Picture evidence for- Oldguy,69SS454, and Grumpsbodyworks

JPB · AYLMER, ONT

RE: Picture evidence for- Oldguy,69SS454, and Grumpsbodyworks

slab · BRANT COUNTY, ONT

JPB wrote:
Church Boy'S or CPP lower arm kit Rich? Either way,big improvement!

Great idea but every piece on that front end is new and I got to get some driving in on it before I change the plan. Plus....I gots no money to throw at this for extra stuff just what I need to get it done. biggrin

slab · BRANT COUNTY, ONT

Back at the wagon project again. Had a great summer off cruising with Ben in the Camaro. Starting off slow as I finish up summer projects around the house but I did manage some parts sandblasting tonight. The wagon has so many interior parts compared to a sedan or hardtop. Just trying to get a bit done each week. B en's helping out and we will tag team this thing until it is done. I get the pictures going again soon.

69SS454 · MILTON, ONT

"Starting off Slow" is the understatement of the decade...lol. Just kidding Rich. Was great to see you guys at Rockton and look forward to some progress pics when you have time. Cheers

slab · BRANT COUNTY, ONT

Can't argue with that statement ^^^^ It's been very slow. LOL Great seeing you as well at Rockton. Ben and I want to get going on another Father Son project so the wagon needs to be done first and out of the way.

JPB · AYLMER, ONT

slab wrote:
Can't argue with that statement ^^^^ It's been very slow. LOL Great seeing you as well at Rockton. Ben and I want to get going on another Father Son project so the wagon needs to be done first and out of the way.

Lets see,,,,, Wagon,sedan, got it- you need a 2dr hard top '67 Nova. smile

slab · BRANT COUNTY, ONT

Yours for sale John??? biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin

I saw it at the track...sorry I didn't get to chat with you at the track. Pretty much stayed with Linda and Jacob in the stands and let Ben do all the talking this time.

But the plan Ben and I came up with is (laughable to some probably) to get the 67 Chevy II Sedan race ready by the summer. Now when I say race ready....I don't mean shinny paint or high end parts. This will be low buck on a very limited budget. We are going to try and get the metal work done on the bottom side and hopefully painted, then do the subframe up complete with all the new stock parts I have. Use all the odds and ends I have around the shop to hop up the engine and get it running. Probably flat black or redoxide with no filler just welds on the outside. Back to the basics.....fun and race it until the fall on Friday nights. Car will be trailered. Then in the fall start all over again with where we left off.

Father and son part two. We are going to shoot to run 13.99 or better. This is the goal and the best part about it is if we don't get it done....we will be having a blast trying!!

As always ... school and family have to come first.

I was going to post a wanted ad but since I am typing anyway....We need two major Items to hit our goal. A pair of glass or steel fenders(needing dent removal or rust repair is OK and would be considered) and I think a 1996ish Toyota 4runner rear end housing complete with 3:73 or 4:11 posi is what we will be hunting for(or complete truck that is scrap yard bound). The rear will be critical for the 13.99 timeslip and the budget.

slab · BRANT COUNTY, ONT

Got the Glass fenders. That's one thing down. The rear end is a bit more of a problem and "Money" is the biggest part of that problem. We are in no rush though. LOL

slab · BRANT COUNTY, ONT

Not much going on in my shop lately but it will be a busy holiday season as two of my kids had minor fender benders. One needs a front fender and front bumper cover replaced and the other who had a deer hit him. Luckily he was not hurt and his car just needs a couple headlights, hood and bumper cover. I did get to help out at Glen's shop a bit.

I am still collecting parts for the next project and managed to get a glass hood. In a world that seems to only like "cowl induction " hoods....I will be different. LOL

We also took a ford Ranger rear end assembly out of Ben's parts truck that was recently rebuilt and has 4:11 gears(maybe 4:10) and will modify it to fit into the chevy II. Probably not a posi but we need the ratio to run our goal ET and It was pretty much free!!

