to adjust them etc., but you can't touch them. Give me a break already.

-- Edited by parklane on Tuesday 23rd of July 2013 08:49:41 PM

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You all realize that the 'Z' endorsment is a joke.

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 Not a joke at all!

Air brake users need to know how to hook-up, inspect, maintain and troubleshoot the system. If we put drivers in airbrake vehicles without knowlege of the system, there death mayhem out there. You don't need to be able to adjust them. If they are out of adjustment, you need to know that the vehicle is not going on the road. You need to know how to hook up the lines, how to test if the compressor is working properly, how to test if the tractor protection valve is working, how to keep moisture out of the system and a lot more.

 

Thank God for Z endorsements and re-tests.

Good thing I didn't throw out that popcorn I made last night !!

 

-- Edited by hemi43 on Tuesday 30th of July 2013 02:13:42 PM

-- Edited by hemi43 on Tuesday 30th of July 2013 04:08:49 PM

Wow. You are an angry old man

No facts to back up your vial drivel

Just name calling an insults. No facts

You babble about racial overtones. Really?

Not once did i say " even a mail-order bride could get a Z endorsement"

You look for problems

Again sit down before you hurt yourself

I appologize to all reading this thread. This will be my last post here

Kittycat. You are not worth my time

Put you big boy pants on and grow up. If your wife will let you

-- Edited by Grumpsbodyworks on Tuesday 30th of July 2013 04:46:40 PM

-- Edited by Grumpsbodyworks on Tuesday 30th of July 2013 04:51:27 PM

My question was not the license to drive the motorhome but the fact that their class A had air brakes, which I neglected to state in my original post.

Really? Kittycat?

This is why people jump on your posts......you spout off....HALF ****ED!.....without knowledge.

Yes...I have a current ABMZ.....Do you know what that means?

I started with a chauffers license and grandfathered when the change came in the 80's

In 1984 took the Commercial Driver Trainer program from the OSL (4 week course) which allowed me to upgrade drivers license from G to D or A

In 1992 I upgraded to Air Brake Trainer and was one of the first in Canada to have a mobile training board with a complete Air Brake system.

In 1993 I went to Michigan for skid school training for commecial trucks. Also in 93 I took a course for accident investigation and reconstruction

for commercial vehicals that is recognised by the Court system of Ontario and Insurance companies

By 1994 I have a video training library of over 500 training tapes of every commercial vehical available

By 1998 I had over 500 AZ -DZ drivers working for me in North America I was one of the largest suppliers of commercial Drivers,

supplying some of the top fleets in Canada.

In 2000 I conducted the largest single hiring of AZ divers in Canada 107 drivers in one month fo a private fleet....I interviewed, screened and road

tested every one......196 failed....1 in 3 passed my screening

I have several different MTO AZ driver tests from the 90's and a few from 2009......guess what....80% of the test from the 90's is the same as

today.

I think I have a little knowledge.....

What I see driving on the road today scares the crap out of me......Seniors that can barely drive a car can jump in a 45 ft motorhome and careen

down to Florida......people that can't speak a lick of english are driving 75ft trucks down the road....clueless....trained like monkeys just enough to

pass a drivers test....... 140,000 lbs trucks that havent been circle checked or have had recent mechanical brake checks......drivers driving sleep

deprived wandering down the road......loads improperly straped or chained.....Drivers that can't back up.....

I see drivers come in to apply for jobs that have a CVOR's that are 4-5-6 pages long with infractions.....regular abstracts that have 8 - 9 - 10 points

bad attitudes.....poor health....I have seen it all

And you are concerned about air brakes?......You.....kittycat....have NO KNOWLEDGE!

There is a lot more to be concerned about than a system that has redundant backups and if they fail....they still work (unless they are out of

adjustment) 90% of the drivers could not tell you HOW to adjust the brakes or to what standard or with what wrench.

Anyone could pick up an MTO air brake manual and with15-20 minutes of reading could pass the test.....but still not know crap about airbrakes

Just sayin......

Hey know-it-all. This is why people laugh at this post. Do you advocate doing away with the Z endorsement if according to you it's worthless?

 

Like I said, anyone wanting accurate info, talk to a current AZ driver. Not some grumpy know-it-all.

Hey know-it-all. This is why people laugh at this post. Do you advocate doing away with the Z endorsement if according to you it's worthless?


Well...kittycat....you must have dyslexia.....bad eyesite.... oldtimers....or just cant read. At no time did I say the Z was worthless or to do away with it. What I said was...They train new drivers like monkey's....exactly whats on the test and nothing more. Period. If you take someone from a school and ask them practical information outside of the test...they would be lost



Like I said, anyone wanting accurate info, talk to a current AZ driver. Not some grumpy know-it-all.

Would you be refering to yourself?....just askin

Hey fatmouth, you and mister gods gift to the MTO ,,, bite me.

Bite me.....really....thats the best you can do?

At no time did I say I was Gods gift to MTO or that I know it all....What I said was.....I have a little knowledge..........(maybe a little more than a current driver)

 

Sit down before you hurt yourself

apart from your half page listing of boasting points, your profound revelation that anyone can get a Z endorsement and your accusation that I kow F-all,,,, no you're not claiming to be a know-it-all.

You're full of your so called knowledge. I'm schooled in AZ driving and I came out of there with a wealth of knowledge. I currently drive a six axle walking floor rig and you claim I know f@ck -all? Who the hell do you think you are. What do you drive? A pick-up with juice brakes.  I think your ego is about as big as your lifetime list of accomplishments. I don't need you insulting me. Buy the way, you left out your birth weight on your gloat sheet.

 

 

 

Apparently any monkey can get Z endorsements. But I guess they all have licenses. Mr. know-it-not check your own mouth spittings.

 

I think every one of your posts on this thread have had racial overtones. What else can we add to your list of credentials?

 

Regarding the weight, have you backed up to a mirror lately? And I haven't been able to eat pizza since I met you. I keep seeing your face.

 

Take your Dad's advice. He was trying to save you from a life of embarrassment.

does any one else notice when your reading posts in an internet battle that you feel like your reading faster then usual ???..77.

flatblack55delivery wrote:

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First we had the Fatstax and Hemi debates.Then the Grumps vs the Kat rodders rumble.What could be next ,stay tuned to the Ontario Rodders channel and find out. Ed

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 I don't recall any debates between Fatstax and I . I don't have any issues with him other than he takes me way too seriously. It's just a friggin' chat room for crap sakes. Maybe you Cobourg Boys should come over next time I have a wing night, and you'll realize that I don't bite.

Holy $hit, all this started with a letter from the MTO.