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NIAGARA FALLS, ONT

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We always use levels, angle finders, bevel squares, masking tape, 'building-lines', laser lines and at times even make our own tools as well...nothing wrong with that.  Those tools are the bread and butter of any hand crafted ride.

The other night I was thinking about the stuff I post and whether it's a little too redundant. What I mean by that is if people actually want to see the builds from a 'sitting on a shop stool' perspective or from only a 'build-milestone' perspective. I can see that the 'shop stool' perspective is in fact very appreciated. Thank you so much everyone. smile

About that shop tour? You guys are always welcome. All that I ask is that you give me a heads up if you're in the Niagara Falls area and wish to stop by.

By the way, with all the help you're providing Dave and everyone here on the site....you never struck me as a violent type of person Grumps!  hmm Guess looks can be deceiving.  Heh! biggrinbiggrinbiggrin

Cheers!

 

 



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I'm in for a tour. I just need a little advance notice. A day or two is good.....Or 4hrs in a pinch.

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Finally found a moment to post some updates...

The journey continues with our signature style 'exterior/interior' wire-frame buck for the Speedster.  Much of the bending is done... as usual...  by hand.

Comparing the curves for rear 1/4's hoops.

Hoops tacked in place to indicate the body's extremities over the rear wheels.

Rockers taking shape.

Establishing the front area where the nose will meet the sides.

Checking the elevations of the cutline risers for the doors and engine sides with a temporary shoulder line.

Bending flat bar vertically without twisting or puckering can get a little tricky. It’s started by hand and then tightened up with a hammer.

Stepping back across the shop to check the body's flow.

With the shoulder lines looking 'right', the rear lines are created.

Thanks for checking in on the build.



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Amazing Nick

Thanks

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Thanks Doc!

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We have a new Foose in our midsts. This is one thread that I'll be watching in detail. It's like Ron Fournier's books coming to life and then some

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Hey Gearhead, thanks very much for the awesome compliment, but I'm no Foose...

The gentleman we're building the roadster for just wants a clean cut custom driver that ... how did he put it, "won't eat too much out of his CPP to complete".  biggrin 

Always love a challenge.  smile

 

 



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Simply fascinating Nick .The purpose of the full scale drawing really jumps out at this this stage. It's so simple its profound again thanks for sharing  



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That's a great look at a cool build process! Where else are you gonna see this kind of methodical step by step, play by play action?!!! Even those high dollar TV shows skip over the good stuff just to hurry up and get to the end....in a week!

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Thanks guys!
slim wrote:

..... The purpose of the full scale drawing really jumps out at this this stage. It's so simple its profound again thanks for sharing  


Simple, yes.  But, a challenge non the less to go from 2D to 3D.  biggrin

For every point seen in the side and top views of the scaled drawings, one must visualize the equivalent points coming together in the third dimension and translate all those points into realspace. 

Some use 3D modelling and CAM software to accomplish this... we're old school.  We find it more fun, quicker, and incorporates a hands on emotion into the build.  smile



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invision wrote:

Hey Gearhead, thanks very much for the awesome compliment, but I'm no Foose...

The gentleman we're building the roadster for just wants a clean cut custom driver that ... how did he put it, "won't eat too much out of his CPP to complete".  biggrin 

Always love a challenge.  smile

 

 


 No problem....I have to say, you are living the dream....



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One Speedster buck ... done.

 

Now it's onto shaping some panels.



-- Edited by invision on Saturday 22nd of February 2014 04:02:21 PM

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looks good Nick See you are finding some time for R2. What is it again that they say... All work and.... Forget it ....What do THEY know anyway .smile



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ST CATHARINES, ONT

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one speedster buck.??.is that like a CTC buck????

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Here we go with the body panels...

Created a full 8' length rocker template and transferring it onto sheet metal.




My Dad starting to shape(bend) the full length driver’s side rocker.


After a few more passes in the wheel the rocker is starting to take some shape. However, you can see from the buckles that we have a little ways to go.


