I dunno. Driving around a track turning left only is only half-racing.
Give me something where shifting hapens 90% of the time, where braking is an art, and you turn the car in BOTH directions....THAT is racing.

When they say they are going to let them race it should be just that .They used to say rubbin is racing now rubbin is grounds for fines and primadona drivers whining and owners crying.Let them race,points for 1st thru 3rd and everyone else lost so deal with it.Win or go home should be the new NASCAR motto.They started to see the writing on the wall this year with some new rules ,lets just hope they keep going in that direction. Ed

El Toro , I like your idea ...a figure 8 would get my attention . Best races I've seen are Bristol ...especially the August night race ...was there for the famous Earnhardt " I was just trying to rattle his cage race " when he took out Labonte on the final lap . That's when they had the front and back pits and you virtually COULN NOT win from the back pit ...but Earnhardt did so in another race . He was worth the price of admission .

T

I'll tell you one track that is great "bang for the buck " , about a half hour from me outside Chatham , is South Buxton Speedway . It's a small dirt oval ( egg shaped to be more exact ) and they put on a good show for the money ( I get in for the Old Farts rate , under $10 ) .......it's hokey as hell but these guys are avid racers . The track officials keep things running in a very timely manner .

T

Yeah....that was the race.....It was Stenhouse, Danicas boyfriend (are they still an item?) who slammed into her.....Might not be after yesterday...lol

Austin Dillon took the pole today for the 500.......Grampa Childress is proud

Do you guys follow the vintage racing club over there .We only get to see them a couple of times on this side of the big smoke.I also enjoy the little vintage cars with the motorcycle motors,I can't remember what they are called. I agree,at least one points race a year,vintage body styles say nothing newer than 1980.Wouldn't that bump the prices of old cars with all the teams scrambling for bodies to adapt.Could be good for everybody. Ed

Thanks TeeJay,they are fun to watch. Ed

hemi43 wrote:

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NASCAR died the day Toyota was allowed to race !!

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 Yeah...it should be the Big 3.....GM, Ford and Mopar.....er, I mean Fiat

Toyota, Ford and Chevy all run their own engines. But they are all proprietary race pieces not based off of production engines. All 16 valve pushrod V8's.

 

Toyota has nothing to do with it. None of those cars on the track have hardly anything to do with factory models. I say bring back the old days where you had to take a factory built car, heavily modify it and go racing. Toyota is built in entirety here now...may as well be domestic. No sense getting wet eyes about the country of origin. More pacific rim parts in the big 3now what's the diff??

Actually, what I said summed it up earlier. Nascar died for me when they ceased to be real cars. (AKA, cars coming off of the production line, and sent to the race shop)
Now with to sort-of facimile of a car, and restrictions...its nothing more than drivers. They may as well run down the track

Canada has no domestic auto industry ever since Bricklin went tits up in 74.......I guess we are talking North American as domestic. I dont see why we would as Canadians, because the Americans would throw us under the bus if it would help them at all.

NASCAR needed Toyota to prop up dwindling attendance.....I guess the NA in NASCAR doesnt mean North American anymore, it means Nearly All

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Canada has no domestic auto industry ever since Bricklin went tits up in 74.......I guess we are talking North American as domestic. I dont see why we would as Canadians, because the Americans would throw us under the bus if it would help them at all.

NASCAR needed Toyota to prop up dwindling attendance.....I guess the NA in NASCAR doesnt mean North American anymore, it means Nearly All

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 The point I'm trying to make is that the so called imports are now manufactured here. Look at the Magna, Linamar, Collins & Aikman, Jefferson, Musashi, Lear, TG Minto plants to name some local factories. They make driveline, interior and body parts for Toyota, Honda and the big 3. I can walk through those plants and see big three parts on one aisle and "import" parts down the next. Southern Ontario pumps out tons of auto parts. You cant call them "Imports" anymore. They are NA produced.

 

I too look at the traditional 'Big Three' as the major auto manufactures in Canada but the reality is Toyota is or will soon be the largest. G.M.Canada has gone from over 45000 hourly workers to less than 3800. If you add Cami in Ingersoll which G.M.owns and operates but pretends it is a separate company it brings the total hourly in Canada to aprox.5000. The profits go to the U.S.A. where G.M. has stated the focus of future growth is China. Ford is down to less than 3000 hourly in Canada and their profits also go to the U.S. This company who took great pride in not taking govt. . bailouts now wants millions from the various levels of govt. to retool the Oakville ass. plant [tax payers money.]Chrysler has also shrunk down to approx. 4500 hourly and the profits go to the owners in Italy. Honda has less than 2000 hourly and obviously their profits go to Japan..this leaves Toyota. The profits go to Japan but in their plants in Woodstock and Cambridge they have approx. 4000 hourly and are still hiring . Sorry guys but the definition of Canadian auto manufacturing is changing

There goes Poncho deleting threads again and totally confusing things. This is getting a little tiring as soon as we get into a debate over things.

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There goes Poncho deleting threads again and totally confusing things. This is getting a little tiring as soon as we get into a debate over things.

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 Debating is one thing, when the name calling starts, I delete.......Thats the way it is....I could be deleting accounts