Hey Kurt

Hey Oldguy

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-- Edited by slab on Sunday 14th of December 2014 01:40:32 PM

JPB · AYLMER, ONT

Nice work guys. Is that the one from Windsor area? I remember seeing it for sale.

slab · BRANT COUNTY, ONT

Yep ....that 's the one. It needs work but it's not bad. Ben and I really like it and the look we are going for needs it.

slab · BRANT COUNTY, ONT

Well I back at the wagon project. Ben's Camaro is done and his Ranger is working out just fine. We will now tag team my project and try to get this thing done.

Here's some pictures to get things caught up and show a couple small victories I managed tonight. Need a consistent string of small victories to win this battles.

some catch up pics....

What got done tonight....

Need to find a couple of these for the parking brake cable. They are smaller than the ones used for the flex lines.

Thanks for looking.

Bruce Rossiter · TORONTO, ONT

Are your brake shoes on backwards??????????

slab · BRANT COUNTY, ONT

Bruce Rossiter wrote:
Are your brake shoes on backwards??????????

Sadly .................. I think your right. Thanks for pointing that out. I am sure I had to ask on the Nova forum about that because it had been so long since I put front drum brakes together I had forgotten. Better keep my day job!

slab · BRANT COUNTY, ONT

slab wrote:
Bruce Rossiter wrote:
Are your brake shoes on backwards??????????
Sadly .................. I think your right. Thanks for pointing that out. I am sure I had to ask on the Nova forum about that because it had been so long since I put front drum brakes together I had forgotten. Better keep my day job!

Actually I just checked and my question was on the Nova forum" which goes on the fronts the wider shoes or the narrower?" meaning 2.5 wide on front and 2 on the rear which was the answer I got. And one guy even said shorter shoe on the front. DUH?! Well that's embarrassing! LOL

Bruce Rossiter · TORONTO, ONT

slab wrote:
Bruce Rossiter wrote:
Are your brake shoes on backwards??????????
Sadly .................. I think your right. Thanks for pointing that out. I am sure I had to ask on the Nova forum about that because it had been so long since I put front drum brakes together I had forgotten. Better keep my day job!

I was afraid to post for fear that another major brake discussion would start but its good to hear it will get straightened out and that's all that matters.

66-67-88Chevy · BRANT COUNTY, ONT

That will start when we run the brake lines. But luckily we don't have to worry about that discussion anymore!!

slab · BRANT COUNTY, ONT

Started out the day today by fixing the brakes.

Then since I am making this into a console shift car, I had to remove the column shifter boss.

After cutting, I ground and tapered the area and will use a bit of house window screen and JB weld to repair with filler and primer to follow later.

After this Ben checked out the starter to see if it would spin after 20 yrs and it did! So cleaned and painted it.

I needed to get brake and fuel lines run so I mocked up the master and the proportioning valve(still needs to be bench bleed) so I could get the lines run. I am also (as some may have noticed) converting this to a 67 Nova brake system with the dual master. This is not as straight forward as it might seem because the brake lines run down the opposite side of the car on the rocker. This meant "no clips" and they had to be moved and relocated.

Made it to the front of the rocker so far with the brake line. And I also found another parking brake clip so that's handled.

Thanks for looking.

-- Edited by slab on Saturday 21st of March 2015 06:14:00 PM

slab · BRANT COUNTY, ONT

JPB wrote:
slab wrote:
Can't argue with that statement ^^^^ It's been very slow. LOL Great seeing you as well at Rockton. Ben and I want to get going on another Father Son project so the wagon needs to be done first and out of the way.
Lets see,,,,, Wagon,sedan, got it- you need a 2dr hard top '67 Nova.

Actually.....maybe a 68 Camaro LOL

slab · BRANT COUNTY, ONT

A few more pics from yesterdays efforts.

The starter is now installed.

Had to dig through this junk to find a couple of missing springs.

Cat in the Hat · BRANTFORD, ONT

Great post. Great work

scott420p · BRAMPTON, ONT

Are those the valve covers I gave you? If so they look great all cleaned up.

slab · BRANT COUNTY, ONT

One of them is. the one on the passenger side. My other one was in great shape and already had the sticker on it.

