Thx Poncho, and thx for cleanin up my thread! I thought you'd come in with your broom and silk, and make things right again! And thx for this forum/page....it is a huge help...already and I just begun!

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Chance...I have been messing with old cars for 50 years....helping my dad fix his VWs....got my own at 16. I have never had any money, so as a few of the others, wheeled, dealed, traded and did all my own work. I have most of the tools I need, built up over many years....Just keep plugging away at it, you will get there

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 hey .....are you me !? that describes my life to a T !!  

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hahhaha know of anyone with a mig for sale? cheap!? heheh whats a good brand?

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 Millar or Lincoln are excellent, Crapy tire is selling a $700 Lincoln mig for $499 this week ! make sure you get a 220v mig if you can , they are 100% better than 110 and cost less to use .....DONT buy a Mastercraft mig ....the wire feed system is terrible . If you buy a used mig be carefull they can be a nightwear if thet have been abused ....my two cents , buy new . saying that I stick weld every thing but not body work !

 

 

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hahhaha know of anyone with a mig for sale? cheap!? heheh whats a good brand?

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 Millar or Lincoln are excellent, Crapy tire is selling a $700 Lincoln mig for $499 this week ! make sure you get a 220v mig if you can , they are 100% better than 110 and cost less to use .....DONT buy a Mastercraft mig ....the wire feed system is terrible . If you buy a used mig be carefull they can be a nightwear if thet have been abused ....my two cents , buy new . saying that I stick weld every thing but not body work !

 

 

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you got that right chopp, arc is an art form and the ONLY way to weld anything proper, mig gets used where it belongs at my shop, on the sheet metal 

Stick welding was the one thing that I was good at when I did do it. back in the day. so it sounds like I need one of those first, so I can actually BUILD the rod first....
Ed, ya I do enjoy the outdoors...but I like the idea of having all your stuff contained and dry..

glad to see this got fixed and back on topic.now I have a problem when it started slipping off I ran to the store cleaned them out of popcorn.what the hell come back to civil conversation and on topic.I will save it for next episode of as the car world turns.you can now see how people on here respond and try to help you once we get our meds.see as how you asked about a welder I agree with the 220 but bear in mind you will need too run 220 into your garage adding to your expenses.most of my welding on the chassis was with a 110.the cages I tacked most pieces welded some then used 220 at a friends for the rest.never had a weld give you would not believe some of the hits they took raced for 16 years with them.I taught myself probably would not have passed certification or beauty contest but was for me and my sons.and they were safe.I guess what I am saying dont blow bankroll over buying.I actually gas welded most when I started before buying mig.I would advise an auto dark helmet I can not count how many times I flashed myself I have yet to experience any thing worse.christ my podium just started creakingI leave you in good make that exellent hands.Barry

Well the 110 would suit me more, as I only have two 220s, ones for my oven, and the other is for my dryer...
I would love to get my hands on a stick welder, nothing fancy, just something I can fart around with and practice. but then again, those are 22o as well aren't they? Do they have extension cords that can handle that amperage?

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Well the 110 would suit me more, as I only have two 220s, ones for my oven, and the other is for my dryer...
I would love to get my hands on a stick welder, nothing fancy, just something I can fart around with and practice. but then again, those are 22o as well aren't they? Do they have extension cords that can handle that amperage?

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 Unfortunately, the dryer plug and the oven both have dedicated outlets rated at a certain amperage, and each have unique receptacles. Welders use a 220v 50amp circuit and also have a unique receptacle. If you have room in your panel, is actually quite easy to run a 220v 50amp circuit to your garage. They do sell extension cords at Princess Auto. They're 20 ft long but have welder receptacles on both ends, so it still wont be much help to you. Don't waste your time on a 110v mig.IMO

where do you find beauties like the one in your avatar?

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where do you find beauties like the one in your avatar?

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 My avatar?? It was a fluke finding it, but it doesn't look like that anymore !! 

