Project WTF -Rat Rod Coupe- The Build!

Dave Scott · ANCASTER, ONT

Project WTF -Rat Rod Coupe- The Build!

Santos L Halper · GTA

Dave Scott wrote:
I have a brand new 220 Lincoln I love it.

Last I read your welder was set up for flux core (I'm guessing that was a different machine). A true Mig (meaning w/gas) really IS a beautiful thing. Something to keep in mind though, it doesn't take much of a breeze to blow the argon mix away from the weld. I've even had the fan from the welder itself do that when I was welding too close to the welder. A slight breeze coming in an open garage door can do the same thing.

On a happy note, a bright yellow 427 Cobra kit (topless) blew past me today on highway 7.... spring/summer really IS just around the corner biggrin

On a sad note, I was on the way back from a funeral/burial for the Easter Bunny (he was interred at the town dump). I found the bunster deceased (and bloody) in my backyard this morning cry

janies dirty 37 · SOUTH RIVER, ONT

Really lil helper Where the hell are we gonna get chocolate from now......Can you put a little bug in the big guy's ear?? I know its not his deal, but similar in spirit.

Just sayin.

lol

Dave Scott · ANCASTER, ONT

Ok, I'm going to post on the welding thread about flux core welding... see you over there

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

The wish list...I don't see a steering column, do you need one?

Dave Scott · ANCASTER, ONT

Gazoo wrote:
The wish list...I don't see a steering column, do you need one?

Hey Gilles. Glenn gave me a very nice column with removable boss

I have nothing to connect it to though, lol.

Oh, I need to add a steering box to the list, the one I have is toast, and the wrong way round

I should get more done this week

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

I have the steering box from the '38 Dodge here still. I don't know how good it is, or if it'll work for you, but it's yours already, should've dropped it off with that front axle. I just never got around to it. The snow is still a bit deep to walk to the back shed.

Dave Scott · ANCASTER, ONT

Gazoo wrote:
I have the steering box from the '38 Dodge here still. I don't know how good it is, or if it'll work for you, but it's yours already, should've dropped it off with that front axle. I just never got around to it. The snow is still a bit deep to walk to the back shed.

Thanks Gilles

No rush

jarvis1 · COBBLE HILL, BC

I would like to add to this wishbone/tilt thing.
Now that you have cut the wishbones and welded them, I would think you may have to tilt the suicide perch the same amount.
Otherwise you will have binding in your spring.
I may be wrong.....

slim · DUNDAS, ONT

The location should not of changed . the spring is connected to the bone behind the modification

toomuchjunk · S/W ONTARIO

Just asking, trying to get this straight in my mind. Is there a thrust bearing that goes on the top of the axle between the the axle and the top prong (or what ever it's called)of the wishbone,where the original spring mount bolt goes through? On the pic above that Slim reposted.

Just asking,, did I miss something?
Thanks
TMJ

slim · DUNDAS, ONT

I was thinking no but that is the bearing at the top of the king pin. chev is between the axle and spindle at the bottom .

are you thinking of the perch ? he is not using the original mount- no bearing perch is a tapered seat top and bottom.

-- Edited by slim on Monday 17th of March 2014 10:07:39 PM

jarvis1 · COBBLE HILL, BC

I was wrong. I didn't notice that the spring was attached to the wishbone.
I was thinking of spring over axle.

toomuchjunk · S/W ONTARIO

toomuchjunk wrote:
Just asking, trying to get this straight in my mind. Is there a thrust bearing that goes on the top of the axle between the the axle and the top prong (or what ever it's called)of the wishbone,where the original spring mount bolt goes through? On the pic above that Slim reposted.

Just asking,, did I miss something?
Thanks
TMJ

After I posted this last night I had my milk and cookies and went to bed. I laid there and thought about it. I am wrong there is no need for a bearing there,, there should be no movement.

Like Slim said.

TMJ

Dave Scott · ANCASTER, ONT

toomuchjunk wrote:
toomuchjunk wrote:
Just asking, trying to get this straight in my mind. Is there a thrust bearing that goes on the top of the axle between the the axle and the top prong (or what ever it's called)of the wishbone,where the original spring mount bolt goes through? On the pic above that Slim reposted.

Just asking,, did I miss something?
Thanks
TMJ
After I posted this last night I had my milk and cookies and went to bed. I laid there and thought about it. I am wrong there is no need for a bearing there,, there should be no movement.
Like Slim said.
TMJ

I think I know what you're getting at.