Thanks Glen. I'm trying to get a run at having this thing done by the time you get your next car done!! LOL

Cat in the Hat · BRANTFORD, ONT

Wana bet?????? Lmao

slab · BRANT COUNTY, ONT

Even with the big head start( you don't have your next project yet!!??) I am still the underdog I believe. LOL

69SS454 · MILTON, ONT

$1 on Rich...just kidding. Love the progress so far now keep going.

slab · BRANT COUNTY, ONT

more progress tonight. Ben got another lesson on drum brakes. They are not his favorite yet!! confuse confuse

I had more cleaning of parts to do but did manage to get the flex lines on and the splitter boxes and bent up the small lines between them.

Cheers

Bruce Rossiter · TORONTO, ONT

I hate to mention this but you should check the self adjusting mechanism on that rear brake.

Just looking at some of the pictures of the undercarriage and it looks like it just came out of the factory. Is this a southern car? It looks excellent.

slab · BRANT COUNTY, ONT

Bruce Rossiter wrote:
I hate to mention this but you should check the self adjusting mechanism on that rear brake.

Just looking at some of the pictures of the undercarriage and it looks like it just came out of the factory. Is this a southern car? It looks excellent.

You have a good eye for brakes Bruce. What do you see wrong? We were or rather are having a bit of trouble with the arm not hitting the gear quite as good as it should but it was getting late and we said we would check it back out tomorrow. We were coping the old rusted shoes that were still assembled but maybe they were wrong??

The car came from California and a couple surfers owned it! biggrin biggrin

Don't worry about pointing out things that might be wrong. The car has been apart for twenty plus years and I'm no expert. It might save me a headache later anyways. It will be getting a safety check when done. It has never been on the road in Canada yet.

Rich

Bruce Rossiter · TORONTO, ONT

Hi Slab,

The self adjusting lever is on the wrong and should fit on the rear brake shoe. Take the lever from the driver's side and put it on the passenger side. You also have to make sure the adjuster at the bottom is on the correct side. To check this, with the adjuster in place, turn the star wheel down so it expands the brake shoes. Also make sure the spring over the adjuster is installed so it doesn't jam on the adjuster star wheel.

I found a picture but I don't know if I can post it.

-- Edited by Bruce Rossiter on Tuesday 24th of March 2015 01:15:50 PM

slab · BRANT COUNTY, ONT

Yep...that pic makes everything as plain as day. I also found our mistake was starting on the drivers side with the "rusty example" being the passenger side. I am going to check the passenger side and I am almost willing to bet it is correctly done! LOL We did check the adjuster for right and left as the are marked under the short pc that comes off the end "R and or L". I was telling another Rodder about my mistake with the big shoe and little shoe on the fronts and he said "I always take them off one side at a time ". I said me too but this was twenty years ago. LOL

Thanks for your good eye and help with these brakes! Looks like me and the kid are both learning how to assemble drum brakes.

Rich

slab · BRANT COUNTY, ONT

It seems I am destined to show everyone how to do brakes wrong and then right with the help of Bruce. LOL confuse confuse confuse disbelief

Did the rears again. Hope this is right?! Let me know....

Sadly not a ton to show for the time I spent out in the shop tonight. I bent up a couple more brake lines. They were 1/4 inch (not to stir up any trouble) from the master to the proportioning valve and from the proportioning valve to the frontline splitter. This is the way the 67 Nova was done and the lines are bent similar to the factory lines on my sedan. Unless someone changed them all out. The car only has 70000 on it so I'm hoping this is not the case.

They factory seemed to used a multitude of different fittings and I need a couple different ones to continue.

Bruce Rossiter · TORONTO, ONT

slab wrote:
It seems I am destined to show everyone how to do brakes wrong and then right with the help of Bruce. LOL
Did the rears again. Hope this is right?! Let me know....

They look good to me and I was happy to help out in some small way.

slab · BRANT COUNTY, ONT

I am pretty happy with todays progress! Slow and steady (not stopped a per usual) wins the race and since I haven't heard if Glen has found a new project, I might still be in the lead. LOL biggrin confuse

I have finally put the brake and fuel lines on. I still need to do from carb to pump and add a couple inches of rubber line but they are basically done. Still need to bench bleed master as well.