Some more stretching and shrinking in the wheel takes care of the buckles. Yeap! For those not too familiar with the english wheel, it can be used to shrink metal too. Fun stuff! Now it’s time to mark and tip the flanges.




Passenger’s side rocker panel shaped and ready for the flange tipping process.


Have a great day and try to stay warm!  This weather is nuts!! smile



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Gotta ask...I thought a English wheel worked by pushing metal (stretching) . How do you get it to shrink metal?? Is this something you can do with any wheel or do you have to get a certain kind? Next question is are there any bad manufactures of these wheels. I see princess auto has one and it looks good but does it work????. Sorry to ask so many questions but for this old dog to learn I gotta ask...Thax.

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One more question..why the c shape. All of the wheels are all c shape.

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Wow, JBG sooo many questions!!! If i charged a penny of every answer... hmm hang on... they don't exist anymore. :D

The 'C' shape allows one to roll wide panels, starting on one side and working towards the other. Depending on what you plan on rolling, the deeper the throat, the better. However, as the throat gets deeper, the spine needs to get larger/stronger otherwise it'll experience too much flex. Wheels at PA are just about as good as a limp noodle. You'd need to reinforce the heck out of it for it to be of any use... which brings us to the next point of weakness.. the anvils themselves. They're soft and the runout is terrible. That's why I went with building my own wheel. When I'm rolling metal, the wheel actually sings. Once i hear a particular note...similar to that of a tuning fork... "ding" ... the panel is done.

If you drop by the shop sometime I'll show you how it can be used to shrink metal. :D Much easier and quicker to show than explain.





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MAN, I LOVE THIS STUFF! If I had a job like yours, I'd probably be divorced by now. I'd NEVER leave work!

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Nick.....You and your dad have amazing talent

Every time i check in I learn something new

Keep on posting!

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Thanks!

Here's another little update.



Metal blank for the grill shell is loosely bent over the buck.


The shrinking process is started.  We need to essentially mash the metal into itself reducing the perimeter length.  The panel looks pretty rough and mangled at this stage.  No worries though!


Tucks are all planished out.  Looking a little more like a shell.


Things are really starting to take shape. Excess material is trimmed way and the inner edge marked and rolled.


Moving to the rear, the driver's side 1/4 gets roughed in.

 

 



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Are you kidding me ?? The rad shell in one piece (ok, maybe two)?? You're really putting us in our corners now, and making us bow down !disbelief

It would take me no less than 16 pieces to make that shell, and it would still look like a dog's breakfast. biggrinbiggrinbiggrin

You're the Man !! Keep it up....



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Thanks Mr. D!





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I know right?? Unrealsmile



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so when you make the peices for each side of the car, do you use the rods that are mocking up the body lines as a pattern?  how do you know each side of the cars sheetmetal is symetrical?  do you use patterns like race cars use to ensure they are the same?  this is rather incredible you can make a body from nothing but i suppose this is how they do them in the real world, ive never seen this type a fabrication before



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Thanks again for the enjoyable update.
(And you should really replace that cord on the nibbler.) Lol

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so when you make the peices for each side of the car, do you use the rods that are mocking up the body lines as a pattern?  how do you know each side of the cars sheetmetal is symetrical?  do you use patterns like race cars use to ensure they are the same?  this is rather incredible you can make a body from nothing but i suppose this is how they do them in the real world, ive never seen this type a fabrication before


Yeap, you got it Rob.  The buck is similar to a mannequin, perfectly symmetric from side to side. 

A pattern is made using key features from one side (or the other since they're identical), translated to metal and cut out.  Shaping the flat blank for one side then begins.  During the initial shaping process I use my eye to tell me where and how much the metal needs to be stretched or shrunk.  However, as the part gets closer, it's laid over the buck to determine the final tweaks.  Once final shaping is complete, the panel should sit on/fit the buck basically on it's own with no tension anywhere.  At this point the buck is used to indicate where the flanges need to be bent. 



