Hey all you rodders out there! Hope ya haven't lost any digits due to frost bite, or got buried in a mountain of snow!
Ive been sitting here drooling over all yer rides, and reading all your threads....and I just cant for the life of me figure it out...
How can you guys/girls find the money to build and maintain your slick tricks?!
How can you afford all the tools and machines to do it with?!?!
And How the hell do you find the time to do it all?!?!
And how the hell can I get that?!?!
I wish I didn't waste my time when I was younger with music and parties....and instead spent my time getting into hot rods!
I would give anything to go back in time, and take some shop classes...maybe hang out in a garage somewhere...
I've always had a fascination with racing, classic cars, hot rods, and kustoms, but just didn't act on it...didn't really have anyone around me that was into the same things...
I envy you guys, and live somewhat, vicariously thru you and those gorgeous, rusted, patina'd, slick, polished, perfect little gems of hard work and history!
Maybe I'll just buy a camera and become a hotrod photographer...and just surround myself with pics...might be a little more affordable.
if you know of anyone with too much money that would like to help fulfill a young mans dreams...or a shop that is willing to apprentice a green horn....or know of any 'once in a lifetime' chances to get into racing and or the hotrod industry....please send 'em my way! If not that's cool....words of encouragement work too...
sorry for the rant, but I've just got to vent, and my wife is tired of hearing it...
How can you guys/girls find the money to build and maintain your slick tricks?!
How can you afford all the tools and machines to do it with?!?!
And How the hell do you find the time to do it all?!?!
And how the hell can I get that?!?!
I wish I didn't waste my time when I was younger with music and parties....and instead spent my time getting into hot rods!
I would give anything to go back in time, and take some shop classes...maybe hang out in a garage somewhere...
What we do and what we have was not built overnight. Some, like me, have taken 35+ years to accumulate the tools and machines we have. The best advice I can give is research what you want, and go to as many auctions as possible. 9 out of 10 auctions will be a disappointment, but that 1 will be like winning the lottery. As far as time, you have to discipline yourself to make the time, and push yourself to get your project done. It's not always fun !! It's never too late..
Thx Hemi! I am slightly impatient when it comes to something I love! But I see what your saying..its like running Daytona...gotta pace myself..
As for time...that is one of the trickier ones...I have a 2 y/o, one in the oven due in July, and a homelife that requires a lot of my time....wife, house...etc...but hopefully I can include my kids into my hotrod love...and get their hands dirty too!!
Something I always wanted from my dad...
Thx Hemi! I am slightly impatient when it comes to something I love! But I see what your saying..its like running Daytona...gotta pace myself.. As for time...that is one of the trickier ones...I have a 2 y/o, one in the oven due in July, and a homelife that requires a lot of my time....wife, house...etc...but hopefully I can include my kids into my hotrod love...and get their hands dirty too!! Something I always wanted from my dad...
We've all been there !! Get your kids involved and hopefully they will get the bug also when they get older to build something. I always wanted to build something with my Dad, but he was never much of a Gearhead. He passed away a few weeks ago, which is one dream that will never happen.
Im sorry to hear of your loss Hemi.. my condolences! well my daughter already knows what a hot rod is, and points them out to me!! So I think I'm planting the seed. :P
I got the bug early in life. I was about 10 when it happened. My folks have had zero interest in the hobby. Now I am a parent and my boy got the bug at a very early age. It was never forced on him and came naturually. People assumed since he came to every car show or cruise night I made him go. Not true. Happened all on his own.The only thing I made sure of first was that he had a solid set of tools. Cars are cool but if you don't have the tools to fix them then what good is the hobby? Yes I have tools but it did not teach him anything to borrow mine. He saved his pennies and got his first car and we been slowly plugging away at it. We are both the under dogs because the car was put together soley on hammie downs from me, bought and sold skateboard, motorcycles,etc he sold off to pay for, crushing pop cans for gas and so on. I helped as much as I could as his dad but no longer working, being very sick on diability I can no longer help like I once did.