Firstly, the pin you see with the damper perch thingy will be getting replaced with just a simple pin with a slightly rounded top. It's called a perch bolt, and looks like this:

As you can see, the top and bottom of these bolts have conicle seats to help locate the bolts, but once they are tight, they won't be moving much.

Bearings won't be required as there shouldn't be any movement left-to-right, the whole front axle should move as one.

Here is another picture as I just realised that the picture you are looking at makes it look like the spindle is attached to the radius arms..

Hope that makes sense, and more importantly, I hope I'm right, lol

-- Edited by Dave Scott on Tuesday 18th of March 2014 07:28:29 PM

Dave Scott · ANCASTER, ONT

I got more amazing gifts recently

From Jim (31Blackrat)

Check these out:

Thank you Jim, they are going to look amazing

In other news...

I finally got some more metal, so I can get started on the body, with the rear end being my priority

34guy · MISSISSAUGA, ONT

Cool Dave something to polish !!!

I ran out of tig gas a week or so ago and loaded the machine with flux core

I finish welding what I had to and shut her down.

I don't know how you can weld with that ,the smoke and mess it leave's behind

I was choking to death and I'm a smoker

Do yourself a favour Dave and get some Gas and regular wire Watch for a bottle at the market

this weekend it will make your rear end install a lot easier

janies dirty 37 · SOUTH RIVER, ONT

Nice score Dave.
And good on ya Jim

JohnnyBgood · ST CATHARINES, ONT

Catching a peak of rad and headlights too? Maybe even a set of spark plugs....eh. Doing well Davey...

Dave Scott · ANCASTER, ONT

JohnnyBgood wrote:
Catching a peak of rad and headlights too? Maybe even a set of spark plugs....eh. Doing well Davey...

Mock up headlights, just to give it character, and the plugs are just to "plug" the engine to stop crap getting in.

31 Blackrat · WATERDOWN, ONT

34guy wrote:
Cool Dave something to polish !!!
I ran out of tig gas a week or so ago and loaded the machine with flux core
I finish welding what I had to and shut her down.
I don't know how you can weld with that ,the smoke and mess it leave's behind
I was choking to death and I'm a smoker
Do yourself a favour Dave and get some Gas and regular wire Watch for a bottle at the market
this weekend it will make your rear end install a lot easier

Never tryed a tig but I do know the only thing flux core is for is welding in a windstorm but then you dont have to worry about the smoke..

dodge38 · MISSISSAUGA, ONT

Dave, my precious.. oh, your shiny pieces, nice!

Flux core welding is just fine as long as you weld rusty sheet metal only like me

I think Joe your welder is a mig only...

Dave Scott · ANCASTER, ONT

dodge38 wrote:
Dave, my precious.. oh, your shiny pieces, nice!
Flux core welding is just fine as long as you weld rusty sheet metal only like me
I think Joe your welder is a mig only...

I'm really not bothered with smoke and fumes.

I was in Princess Auto the other day and normal mig wire is about half the price, so long term I would definitely be financially better off, but for now I will carry on. Hey, if I can weld with flux, then this gas stuff should be a doddle

Iwannagofast · ONTARIO

It's looking good Dave.

RacerRick · TORONTO, ONT

Welding with gas is way easier than flux! I rent a bottle, its a bout $80 a year for a Q bottle. I fill it up about twice a year if I am welding a lot.

Car looks good. I can't wait to see it driving around. I really want to work on my junk by my shop is still frozen shut by 6 inches of ice!

toomuchjunk · S/W ONTARIO

before you go and sign up for a lease you might want to check out TSC and weigh the prices and the pro's and cons.
I found that about the time I had almost a full bottle of gas my contract would come due. Then you have two choices give the gas back or sign again.
I'm not sure which is best but I'm just saying check it out
IMO
TMJ

Dave Scott · ANCASTER, ONT

toomuchjunk wrote:
before you go and sign up for a lease you might want to check out TSC and weigh the prices and the pro's and cons.
I found that about the time I had almost a full bottle of gas my contract would come due. Then you have two choices give the gas back or sign again.
I'm not sure which is best but I'm just saying check it out
IMO
TMJ

hmmm, yeah, something to consider.

Where do you get your bottles filled?

DB Cooper · ONTARIO

toomuchjunk wrote:
before you go and sign up for a lease you might want to check out TSC and weigh the prices and the pro's and cons.
I found that about the time I had almost a full bottle of gas my contract would come due. Then you have two choices give the gas back or sign again.
I'm not sure which is best but I'm just saying check it out
IMO
TMJ

What do you mean by "check out TSC"? Do they have something to offer other than the usual yearly tank rental?