Hemi I love your sense of humur uh mer mor more bloody speel check you know what I mean.I have to take back what I said about the weatherman he said there was a storm coming earlier today.dam if he was not right thought he meant outdoors then as this post progressed the air got so thick I thought he was right.I called jerry springer invited him to moderate he wanted nothing to do with it.so much for reality journalism.bloody coward.sorry to wander off Chance but you have to agree you cant even get this on cable.meds are kicking in good night mrs. calabash

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where do you find beauties like the one in your avatar?

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 Are you blind. That's not a beauty it's

  a friggin old Dodge that escaped the crusher some how

Oh yeah Hemi rescued it  LMAO 

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sorry, your pic. :P so is it a secret location stumbled upon on a road trip gone wrong, lost in the sticks, on a back road, in a barn...from an old lady...hahaha so whats it look like now?

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 It was sitting beside a major road about 2 miles from where I worked. Right place , right time I guess !! Originally from Saskatchewan, so it was as rust free as an Arizona car. 100% built at home including paint,and this is the first car I ever built. Read lots of books, ask a lot of questions, and have a final vision in your head before starting your build. If you break it down into small pieces and don't get over whelmed, it's really not that difficult.

Here's a before and after;

 

-- Edited by hemi43 on Wednesday 12th of March 2014 10:42:03 AM

 Somewhat fitting for this tread

Second Quarto (italicized).

To be, or not to be, that is the question—
Whether 'tis Nobler in the mind to suffer
The Slings and Arrows of outrageous Fortune,
Or to take Arms against a Sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them? To die, to sleep—
No more; and by a sleep, to say we end
The Heart-ache, and the thousand Natural shocks
That Flesh is heir to? 'Tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wished. To die, to sleep,
To sleep, perchance to Dream; Aye, there's the rub,
For in that sleep of death, what dreams may come,
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause. There's the respect
That makes Calamity of so long life:
For who would bear the Whips and Scorns of time,
The Oppressor's wrong, the proud man's Contumely,
The pangs of despised Love, the Law’s delay,
The insolence of Office, and the Spurns
That patient merit of the unworthy takes,
When he himself might his Quietus make
With a bare Bodkin? Who would Fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscovered Country, from whose bourn
No Traveler returns, Puzzles the will,
And makes us rather bear those ills we have,
Than fly to others that we know not of.
Thus Conscience does make Cowards of us all,
And thus the Native hue of Resolution
Is sicklied o'er, with the pale cast of Thought,
And enterprises of great pitch and moment,
With this regard their Currents turn awry,
And lose the name of Action. Soft you now,
The fair Ophelia? Nymph, in thy Orisons
Be all my sins remembered

Chance, before you start buying welders, have a look at taking a night school welding class. Is there a community college near you? Anyone can buy a cheap MIG and stick 2 pieces of metal together, but a course will teach you some basics and force you to do a lot of practice.

HI CHANCE : Hang in there and keep your dream --- How old is too old ??? --- I'm one of the newbies that just recently signed up . If you look at the '51 Chev Fleetline on my avatar , you will read where it is a 90 % D-I-Y project ( me ) . I started it when I was 60 yrs of age and it is the first ( and only ) car I have ever done . It was pretty tough looking when I dragged it home -- But , 12 years later ( really a 5 yr job )it's almost done -- You can have " Your Own Car " too , by quietly going for it . . I did not put the paint on , but it was paint-ready and painted in my own garage , I did not install the new glass and the headliner will be put in by a professional. Most of the rest , I had to learn- it- to- do- it .
I must have bought every used " How-to " car mag at the flea markets and yellow-tagged the special articles , which by now have been re-read many times --- Stay in touch with this site and the great people in it and DON'T LET GO OF YOUR DREAM --- Remeber one thing --- " Wisdom comes from the Journey , Not the Destination !!!! --- HANG IN THERE -- LATER --- DON

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 Somewhat fitting for this tread

Second Quarto (italicized).

This is either waaaaayy too deep for us or complete fragmented jibberish.

Please advise.......