1st rule for his hotrod is school comes first, his education now and the future and the hotrod he has is strictly a pleasure toy not a means to work etc. If school suffers, car is on hold. This has shown him discipline, value for a dollar and also shown him not to piss away money on drugs, stupid alcohol or cigarettes and have something to show for. He continues to scrimp and save, barter,trade,sell every cent he can so he can further upgrade thing son his car. It has paid off because at shows people read the plaque,see his age and do a double take, its made 2 major automotive news plublications. Old Autos and this month HotRod Magazine.
As his dad I believe this will give him a head start in life because as he gets furth in his education he will be more focussed on his career, his trade, tools and his personal life and then starting a family. Once highschool is completed, and his career is under way, there is no way he could afford building a toy then. Now is the time. Times have changed, when I was his age, everyone had a toy. I'm just glad he is not calling me drunk somewhere asking for a ride. He usually says " Dad, how do I do this? How can we build that with this?" His friends are always over wanting to go for rides, and girls his age like his car but do not "get it". Nor should he expect them too.
Staring or getting into this hobby you don't have to have the nicest, prettiest, fastest car. Peterson's definition of a hotrod is any performance or appearance upgrade to the vehicle. If anyone is getting into the hobby now. I suggest to pass on your knowledge or it dies with you and secondly. Newbies are now looking outside the box and sedans are becoming the affordable car to build. Usually a 10th of the price and you can find some really clean vehicles. Since I no longer can afford the hobby. I live vicariously though my son. You can take the hotrod away from me but not out of me. HotRodding takes time and money. Not even a "Riddler Award Winner" or an "11 sec car owner" started with a trailer queen. They all started with a "driver".
Hemi, my condolences for your loss.
-- Edited by GhostPost on Tuesday 11th of March 2014 07:57:15 AM
I agree Ghost.....if its in the blood there is no getting rid of it.
My parents knew from an early age I was afflicted with the sickness for anything car/truck related.
I was the youngest of 5 and I used to take my older brothers best dinky cars to play with. I think they bought me a doll once for Christmas and that got chucked in the corner pretty fast.
My dad was an owner operator of his own trucking company so if you wanted to spend anytime with him at all.....it was while he was working on one of the trucks. My job was to clean/wash them when I was young and then hold/pass tools when I was older. I'll never forget the day I was 11 and he told me to "move" the truck to the other side of the yard. From then on they called me "wheels" and you couldn't keep me out of them.
When I was 12 I talked my dad, grandpa and oldest brother into building a dune buggy out of an old bug. We must have been before our time cause it was flat black. lol Had a riot with that thing.
We has snow machines for the winter, brought home a dirtbike in a box from shop class and got it going ( yes, I was the only girl in shop class but the smartest one I think cause that where all the cute boys where.), drove that summer and winter if I wanted. Graduated up to street bikes when I was about 14.
And then picked up an old Cordoba and there was a gentlemen that owned a garage that used to let me hang around there and work on it. Let me do the body work there. He taught me a lot and I'm sure he thought "what the hell is this girl doin around here" but I think he saw a real interest to learn and I worked hard to prove myself.
I'm 46 2 kids (one heading to college) and picked my car out of a field 2 yrs ago. I don't have all the tools needed and a fancy heated shop or all the knowledge I need. But that's why I'm here. To learn. The wealth of knowledge on here and generosity is unmatched anywhere else. No time, No money.....same old story all these guys know it well.
Its not a race.
Its your life.
Enjoy the ride.
Get a plan together you can succeed at .....your plan will change.....many times...... You'll get there.
Well said Janice....my plan has changed more times than I can count. Girls like you are rare, far, few and inbetween. My wife has evolved into this lifestyle,hobby and social world. She may not "get it" but understands it and is ever so happy I am not into sports, especially golf.(like watching paint dry). She says atleast the"family" can enjoy the hobby. She knows where I am at. Not in a bar getting drunk, not waisting money, and knows it makes us happy. The hobby also has serves us gear heads well saving money doing most repairs at home for parts not labour.