34guy · MISSISSAUGA, ONT

Dave

Lindes has bottle sales all the time

Generally around 175.00 full and then

After that it is 85.00 taxes incl.walk in

and exchange the bottle

Look up linde for a location near you

A bottle would likly last you 9 months

to a year

hemi43 · ONTARIO

The small tanks that can be purchased are only around 80 cubic feet and you will pay about 3 times the cost for the gas compared to the large bottle. You have to do the math to see if it's worth it or not. If you find you wont use too much gas in a year and want to own your bottle, buy a used one at the swap meets. I have never paid more than $40 for a bottle, and it doesn't matter what type of gas the bottle is. Oxygen, argon, nitrogen, C02 or whatever, they will exchange it for whatever you want.
If you want to rent the bottle, then talk to their sales rep. I pay $35/year for the lease on my argon, and get the gas at the best price. You have to ask to get a deal !!

123pugsy · MARKHAM, ONT

Dan, did you say something?

hemi43 · ONTARIO

123pugsy wrote:
Dan, did you say something?

LOL biggrin biggrin biggrin

Everyone else is changing their avatar, so I figured I'd jump on the band wagon also.

-- Edited by hemi43 on Tuesday 25th of March 2014 03:29:11 PM

DB Cooper · ONTARIO

hemi43 wrote:
If you find you wont use too much gas in a year and want to own your bottle, buy a used one at the swap meets. I have never paid more than $40 for a bottle, and it doesn't matter what type of gas the bottle is. Oxygen, argon, nitrogen, C02 or whatever, they will exchange it for whatever you want.

I have a small acetylene tank I was given (used) several years ago. You're saying I can just walk into Linde and exchange this tank for mig gas tank (same size) and just pay for the gas? What if the tank is expired? (I have no idea if mine is) What if the tank is from a competitor? (I think some companies paint their tanks, or maybe just the lids, different colours to show different contents).

I not saying you're wrong, just surprised is all.

Oh yeah, and what service does TSC have in regards to welding tanks?

-- Edited by DB Cooper on Tuesday 25th of March 2014 03:40:52 PM

hemi43 · ONTARIO

Tanks from different companies are exchangeable, as long as it's the right size that can be legally owned by Joe Public. I have done this 4 times, so I know that it's doable and have never had any problem. I even bought a tank once from the Barrie flea market, and it was an American company (forgot the name) and exchanged it no problem. There's really no expiry on these tanks, all they do is re-certify them. I just gave Chris Stapely a large oxygen tank I had laying around, and the manufacturing date on it was during WW2. It had been re-certified a half-dozen times (or more) since but was still in perfect usable condition.
As far as TSC, they are licensed to exchange tanks from Praxair. If you do go to TSC for a tank exchange, be prepared to pay a bit more than if you were going directly to Praxair.

As far as exchanging an acetylene tank for something else, I don't see a problem, but just ask. All they can say is NO. Acetylene tanks are a different design than other tanks, so I'm not sure if this is an issue or not.

-- Edited by hemi43 on Tuesday 25th of March 2014 04:00:55 PM

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

as some of you may recall, i posted a pic of a tank at my buddies welding shop, made in 1918 in germany, had a swastika on the tank from that era, ill see if he still has it hemi, you can add it to your collection

Dave Scott · ANCASTER, ONT

Thanks, lots of helpful info there

RacerRick · TORONTO, ONT

I have a praxair customer number from my lease number and a TSC right near my shop. I just swap out my tank anytime it is empty and pay my praxair cost. If its Co2 its about $35 for my Q tank. I am getting Argon next time so I can simply swap the tank to the TIG instead of having two tanks. I don't use the TIG enough to justify two tanks really.

toomuchjunk · S/W ONTARIO

RacerRick wrote:
I have a praxair customer number from my lease number and a TSC right near my shop. I just swap out my tank anytime it is empty and pay my praxair cost. If its Co2 its about $35 for my Q tank. I am getting Argon next time so I can simply swap the tank to the TIG instead of having two tanks. I don't use the TIG enough to justify two tanks really.