I ran 3/8 fuel line (over kill for the 283) and what a bear to bend while under the car! And since my hoist only goes up around 18 inches, it was a tough go. I routed the line as per a factory V8 car would be run and the brakes are as stated earlier run in the 1967 way.

Not as weak and out of shape as I thought I was! The 3/8 line bender kinda broke!

Tried to make it as clean as possible using the bender as much as I could. Having the engine out would have made things easier.

See ya!

jarvis1 · COBBLE HILL, BC

I'm not an expert on brakes so I will ask a question or two.
If you have drum brakes front and rear, why do you need a proportioning valve?
Also, on the rear brakes will there be a parking brake?

slab · BRANT COUNTY, ONT

jarvis1 wrote:
I'm not an expert on brakes so I will ask a question or two.
If you have drum brakes front and rear, why do you need a proportioning valve?
Also, on the rear brakes will there be a parking brake?

I may have called that block a proportioning valve when it may not be? It does connect to a wire that goes to the brake light and I may have called it that in error. I believe they added this because of the dual master cylinder(the 66 didn't have it). This was new for the 1967 Nova.

The car has the factory parking brake installed. The arms are hidden in the pictures with the drums assembled correctly but if you go back a few to where they are not correctly built, you can see the arm on the back shoe. If you were looking in the interior for the parking brake lever, it is there but the handle you pull is not. They were very commonly broke and I am looking to machine one at work.

Thanks for ask'n and looking in. Maybe someone with more knowledge can be more specific on the proportioning question.

Rich

slab · BRANT COUNTY, ONT

had one of those nights that nothing got done but to find out I need to buy a bunch of nickel and dime fittings and stuff. The evening started off great when I found out the lady at NAPA gave me 3/8 heater hose instead of the fuel line I wanted!! Wasted trip. Then the fuel pump has no fittings to adapt the lines to it. I bought a 5/16 fuel filter instead of a 3/8 last year. Need more fittings to run the trans lines. I was looking at the carb and well... I don't have a clue what to do with it?!~ LOL I am in some uncharted territory for me. Lots of research needed.

That part under the master cylinder is called a "distributor and switch assembly" in the factory assembly manual.

-- Edited by slab on Monday 30th of March 2015 09:22:20 PM

slab · BRANT COUNTY, ONT

More steel line bending tonight. Trying to get all the under car stuff done and engine things put back together. Got the itch to hear this thing fire up and I know Ben does too! The drive line is a "not sure" what's going to happen as it has all been sitting for a very long time. I guess we will find out soon enough.

Did the trans cooler lines tonight. Not a lot of room on a V8 Chevy II. Did I mention that this one was actually a 6 banger originally?

I also did the rubber fuel line to finish up from the tank to the fuel pump. Fittings for the Charter fuel pump arrive hopefully tomorrow.

Another problem is the trans /torque convertor cover. Mine are all for powerglides. Any one have one for an early Camaro turbo 350?? I put the one I had in with one screw just so I could get and idea on where the lines needed to go.

This is the powerglide one....

Cat in the Hat · BRANTFORD, ONT

Wow those are great clips to hold the lines.

I boots get some. Someday

slab · BRANT COUNTY, ONT

Yep you better. Actually I can give you some! The 1/2 inch ones rattled a bit to much so I took one of the ones you gave me to parts source and they carried 3/8 line clips. No need to go to princess auto. I did like the look of them on your comet. Thanks for your help.

Cat in the Hat · BRANTFORD, ONT

I'm only here to help Rich

54vicky · OAKVILLE, ONT

Rich I may have the 350 cover you need not sure if camaro used a specific cover or full size were different.I have several 350 full size covers.you are welcome to one if you do not find one closer.can send pic if it helps you

slab · BRANT COUNTY, ONT

54vicky wrote:
Rich I may have the 350 cover you need not sure if camaro used a specific cover or full size were different.I have several 350 full size covers.you are welcome to one if you do not find one closer.can send pic if it helps you

That would be great! The cover I need, has the bottom two bolts(closest to the trans pan) going straight up into the housing where as the glide cover you will notice has both (all 4) locations on the slanted part of the trans case. A picture would be great but I 'm not sure if that will help me as I think it will need to be slightly wider. I guess what I am saying is I don't have a clue other than the bolt hole locations??!! LOL Send me a PM with a location or phone number and I will get in touch. I'm off the next 4 days and I think I will need to have the lines unhooked to install the cover.