And your right...its a sickness. First nice day, Im outside detailing the car knowing the first puddle will make it filthy again as the snow mels but it makes me feel good inside. Im sure my neighbours think im nuts but hey, some golf,some play hockey, some do this some do that.
-- Edited by GhostPost on Tuesday 11th of March 2014 10:10:04 AM
Chance. I remember when you joined as my nephew is also named Chance. You don't say how old you are.....but I'm thinking your still just a pup.
I'm pretty sure none of us here started out with the rides/tools or resources we have now. We worked with what we had and all probably polished turds for years
Most of us can look back at what we started with and stuff we built and have a good laugh. But that's how we learned. There are a few young people on here that are just starting into this hobby. We love seeing newbies entering the hobby.
For most of us when our kids were young, family life takes priority.Breaking news........there will always be something getting in the way of our hobby. Each car/truck I bought was fixed up to the best of my ability at the time and was my favorite until the next one came along. But I learned a lot and had a blast every step......well almost every step of the way.
It all takes time but you have plenty. There is nothing to stop you from going back to school and learning the basics and that's the best advise I can give you.
You will meet like minded people there and begin to network that way. Its never to late to reinvent yourself and learn new things. Start with educating yourself the best you can and find something that you can work with at the level you are at that time.
Don't be afraid to try......the only reason you wont is because your listening to the wrong voices in your head..
Check with your parents......but I'm pretty sure the hand book they were given when you were born was blank in the chapter "things you cant achieve."
If something is added to the list......throw it out
Here are a few pics of mydifferent rides back in the day and they were what I could afford and had ability to fix at the time. Last pic was the most work! :lol:
As a relative noob to the hot rod world, I know where you are coming from.
If you really want to get started in this world, I have an idea...
Before you start planning on building a car, you may want to dismantle one first. You could pick up an old banger for a few hundred bucks, ANYTHING at all, even a CIVIC!!, lol.
You then start to strip it down, selling parts on Ebay/Kijiji as you go. Every time you sell a part, buy another tool. This will help you understand how a car is put together without worrying about the end result. If a part is too rusty to come apart with a wrench you just cut that sucker out. This will remind you to keep things lubricated
You will be amazed at the amount of times you will find yourself saying "ahhhhh, that's why...." etc etc.
And once you have stripped and sold as much as you can, you will have a nice big lump of metal to take to the scrap and get more money. You really can't lose out finacially. I once bought a Mazda MX5 (Miata) for 90 pounds, and sold all the parts for 1500. I'm not saying make a business out of it, as the neighbours start getting a bit snippy, but it's a great boost to your parts pile and cash pile.
Petrolheads are a pretty tight community, and you will find that as soon as you start something, you will suddenly have a lot of help and support.
As a relative noob to the hot rod world, I know where you are coming from.
If you really want to get started in this world, I have an idea...
Before you start planning on building a car, you may want to dismantle one first. You could pick up an old banger for a few hundred bucks, ANYTHING at all, even a CIVIC!!, lol.
You then start to strip it down, selling parts on Ebay/Kijiji as you go. Every time you sell a part, buy another tool. This will help you understand how a car is put together without worrying about the end result. If a part is too rusty to come apart with a wrench you just cut that sucker out. This will remind you to keep things lubricated
You will be amazed at the amount of times you will find yourself saying "ahhhhh, that's why...." etc etc.
And once you have stripped and sold as much as you can, you will have a nice big lump of metal to take to the scrap and get more money. You really can't lose out finacially. I once bought a Mazda MX5 (Miata) for 90 pounds, and sold all the parts for 1500. I'm not saying make a business out of it, as the neighbours start getting a bit snippy, but it's a great boost to your parts pile and cash pile.
Petrolheads are a pretty tight community, and you will find that as soon as you start something, you will suddenly have a lot of help and support.