So does anyone have any specific readings (Titles, years,etc) that would be available and helpful to know how to build a hotrod from ground up?
Tear down to rebuild? like chopping up frames, different styles for different looks, etc? Or if anyone would be willing to lend me some....I can be trusted to return them...
Also just any good reads/books/manuals that would help me understand cars from like the 20s to the 60's? I'd maily love something 20s-40s to build...but you know what they say about beggers..
thx

Sure is a flowery way to say, just do it.By the way what the hell is a bare Bodkin or a Fardel. Ed

I liken Hot Rods/ Cars to music; there are certain rules that apply. When these are fully understood,it doesn't matter how you make it;that's what makes it Your OWN.

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So does anyone have any specific readings (Titles, years,etc) that would be available and helpful to know how to build a hotrod from ground up?
Tear down to rebuild? like chopping up frames, different styles for different looks, etc? Or if anyone would be willing to lend me some....I can be trusted to return them...
Also just any good reads/books/manuals that would help me understand cars from like the 20s to the 60's? I'd maily love something 20s-40s to build...but you know what they say about beggers..
thx

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 I have a couple books here you could borrow. I'll post the titles later when I go to the shop.

Id like to recommend...go to as many car shows, cruise nights and swap meets as possible. The more you listen and learn, the more you will know and get a better grasp on what you want to buy,build and make.
Perhaps starting out with a newer car than 40's 50's you mentioned beause of cost.
Another alternative is buying something near completion and thinkering with it for a couple years to get the hang of things.
When I was really young. About 10. My family member was into cars. I can not remember a time I wasn't in the garage offering to help, hand tools out, offer any help or do the job completely while supervised. I never once had to be asked to come help. I was always there. Come to think of it. He got paid for all those "barn jobs" while I did all the work...but anyway, what it taught me was knowledge. No stupid question to ask only stupid answers. Being a walking sponge I took in as much as I could. First rule was safety, then knowing tools. Rule of thumb was if you have to borrow a tool more than 3x. Buy it. If its a tool to use everyday, buy quality. If its once a year. Cheap is fine of thats all you can afford. Safety safety safety is what I teach my son now. Clean and return tools and know them. You will get to the point of looking at a bolt head and knowing its a 1/2 inch wrench/socket etc. You in time will also know that certain makes use same parts on alot of models.
Hitting up local cruise nights, car shows, swap meets you will learn so much. I still learn everyday. I know guys that have forgotten in 1 day what I have learned in a life time so far.
Its a learning curve and is fun...some days. Surround yourself with people willing to give you the time not arrogant know it alls who think their car is the best,fastest and their sh*t don't stink and that anyone elses car isn't good enough to be there.
The best knowledge I have learned is usually trying to do stuff myself or pulling parts at the autowrecker. You see how it comes apart and knowing how it works is key.
I do not profess to be a mechanic, know it all. I am just true car guy who enjoys the hobby. I hate paying anyone to do stuff I can do so I try myself. 1st rule I taught my son wit his HotRod. Make it safe first. Then worry about how pretty it is or how fast it goes. Brakes, steering etc all have to be perfect before you even think about HP.

My 2 cents...go for a car that visually excites you. If you buy a POS because its cheap but ugly, you won't want to wrench on it. Stay with the common stuff at first. As overdone as some cars may be, a 50's, 60's or 70's Chev will be cheap to build as most parts are readily available and interchangeable, and, so many guys have wrenched on them over the decades, there is a lot of expertise and experience to be had from them.
Immerse yourself as much as you can (without upsetting the family unit) with magazines, papers like Old Autos, websites like this one, swap meets, car shows and cruise nights. You'll find that as long as you are eager and genuine, 95% of the car owners are more than happy to talk about their cars with you.
When I started out, if I needed a tool I bought it. One by one. Where possible I bought only quality tools. These days the 1,000 piece "mechanic's kit" for $59.00 in the flyer looks like a bargain but don't be fooled. Stuff like that is fine to toss in the trunk as an emergency kit but that's about it.
NEVER be afraid to ask for help.
(That might have been 4 cents worth.)

Hemi resides in the center of the universe , but I will let him tell

you where that is!!! LOL