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sasquatch wrote:

Thanks again for the enjoyable update.
(And you should really replace that cord on the nibbler.) Lol


Ha! That's been on my To Do list for a while now.  Good eye Ray!  biggrinbiggrin



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Wow. Fantastic work Nick! It must be a very cool feeling to be building something you've penned. Big fan of where and how this is going. Thanks for showing all the work that goes into it!

Ryan

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Hey Ryan! Thanks :)

It is a real pleasure to not only be asked to bring what this gentleman has been dreaming about to paper, but to also help him make it reality.  Still have a ways to go...glad to see you're enjoying the build. smile

 

 



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A little update.

Manually rolling an edge on the rear cab panel.

After cutting out the flat blank, some initial shape is put into the panel ... which makes it bend the wrong way!!! No worries though.


Initial stump shrinking followed by some time in the wheel starts bringing it around where it needs to be. The fender flare isn't wide enough yet, so we'll need to address that.

 



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The joining of some panels...

Panels lined up, scribed and trimmed. Now welding can begin with the first pass of tacks on the roadster's 1/4's.


Tacks are ground down and planished.


...tacking, grinding and planishing.....


Welding almost complete. After the panel has cooled we can begin the surface finishing process



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Thank for the updates Nick . Amazing  work as always.



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Amazing work, but I have to ask...

What happens if the new owner has a wee accident and mangles a quarter?

Has this happened yet?

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It a proprietary part - only one place to go to get a new one!!!

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Seriously Nick, I'm so amazed at how you guys can make those big panels without a 200 ton press and a set of dies. A full 1/4 panel and a grill shell- 2 pcs. each? Wow!

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If one has a wee accident that results in a 'reshaped' panel, depending on the degree of deformation, the part can usually be massaged back into shape....right on the vehicle. Or, if it's too severe, cut away the damaged area ... have a new one hammered out and installed.

Thanks guys!



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Again, much appreciated update.

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No doubt if you can build all panels for the whole car, fixing a messed up one, although heart breaking would defiantly be doable for you guys.



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Thanks smile, but heartbreaking? Nah! It's only metal.  wink 

 



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Moving forward with the grill.


Piece ready to be tacked.




Dad adjusting the lower features.


Cleaning up the tacks.


Ready for final welding.



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Rear 1/4's pretty much finalized last week.


The 1/4s' top pieces also have the inner seal trough formed ... eliminating the need to fab and weld separate pieces.


Making sure that everything fits. Getting ready to scribe the panels.


Similar to a large jig-saw puzzle, except in this case we can trim the edges to fit.


Playing 'hopscotch' to control heat introduced into the 1/4 panel... not as easy as one may think.


1/4's welded up, metal finished and ready to have the flanges tipped.




Onto the rear fascia...



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Simply amazing, Nick! Thanks for sharing. Every time I check your build thread it makes me want to run out to the garage! Very inspiring.

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Thank you Sir.

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Hi everyone,

Overall front 3/4 view...


...and here’s the front view with a pair of wheels I pulled off the shelf that are close in diameter to what the car will be running with. Aside from them sitting a little high(due to the box tubing cross members) it gives a pretty good idea.


Still have a little metal shaping left to fill the holes.



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That would be incredible with Indy car suspension with inboard ( hidden) shocks



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Cat in the Hat wrote:

That would be incredible with Indy car suspension with inboard ( hidden) shocks


 Like a prowler wink



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Some work done on the rear fascia.

After wheeling the panel...


...the curved bends were created with the tipping wheel. Since the panel had a slight curve, we couldn't just throw it into the metal brake.


Panel's edges are scribed and trimmed. Soon ready to be butt welded to the 1/4's.


Fine tuning the rockers for the roadster. More difficult than it looks to get that laser beam 'straight curve'.


Thanks for checking out the build. smile



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Just noticed the number of views for this thread! Just over 60,500 ... Yikes!
I'd like to thank everyone very much for looking at this build.

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Tipping wheel??...

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