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LINDSAY, ONT

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hey Boys

with the warmer weather the motivation is picking up a little

not 100% sure what route I'm heading yet but here's some pics



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LINDSAY, ONT

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a few more



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last of them



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Your options are many.
Very similar to mine

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"not 100% sure what route I'm heading yet"
the big secret is to enjoy the trip-good luck

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hey all

it looks like my car has the original engine in it
I am going by the way the engine number is stamped on the vin tag on the firewall

would this increase the value ?
or should I tear into it and beef it up ?

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Derek,this only my opinion if you want to go original thats cool, but its what you want is the most important, do you want to to restomod,hodrod,stock, but make it safe, consider the roads you have to drive on...jim

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trust me I have plans to make a rat out of it
I'm just not sure of the 30 era and if the vin plate with the engine code on it held any value
even though I'm ratting it I still have a love for the old cars and wouldn't want to screw one up that had value


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LINDSAY, ONT

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that's better


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thanks fella

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That is not the original engine. Pontiacs had a flathead 6 back then.
That's an overhead 6 ,looks like it could be a 216, can't tell from the pics.

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sasquatch wrote:

That is not the original engine. Pontiacs had a flathead 6 back then.
That's an overhead 6 ,looks like it could be a 216, can't tell from the pics.


 I'm thinking if it made in Canada it would be the same as chevy- gmc trucks Assembled on the same line with a few body panel changes similar to the mid 50s Canadian pontiacs that came with the 261 because the 8 wasn't available in canada.His post on the engine serial number and location puts the engine as a 37 .  



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Slim, any of them i ever seen and there was lots around , all had flatheads. But i could be wrong.

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I have had a couple of Canadian Pontiacs the 48 and 3 different 52s all had flathead 6s. The 56 was indeed built on a Chev platform fully 8ins shorter and narrower than the American Pontiacs I don't know what engine it had origionally as I bought it already rodded with a 350 and 4 gear . Ed

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LINDSAY, ONT

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heres a pic of my vin plate with the same engine code

that's all I was going on

I could be wrong IMG-20140310-00964.jpgIMG-20140310-00965.jpg



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Don't know for sure Derek, and Ed the 56 would have had a 261 inline. (if it was a 6 before.)

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on a side note

 

anyone know what this white wire does IMG-20140315-00975.jpgbiggrin



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Starter button,cigar lighter,optional radio? Ed

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NORTH BAY, ONT

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Under the dash so i'm guessing same as ED cigar/cigarette lighter? Did they have that then?

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lights choke and ignition
but it was more less a joke
its actually not to bad under there they have coloured arrows on them to help out and there isn't a whole lot to wire


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On Friday evening when I first looked at the picture of the 37 Pontiac, I noticed it had an overhead valve engine in it and I thought that was odd. So I googled Canadian Pontiacs and an overhead valve engine was used in a 37 Pontiac and it was the same engine that was used in a GMC truck.

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Flathead 6 in mine.

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janies dirty 37 wrote:

Flathead 6 in mine.

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 Is your car a Pontiac or an Oldsmobile? The engine code letter seems to be different on both cars also.



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history.gmheritagecenter.com/wiki/index.php/Canada_Only_General_Motors_Cars


Quote from the article.

"Pontiac had the most Canada only versions. It was the same as its U.S. counterpart from 1926 until 1937, when the Model 224 was introduced with a 224-cubic inch Chevrolet engine."





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Seems to be a 216 with a 3 9/16? and aluminum pistons here is what i found

However the engine that you have appears to have a casting date code of G-5-7, which suggests July 5th 1937 and therefore a 1937 unit. Candian 1937 Chevrolet engines ran: 

R, C, CR, T or TR as the case may be: 
# 64,201 � 114,000 
172,001 - 172,550 
1,248,501 - 1,248,600 
658,000 - 668,000 
1,053,000 - 1,056,000 

It just happens that I know of a cylinder head in New Zealand cast that same day! The 1937 early Canadian cylinder head was casting # 838355 and the blocks casting # 838101 which I believe is a US number from memory and the unique McKinnon Industries, St Catherines, foundry # 1788201. The block casting date suggest 1937, and the engine # fits in the known 1937 series as well. It cannot have come from a 1937 Canadian Pontiac as they used either the US Pontiac engine or the first of the 224 units, prefixed 'W' for 'Walkerville', oh all right, 'Windsor' but I prefer the original name! The Series 37-26 Six engines ran # W15881 - W22916. The same engine, in 'Truck' form was also used in GMC T-14/16 and F-16 trucks. 



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Wow, interesting,, never knew that, and have never seen one!!!

Derek , i'd be checking into this car a bit farther, just in case, can't be very many of these cars left around.
So, if i understand this,, was 37 the only year they used this engine? (Does it run??)

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It never fails to amaze me how much information is out there.Funny how much we all can learn as a post grows. Ed

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Its an Olds.



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It never fails to amaze me how much information is out there.Funny how much we all can learn as a post grows. Ed


 That's why it pays to do lots of research online from reputable sites. Too many eager posters giving out false information because they don't know everything.



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hemi43 wrote:
flatblack55delivery wrote:

It never fails to amaze me how much information is out there.Funny how much we all can learn as a post grows. Ed


 That's why it pays to do lots of research online from reputable sites. Too many eager posters giving out false information because they don't know everything.


 Could you forward a link to your site as we all know you are never wrong biggrinbiggrinbiggrin .... The 224 ran from 37-40 so no it wasn't a one year motor. Odd and rare but still not worth a lot . I will have to check on the specs because the bore seems to be the same as the 235 shorter stroke ?



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holy hell boys

this is what I'm talking about, this info is awesome, how ever holding me up on really tearing in, could have a gem or could have true rat material
it doesn't run but it is free and everything is there, and ya its a Pontiac
you guys are amazing

does anyone know a reputable place I could call to find out more information about it

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I don't have a link for you , but there has to be a canadian Pontiac forum, a collectors group on the net, there seems to be for everything else.

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You can try over at Canadian Poncho...Canadian Poncho ... AS I said engine will be of little interest to most and are expensive to rebuild properly. But if you can find someone thats interested thats great as it would be a shame to see it melted down and turned to chinese junk . 

 



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janies dirty 37 wrote:

Its an Olds.


 Janice, Six cylinder Oldsmobile engines in that time period were flatheads. Back then all the divisions of General Motors had there own unique engines for the most part and generally they were all different.



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Derek if your ever cobourg way give me a call. i have a gm parts book that covers from 37 to 51 and has all the numbers for your car. i don't have a scanner but we can work something out.

your numbers come up as a pontiac "224".

7 in the model denotes canadian pontiac and the series 26 is a 6 cylinder and 19 is a sedan

first year for the 6 valve in head with a bore and stroke of 3 9/16 x 3 3/4 with a S.A.E. HP of 30.50



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Derek, great project, will be interesting to follow this since so close to mine. Seems to be as rusty as mine as well so be prepared to spend quite a lot of time on that.

I don't think that the engine choice makes much difference to the value of the car if not a hemi or other special 8 cyl. I keep the original flathead 6 for now, and even if decide to go with v8 later will store the original engine.

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