Anyone have a "Toy Hauler"?

hemi43 · ONTARIO

Anyone have a "Toy Hauler"?

slab · BRANT COUNTY, ONT

My house trailer ownership has "TV" on it as the type.

hemi43 · ONTARIO

Thanks slab !! Hopefully someone will post what code a toy hauler is.

2inchestoolow · CLARINGTON, ONTARIO

I'll have a look at my travel trailer and see what it says.

I have heard that a toy hauler is considered a cargo trailer....my brother in law has a Kargoroo...has a small cargo hold with a capacity of 1000# and I know it is licensed as an RV so maybe it depends on how much "cargo" other than normal RV type items it can carry?

hemi43 · ONTARIO

That's what I'm trying to find out. I'm thinking about getting a trailer for camping, but would also like to be able to carry something like a four-wheeler in it. My concern is that if these "toy haulers" are classified as cargo trailers, then I would have to get my truck and trailer safetied every year in order to obtain the yellow stickers.

2inchestoolow · CLARINGTON, ONTARIO

I suggest checking out the Kargoroo it has a great layout, and a small hold in the front that fits an ATV/motorcycle and when not used for that has a "Murphy" type bed that drops down from the front. There's is 28' with two slide outs and they love it.

Looking at my ownerships...
My enclosed cargo trailer has a TY code. My travel trailer has a TV code (both of them) and my fathers box trailers and tandom flatbed trailer are TY.

I'll see if I can get my brother in law to look at his ownership.

2inchestoolow · CLARINGTON, ONTARIO

The Kargoroo is a TV.

Sacotu · COBOURG, ONT

my 28ft argosy is TV

hemi43 · ONTARIO

Thanks guys! I checked out that Kargoroo, and seems pretty cool. Not exactly what I'm looking for as it will be too heavy to tow behind a 1/2 ton. I've seen some 18 foot toy haulers around which would suit me better that weigh just under 4000lbs.

2inchestoolow · CLARINGTON, ONTARIO

Yes, it's a load for a half ton , you would want helper bags. What's nice about them is that the cargo area is at the front.

I put my ATV in the back of my truck and tow my 21' trailer. It would sure be nice to have it inside but this works for me.

slim · DUNDAS, ONT

I think I found the problem to all our trouble

(xxiii) “RA/EM” refer with out a trailer,

That list came from gov of Canada assigning Vin's to vehicles and there codes .

-- Edited by slim on Tuesday 10th of September 2013 10:31:49 PM

wuga · PRINCE EDWARD COUNTY, ONT

Last year I bought a 7x14 cargo in the London area and the dealer put a yellow annual inspection sticker on it. I have since sold it and just bought a 8.5x20 cargo trailer in the Woodstock area. I was told by the dealer that since it is for personal use only, it does not need an inspection sticker and so I went over to motor vehicles and got it plated.
I am sitting here with my ownership and cannot find reference to the TY or TV that has been mentioned. Under body type I have an FV. Is this just because the trailer is strictly a cargo trailer and not wholly or partially an RV? This trailer has a tare weight of 3200 lbs and a gross weight of 9000 lbs. I tow it with my Chev 1500 with a 5.3, a cold air intake, a cat back and a towing tune by MGS in Courtice.

wuga

hemi43 · ONTARIO

The dealer that sold you that last trailer is wrong. You in fact need your truck and trailer yellow stickered whether it's for personal or business. It's all about weight(4500kg total combined GVWR of truck and trailer).
I actually just got a call back from my local RV dealer, and he confirmed to me that regular house trailers and toy haulers are both listed as "TV", which is good news.
I wish you were right ,wuga, but unfortunately the rules are stacked against us. Having said that, I have never personally heard any one getting fined, but the law is the law. I wish I could find out what these 2-letter codes actually mean. Your "FV" is the first one I've heard of. Thanks for that info.

Sacotu · COBOURG, ONT

my 78 cj7 is TY
92 zellers fold up trailer is TY
07 homebuilt trailer is TY
63 acadian wagon is 4W
70 pontiac convertible is CV
All the motorcycles are MS

2inchestoolow · CLARINGTON, ONTARIO

Never heard of an FV either?