C02 and Argon valves are different

TMJ

hemi43 · ONTARIO

toomuchjunk wrote:
C02 and Argon valves are different
TMJ

Depends on the style/size of tank. I'm fairly certain that the same size tank will have the same valve.

edit; C02 uses a unique valve. see below

-- Edited by hemi43 on Wednesday 26th of March 2014 11:58:09 PM

toomuchjunk · S/W ONTARIO

(I think it's been awhile)..
The nut and the nipple on the reg. that attach to the tank are different. C02 is flat with a fibre ring to seal and the nut has female threads on it. C25 and argon the nipple is tapered and the nut has female threads on it.

Tmj

-- Edited by toomuchjunk on Wednesday 26th of March 2014 10:52:21 PM

hemi43 · ONTARIO

Tmj is right, C02 has it's own valve. One thing that is not mentioned below is "beer gas" that's used with draft setups. It uses the same valve as C02. Ask me how I know!! LOL

Here's a list of valves used with different gases;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_cylinder

Gas type CGA Valve Outlet (USA) BS Valve Outlet (UK)[8]
Acetylene 510 2,4
Air, Breathing 346 3
Air, Industrial 590 3
Argon 580,718,680(3500 psi),677(6000 psi) 3
Butane 510 4
Carbon dioxide 320,716 8
Carbon monoxide 350,724 4
Chlorine 660,728 6
Helium 580,718,680(3500psi) 3
Hydrogen 350,724,695(3500psi) 4
Methane 350 4
Neon 580,718 3
Nitrogen 580,718,680(3500 psi),677(6000 psi) 3
Nitrous oxide 726,712 13
Oxygen 540,714 3
Oxygen mixtures (>23.5%) 296 Other guides apply
Propane 510 4
Xenon 580,718 3

Dave Scott · ANCASTER, ONT

My Lincoln welder came with a valve and gauge thing. Do I just take that with me when I get a bottle and they'll sort me out then?

hemi43 · ONTARIO

Dave Scott wrote:
My Lincoln welder came with a valve and gauge thing. Do I just take that with me when I get a bottle and they'll sort me out then?

No, because the tank that they will give you will fit your gauge. smile

DB Cooper · ONTARIO

Dave Scott wrote:
My Lincoln welder came with a valve and gauge thing. Do I just take that with me when I get a bottle and they'll sort me out then?

No need to take it with you as the welding supplier will know what you have. I do think they will ask what "mix" of gas you want though, so you should figure that out first (by asking others on here). Don't forget, you will need to change your wire spool too.

You wondered why the hate for fluxcore, well you'll totally understand once you put some time in with your mig.

-- Edited by DB Cooper on Thursday 27th of March 2014 01:28:05 PM

Playin Hookie · HUNTSVILLE, ONT

DB Cooper wrote:
Dave Scott wrote:
My Lincoln welder came with a valve and gauge thing. Do I just take that with me when I get a bottle and they'll sort me out then?

No need to take it with you as the welding supplier will know what you have. I do think they will ask what "mix" of gas you want though, so you should figure that out first (by asking others on here). Don't forget, you will need to change your wire spool too.

and switch the polarity of the machine.

Dave Scott · ANCASTER, ONT

Thanks guys. I kept the instructions, as I noticed about changine the cable over, AND I'm supposed to change the nozzle over to the plastic one...or vice versa, lol.

hemi43 · ONTARIO

You'll find also that after downing a half a bottle of Dram, your welding will improve ten fold.This was the best advice given to me by a welder.

Dave Scott · ANCASTER, ONT

wahey, I finally did something

Ok.... I've stared and stared and stared at my rod (as we do) and decided it's just a wee bit too long at the front. So time to chop.

The plan...

Move the front cross bar and radius arm mounts back 6 inches.

I feel this is the best option over cutting the frame and re-attaching it.

First I removed the body and engine so I could raise the front for welding acces.

I measured 6 inches from the back of cross bar

cutting weld is a pain in the titties, lol. I know what I'll be looking for at tomorrow's swap meet, lol.

I tried not to cut any of the actuall bar

Cleaned off all the weld and tidied up the new area

turned the volts up and the wire feed speed. Lots of penetration

Chopped of the radius arm mounts. I have a new plan for re-attaching them

time to chop off the excess steel from the front

Glenn, you may wish to look away now

Need to rebuild it all before I attach the radius arms

Chucked the body and engine back on

I am soooo pleased with the results. I still need to make new radius arm mounts, but I'll get back into it tomorrow after the swap meet.

The rad and shell and lights are just stuck on for mock up.

hemi43 · ONTARIO

Wont moving the front end back screw up your Ackerman?

janies dirty 37 · SOUTH RIVER, ONT

Good on ya Dave.
Looks great.