Thanks

Rich

54vicky · OAKVILLE, ONT

trans cover 002.JPG trans cover 003.JPG trans cover 004.JPG trans cover 005.JPG trans cover 006.JPG trans cover 001.JPG I hope these pics help Rich as per my PM to you

54vicky · OAKVILLE, ONT

Rich just so you know the extra oil on cover that you see also the dust(dirt) will require a small extra charge not included in the give away cost to you biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin

slab · BRANT COUNTY, ONT

Trans cooler in today.

Carb to fuel pump 3/8 line is done!! Put away the pipe and benders finally. That is a frustrating job.

Need some help with this carb. The last time I ran this engine it had an Edelbrock carb with 3 lines out the front. One went to the distributer, the big one to the pcv I believe and I think the last one went to a splitter with the trans vacuum line from the manifold. The Qjet has a lot more "openings" that seem to need vacuum lines attached.

I think I need a T in this line?? And to remove this nipple and put in a plug. I think that is the same as the one on the front down low on the carb??

Threw a seat in and sat behind the wheel for a minute to figure out where I wanted the "classic" three gauge set.

Here's another problem to fix. Any ideas?? Heater hose is too close and you can't bend the gauge line as much as I need to. I have a thought or two but I'm interested in others thoughts.

This end worked out well.

I was told not to use nylon line and today I found out why. It sucks. I will get some brass or copper tomorrow.

Thanks for looking in.

Rich

-- Edited by slab on Friday 3rd of April 2015 08:06:28 PM

Bruce Rossiter · TORONTO, ONT

This is how I would connect the vacuum ports since some of the devices that were installed on the engine that the quadrajet originally came from are not being used on your engine.

The large port on the front top side of the carburetor would normally go to the charcoal canister which you don’t have. This port is a fuel bowl vent and was originally used to capture fuel vapour from the float bowl. The small port on the top side of the carburetor is a timed port and could be used for your vacuum advance unit. The large port on the front bottom of the carburetor is used for the PCV valve.

At the back of the carburetor is a large port that would have gone to the power brake booster. The small port at the bottom of the back of the carburetor was used by the thermac valve in the air cleaner and it also could be used for the transmission modulator valve where you now have the adapter coming out of the intake manifold. If I`m not mistaken the small port at the rear of the carburetor could also be used for an untimed port for the vacuum advance as it was in 1967.

Somewhere I recall a thermostat housing spacer that would give you the clearance that you need for the upper rad hose. If you had later cylinder heads on your engine, you could have installed the temperature gauge adapter into the side of the driver`s side cylinder head.

Perhaps some others can ad to this.

slab · BRANT COUNTY, ONT

Thanks for your input Bruce. I appreciate it as well as how close you seem to be following along.

Charcoal canister port-can I close this off? Or does it need to breath or exhale?

Small timed port in the front- to distributer.

Large front port bottom - to pcv

power brake port can be plugged. which I had to do on my edelbrock carb as well.

small port in rear-can that be plugged off?

So I guess I don't need to T into the manifold vacuum line to the carb somewhere?

I sure hope this carb works out. A buddy of mine rebuilt it (I don't doubt his skill) but that was 20 years ago!! As with all the stuff I am using. LOL The tach and gauges where still in the boxes unopened from ....you guessed it...20 yrs ago.

JPB · AYLMER, ONT

Have the same problem on my chevy II. The previous owner used a straight up T stat housing and a goofy flex rad hose disbelief on the top.

Rochie · LONDON, ONT

Slab, use the small port on the rear of the carb for vacuum advance. Chevys don't like timed port advance