That is interesting to learn about toy haulers Dan...was it Holiday World you were talking with?

Wuga is MGS in Courtice the place that is supposed to be good at tuning for better horsepower/mileage etc...supposedly very good with 6.0's? I've been thinking about getting my 1500HD truck tuned.

slim · DUNDAS, ONT

All I could find

the type of vehicle, in both official languages, or the word “TYPE” along with one of the following abbreviations, namely,

(i) “AMB” to refer to an ambulance,
(i.1) “AT/PA” to refer to an auto transporter,
(ii) “ATV/VTT” to refer to an all-terrain vehicle,
(iii) “B/A” to refer to a bus,
(iv) “BT/RA” to refer to a bus trailer,
(v) “CD/CCC” to refer to a C-dolly,
(vi) “EMC/MCH” to refer to an enclosed motorcycle,
(vii) “HHT/RL” to refer to a heavy hauler trailer,
(viii) “LSM/MVL” to refer to a limited-speed motorcycle,
(ix) “LDD/CRC” to refer to a load divider dolly,
(ix.1) “LSV/VBV” to refer to a low-speed vehicle,
(x) “MH/AC” to refer to a motor home,
(xi) “MC” to refer to an open motorcycle,
(xii) “MPV/VTUM” to refer to a multi-purpose passenger vehicle,
(xiii) “PC/VT” to refer to a passenger car,
(xiv) “RUM/MUR” to refer to a restricted-use motorcycle,
(xv) “SB/AS” to refer to a school bus,
(xvi) “TRA/REM” to refer to a trailer,
(xvii) “TCD/CDC” to refer to a trailer converter dolly,
(xviii) “TRI” to refer to a motor tricycle,
(xix) “TRU/CAM” to refer to a truck,
(xx) “TT/CT” to refer to a truck tractor,
(xxi) “TWV/VTR” to refer to a three-wheeled vehicle, and
(xxii) ”SNO/MNG” to refer to a snowmobile;

hemi43 · ONTARIO

2inchestoolow wrote:
Never heard of an FV either?

That is interesting to learn about toy haulers Dan...was it Holiday World you were talking with?

Wuga is MGS in Courtice the place that is supposed to be good at tuning for better horsepower/mileage etc...supposedly very good with 6.0's? I've been thinking about getting my 1500HD truck tuned.

Yes, Holiday World. When I stopped in and asked, they had no clue either but they were good enough to check into it for me.

MGS is right in behind Mike's Transmissions at Baseline and Courtice rd.

2inchestoolow · CLARINGTON, ONTARIO

I buy most of my trailer needs from them, always treated me well.

So MGS must be the place I keep hearing about.

hemi43 · ONTARIO

Lots of confusion with these codes!!Sacotu claims his Jeep and trailers all have the "TY" code, and Slim's post states "TT" as a "truck tractor", but that's the code that I have on my popup tent trailer. It's amazing how anything pertaining to our Government get's so damn confusing when you start digging for info.

2inchestoolow · CLARINGTON, ONTARIO

And I don't see TV or TY at all on that list.

DaveM · ONTARIO

My 6x10 enclosed trailer is TY.

Ask Martin at MGS about the Westers Garage tunes. Lyndon Wester has been tuning GM vehicles since the '80's. MGS is one of their dealers. Martin installed the Westers tune in my wifes car.

http://westersgarage.eidnet.ca/GM2.html

2inchestoolow · CLARINGTON, ONTARIO

Thanks Dave.

wuga · PRINCE EDWARD COUNTY, ONT

I just got back from the ministry and they inform me that the manufacturer assigns the code from a list supplied by the government. The T and whatever letter are generally based on what the manufacturer perceives the basic use of the trailer. Most cargo trailers have 7000 lb axles and are intended for hauling ATVs and the like. Because my trailer has the 9500 lb axles it is considered a freight trailer thus getting the F designation. She said she could change it to a T if I wanted but I left it.
MGS tunes your truck with only a computer, no new chip, so for emissions testing, there is no problem. They tune engine performance as well as tranny shifting. Their tune works best with a cold air intake and cat back system. I bought a Spectre intake and Dynamax exhaust from Summit for $400.00 all in. I've been quoted around $1600.00 here from the performance shops. Martin was great to work with, took my truck at the appointed hour and was finished in about 4 hours like he said. His charge was $450.00 + Tax and I think that is a standard charge.
My truck is rated for 9500 lb towing but the changes make it much easier.