Never too late to start
for a moment you had me on the 90 pounds part, those mazdas weigh more then that i thought, but i then realized, england. the first custom car i ever had was my first car i ever had, a 1984 escort wagon, flat black with spraybomb flame job on the front. i was rat rodding back in the ninties as well but i didnt know it.
all I would add to the above excellent advice given from all the above all money will get you is a car.notice I said get not build any one with the means can catalog build a car.dont misunderstand there are some items you will need from catalogs.but if you truly want to feel satisfaction with something you can truly stand back and say I did that my way.also if anyone asks you something about your build you can now answer without any hesitation I did this and that.when they ask how you will know without saying I had this built by so and so this by someone else.if they are real car people they will just nod to them selves yah ok.read read and read some more try to find a club in your area.if you show interest I am sure if you are not a know it all but one that watches and asks intelligent questions they will take you under their wing and you will gain knowledge that money will never provide.the one thing today is modern cars do not have a lot to offer in the way of things that you need to build your car.most modern cars have computers abs traction control on and on.all of this you will not probably work on without a diagnostic machine.I started with a 1/2" and 9/16" wrench and a bfh my brother and I pulled a motor right on the street in 1962 with these and a piece of 4x4 bear in mind that was then.today I have 6 big tool boxes bought tools one or two at a time from sears ctc etc.now you can buy full sets when on sale and lifetime warranty from ctc buy when you can afford I dont believe that you can have too many tools.dont try to buy all at once it has taken me over 50 years I am sure that goes for most on here.if you want to learn on a post 80s car you will need metric tools so you need to base your choice of tools based on needs at time.as you get involved with older cars you dont need a great deal of tools as they are pretty basic as you will find.a very important thing you will need is patience.not everything you attempt will go as easy as it looks in books some guy named murphy wrote a eye opening book on that subject I think he was a lawyer or judge.never be afraid to ask for advice bearing in mind we all have our ways of doing things so you will get 10 different answers choose one and try if it does not work try a different one.every one approaches things in a different way and sometimes we forget little things we do without thinking in solving a problem by not including it in our answers to questions.things we take for a given when you ask may lead to some smart assed answer dont be discouraged.when a lot of us started there was no internet to aid us most if not all learned from trying to do things. not all things worked but you learned a world of do and do not may and may not but try .just because no one has done it does not mean it can not be done if it works now you can really take pride in the fact you did do it.now if some one asked you can share what you learned and help them.what ever you do go into it with an open mind.I prefer restored cars myself but appreciate all things automotive so dont look down on peoples choice of cars as they are all powered by gas and passion.I restored my car by myself a complete frame off and I mean complete down to taking every thing apart clock radio etc.I also built winning race cars all self taught.not too bad for a 15 year old drop out I dont say that to be vain just to show you it can be done just not in a day.remember ask watch read and you will learn.the knowledge you gain will stay with you for life.if once you try and decide you find it overwhelming and more than you thought.put it behind you and get on with life content in knowing you tried not everyone is cut out for this hobby no shame at least you know you tried.if you dont try you will always wonder what if or I should have but did not too many people do that and lead a lousy existence NOT LIFE.I wish you luck no matter what you attempt
WOW! Thx for all those words of encouragement my fellow rodders! It helps put my mind at ease a little knowing some of your stories..and the time it took.etc...
Janice- I am actually 33....but I still feel like a 20 y/o. :P Hopefully that never changes too!!
Dave- that part about the beater to dismantle is brilliant!! I didn't think of that before, and I love the idea of parting out a car, to buy the tools I need and the real parts I want for the eventual rat rod pick up that I dream about!!
Larry- I think that'd work for me just fine too! (I love the avatar pic, are those yours?)
Fatstax- as the sayin goes....share the wealth.....so wanna?!?! ahahaha jk (maybe)...
Well I think this is the year I 're-invent' myself...and start being a grease monkey, gearhead, hotrodder! I cant wait to get my hands dirty!!
i find that often the few carry the many in places like that and the many ruin it for all in the end
Yeah sorry but I disagree. I spent a career in there as a tradesman and it was the many that carried the few, and the few that caused problems, garnished all the attention, and ruined it for others.
Management and union equally.
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There is a very fine line between “hobby” and “mental illness.”
in his {Stax}defense never having met the man I do not think what he said was aimed at GM my father also died from work related disease different times.I got from what he said was that money will not be the only means to doing something you desire.I also turned down very good paying jobs my choice.I think I will google a reader check to broaden my ability to read into some of the posts I read.funny what people read into some statements.
I can assure you that his comments were aimed specifically at GM workers, and not Auto workers in general.
Chance- I have been building cars as a hobby for 40+ years so I can identify with what you are going thru.I once sat down and calculated how much time it took to build a car from scratch and came out with about 2000 hrs. That's not finished paint or upholstery. Not everyone can justify that kind of commitment. Some people love the build and never get their car on the road. Some others just buy and sell.Others just let it sit for years and never do anything. You have to decide what YOU want out of the hobby. Theres nothing wrong with buying something inexpensive and running and working on it in the driveway just to get into it. Lots of us started like that! Theres lots of help on this sight-don't give up on your dreams!
i find that often the few carry the many in places like that and the many ruin it for all in the end
Yeah sorry but I disagree. I spent a career in there as a tradesman and it was the many that carried the few, and the few that caused problems, garnished all the attention, and ruined it for others.
Management and union equally.
Don't you just love the drivel that comes out of people, and how they know the internal workings of a company without even having stepped a foot in the door !! My favorite comment is about the Uncle that couldn't wait to get out, but yet spent 39 years in there !! I'm going to laugh for hours on that one !!
Too bad Chance's thread got side tracked by an idiotic comment.
-- Edited by hemi43 on Tuesday 11th of March 2014 07:38:29 PM
Chance....sorry to hijack your post but sometimes thing that are said hit close to the heart and we have to vent...unfortunately it's in your post......sorry bud.
i always did things the hard way, accumulate stuff over time, wheel and deal, trade up and down. having a good paying job does help alot i will say, after all my nickname is fatstax. i find easier to do things now that money is less of an object but i certainley earned every cent i made in life, no GM job or government handout job. i find you appreciate things more in life when you arent paid 30 bucks an hour for unskilled labour or simply showing up for work every day.
Do you ever read your posts ?? You gave yourself the username "Fatstax" because of all the money you have?? You're kidding, right? That is friggin hylarious !! All along I thought it was because Stax was a nickname and you were fat !!That's funny !!
There's probably one of two reasons why you have a hate on for GM workers. Either you're jealous that they were hired there and you weren't, or you couldn't pass the aptitude test needed to become a Tradesman there. My guess is the second reason !!
I'm also going to give you a bit of advice since money is not so much of an object. When you go out in public, wear clean clothes without looking like you just crawled out of under a greasy bus. People may respect you a little bit better. Also, enough with the "Gangsta" crap, you're a middle aged white Guy.
Looking forward to your next post trying to backpeddle out of this one !!
now that you took the bait, u moron, listen up. I don't bag on tradesmen, I know people who installed wiper arms at gm for 30 years then lost their jobs and thanks to being a line worker with no skills they cant even work a 12 dollar an hour job. I would never want to work at a place that would have the potential to screw your life up once the job dried up. and for your info I am a 4th class engineer, a tssa certified welder and the maintenance manager at the company I work, of which we have never needed government bail outs to keep operating. what do you do for a living jabba?
Thx Steve! That is a gorgeous gasser(?) ya got there!! I think I wanna be in it for life, but have many projects, some running, some driving, some parting, some practicing...but regardless, I don't care what it is....as long as im doin it!!!