wuga

hemi43 · ONTARIO

Did the ministry mention anything about you needing a yellow sticker on your truck and trailer? I'm dying to find out

teejay99 · BELLE RIVER, ONT

Just to confirm , a travel trailer , as well as a toy hauler are both licenced as travel trailers and there is no " yearly inspection " / yellow sticker involved . If you have a 1/2 ton p.u. , be careful calculating what it will pull as you have to factor in the weight of the "toy" , too . If you don't know the exact towing capacity of your truck , take the VIN# to your dealer's service dept and find out ( assuming axle hasn't been changed ) .
There are 16-18' toy haulers available , but you have to leave the toy outside to sleep in the trailer comfortably . A 30 footer would allow inside storage and sleeping , but require a heavier truck .

T

wuga · PRINCE EDWARD COUNTY, ONT

About the yellow sticker, I didn't ask. If I get pulled over, I will deal with it then. I know ignorance is not a good defence, but Woodstock Trailers said I did not need one. Empty I am about 3500 KG combined. My hot rod will take it to just about 4500 KG. So we will wait and see. Once we get rolling, I will go up the road and weigh everything.

Speaking of towing capacity, on Jan. 03/2012, I went to my dealer and told him I needed a 1/2 ton with 7000 lb towing capacity. They had this nice crew cab on the lot which he said met my needs. On Mar. 1, 2012 I returned that truck and asked for what I ordered or my money back. It wouldn't tow the 7x14 with a small load. It turns out the 4.8 chev engine isn't designed for anything larger then a utility trailer. They gave me the same truck with a 5.3 which made all the difference and even gets better gas mileage. I don't even know why GM makes that 4.8.

wuga

hemi43 · ONTARIO

My understanding is that if you do get pulled over, it will be a $240 ticket for the truck and another $240 for the trailer. Empty weight does not matter because they use the GWVR of the truck and trailer.
I have a 5.3 also and love it. I don't understand why they would even offer a 4.8.
Like teejay said, I'm looking for a 20ft or less toy hauler with the capability of carrying a small golf cart. These are available in the 4500lb dry range which would be fine for a 1/2 ton.

teejay99 · BELLE RIVER, ONT

Dealer salespeople can be pretty lax / unknowledgeable when it comes to towing . They want to sell a vehicle and might tell you what you want to hear. We use Trailer Life's towing guide back to 1999 .
I must emphasize that the REAR AXLE RATIO is most important in the towing equation ...don't bad mouth the motor if you have the wrong gear . The 7000 lbs you referred to needed a 5.3 with a 3.73 gear to tow comfortably . A 2x4 and 4x4 tow the same , by the way .

Some other terms :

GVWR = weight the axles will carry . Everything above the trailer axles will , of course , add up to less than the GVWR
GCWR = gross COMBINED ..= loaded trailer + loaded truck ( in case to try to fudge by loading all your stuff in the truck .)

T

2inchestoolow · CLARINGTON, ONTARIO

I had a 2005 chev 1500 ext cab with the 4.8. I towed my 21' loaded travel trailer with wife and two small kids to the east coast and back and other than in the Bay of Fundy Provincial park area I had very little issue. I thought I was going to kill the truck on one nasty incline in the area of the park.

I wanted a slightly bigger truck for a number of reasons so I sold it and bought a 2005 1500 HD ... These all come as crew cabs, 6.0ltrs and for all intents and purposes are a 3/4 ton truck with a 1/2 ton badge....I don't even feel my trailer behind me...but I sure watch the gas gauge fall!

I love the truck and am grateful that I don't put many miles on it on a daily basis. LOL