I know some who have worked on their projects for 10 plus years and still are, some do love the build more than the drive. I have a guy i know who has been building a Porsche for 14 years and I don't think it will ever get done, not perfect enough he says. I think hes a bit looney, he drives around with a parrot on his shoulder but no eye patch thankfully
-- Edited by fatstax on Tuesday 11th of March 2014 08:03:57 PM
The auto industry takes the heat but hydro or any really good paying job is open for critism in these economic times.I don't mind that some chose to work for compnays that pay well or worked ideas or talents that payed off. Where the problems start is the fact that a loaf of bread or a liter of gas or a unit of hydro is priced for the ones making the most money.It is not priced for the ones making minimum wage or only getting a few hours a week.In these times or even back say 20yrs some made way more than others .There is nothing more infuriating to a minimum wage earner than hearing a person with a really good paying job complaning about how expensive everything is .The higher wage earners pay the same as the lower wage earners .If the higher wage earners can't afford there lifestyles then they are either fools or so greedy for toys that they have wasted those earning years. There is nothing more pathetic than to hear someone who has had the highest paying job in the province whining about how hard things are. I know a guy who workss for hydro in Clarrington who loves to tell everyone about how his union has made the compnay pay double and tripple time for 4to6hours when he is called in even if he is sent home cause the job is cancled. Everyone just thinks what an ass when 5min later he is complaning about the payments on the second new truck he baught this year(the kid needed something to run back and forth to school with).Do I resent people making good money,no, they probably earned it,what I do resent is people with good jobs pretending to be hard hit ,when if they spent there money wisely would be in a good position.I know some here have said in the past posts that everyone had the same oppertunity to get good gobs so quit whining, that may be true but I will add that those with the good jobs should not be whining either as they have been ahead of the curve all along and should be in very good shape if they had handled there money wisely . Ed
It is kinda awkward to be involved in this argument....maybe you guys can start a new post...and fight it out there....or just meet in person and have one out.....settle it once and for all......or just shake hands, admit that no ones right and that everyone lives with the choices they make, good or bad....
It is kinda awkward to be involved in this argument....maybe you guys can start a new post...and fight it out there....or just meet in person and have one out.....settle it once and for all......or just shake hands, admit that no ones right and that everyone lives with the choices they make, good or bad....
or just meet in person and have one out.....settle it once and for all......
I actually like the sound of that, except that will get you jail time these days
Janice, I would love to find someone close by that has the time and patience to show me the ropes!! Unfortunately I haven't yet...but I'm always looking in the driveways, and fields on my daily drives to jobs....figures crossed!
Ennismore is not that far from Newcastle. Next time you're nearby, drop in. I have no idea what your skill set is, but if you want to know something that pertains to machining or fabricating I'd be more than happy to help.
That's right up my alley!! I don't want a trailer queen, I love the odd ball pieced together, rusty, unique rods like what yours is turning out to be!
There is a slick pick up in a CHR collecters addition with El Torro, that looked like Frankenstiens ride...or like it was a zombie rod....said info "unknown"....too bad tho....but man do I love the way he highlighted his welds....work of mobile art!
What do you drive now Maybe you could start by adding some chrome accessories.Even a little change in trim could be fun .My daughters boyfriend saw how much fun The boy and I were having that he started fixing up his GrandAm.He added a little highlight colour to the emblims and scoops and it looked great.There are lots of cool cars that you could pick up cheap that wouldn't brake the bank to start with .I saw a S10 someware that was lowered and had the front end pulled off like a ratrod .Open engine some sheet metal covers a set of swap meet headlights and a grill from a compresser or something like that .It is not a contest its a hobby work with what you have or can afford, and learn.When I started I didn't know anything about cars or anyone who did.I had to drive so I had to learn ,no internet back then. Everything was learned out of books or by asking everyone I could find . Hung out at the local service station and asked a lot of questions . Luckely there was a local hot rod club that were willing to answer questions as well .The help is out there but you have to be willing to search it out and start with an easy project.Now a days pretty much anything is fair game for rodding,80s trucks seam to be plentiful and cheap and look cool when fixed up.Just try something and you my be surprized how it turns out. Ed
Yup, its a gasser-2yr build from scratch-nights,weekends,holidays-loved every minute(well,most of it) Runs a blown 350\350 with 9in .Doing the interior this winter-like they say,they're never finished!
hahaha ya I think so too! I wasn't really kidding about being a photographer....but I would still wanna build a rod. I see now that I just gotta start putting a few bucks a paycheck away, and maybe start that way building my dream into a reality...
hey you don't need an expensive collector car to build a super cool ride , all you do need is a decent quality mig welder (Lincoln or Miller and 22volt) and a 4-1/2 grinder and loads of ideas ! .....check this out .