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Can aluminum be welded to steel? The answer might surprise you.



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With friction welding?


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Welded or soldered? I would say no, but I'm sure I'm wrong or else you wouldn't have posted the question.

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I know of a process where copper is bonded to aluminum to make battery plates using an explosive charge.  that's two non ferrous metals.  never heard of steel being welded to aluminum, glued or bonded through some other means maybe. 



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We made a bottle opener, in HS machine shop, out of steel and Aluminum. It wasn't welded (as per say). But it was fused, in that it was friction heated together.

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I heard this, watching a video on the building of the huge cruise ships. The hulls are steel for strength but after the 5th floor or so, they switch to aluminum. They want to be bottom heavy because some have 15 or more floors.

 

So they said they use a process where they meld a sheet of aluminum to a sheet of steel by causing an explosion  between them. They then end up with a sheet that can be welded to steel on one side and aluminum on the other. There was a name for the explosion but I forget it. They didn't go into that part in detail but I envisioned some kind of thin dynamite sheet sandwitched between the two and ignited.

 

 

Hinterlands what's what.

 

I know, I know some will say it's called something other than welding. but I got your attention



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The Cragar S/S wheels were a cast aluminum centre welded to a steel rim and then the whole wheel was chromed- were they not?

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Friction welding is one method.....

Q: Can I weld aluminum to steel with the GMAW or GTAW welding process?

A: While aluminum can be joined to most other metals relatively easily by adhesive bonding or mechanical fastening, special techniques are required if it is to be arc welded to other metals such as steel. Very brittle intermetallic compounds are formed when metals such as steel, copper, magnesium or titanium are directly arc welded to aluminum. To avoid these brittle compounds, some special techniques have been developed to isolate the other metal from the molten aluminum during the arc welding process. The two most common methods of facilitating arc welding of aluminum to steel are bimetallic transition inserts and coating the dissimilar material prior to welding.

Bimetallic Transition Inserts: Bimetallic transition materials are available commercially in combinations of aluminum to such other materials as steel, stainless steel and copper. These inserts are best described as sections of material that are comprised of one part aluminum with another material already bonded to the aluminum. The method used for bonding these dissimilar materials together, and thus forming the bimetallic transition, are usually rolling, explosion welding, friction welding, flash welding or hot pressure welding, and not arc welding. The arc welding of these steel aluminum transition inserts can be performed by the normal arc welding methods such as GMAW or GTAW. One side of the insert is welded steel-to-steel and the other aluminum-to-aluminum. Care should be taken to avoid overheating the inserts during welding, which may cause growth of brittle intermetallic compounds at the steel-aluminum interface of the transition insert. It is good practice to perform the aluminum-to-aluminum weld first. In this way, we can provide a larger heat sink when the steel-to-steel welding is performed and help prevent the steel aluminum interface from overheating. The bimetallic transition insert is a popular method of joining aluminum to steel and is often used for producing welded connections of excellent quality within structural applications. Such applications as attaching aluminum deckhouses to steel decks on ships, for tube sheets in heat exchangers that have aluminum tubing with steel or stainless steel tube sheets, and for producing arc welded joints between aluminum and steel pipe lines.


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Fordy Acres Car Farm wrote:

The Cragar S/S wheels were a cast aluminum centre welded to a steel rim and then the whole wheel was chromed- were they not?


 Not sure about the Cragar rims, but more than likely the aluminum was cast right to the steel rim.

Along the same line, but different, brake rotors are made this way. The part that gets bolted between the rim and hub is stamped from mild steel, and then the cast iron is poured around the stamping to make it an integral part. 



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Just waiting for slim to give us the real deal,,

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Cragar use's inserts In the hub then friction weld them to the rim. US patente  4363521

 

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Others use the bimetallic transition strips here is some others if you care to find out

E PATENTES
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US3506311 *6 Jun 196814 Abr 1970Motor Wheel CorpVehicle wheel
US4190297 *25 Sep 197826 Feb 1980Swiss Aluminium Ltd.Wheel for air or gas filled tires for motor vehicles
US4363347 *31 Oct 197914 Dic 1982Bbs-Kraftfahrzeugtechnik GmbhMotor vehicle wheel
US4363521 *7 Ago 198014 Dic 1982Cragar Industries Inc.Wheel disc offset attachment to wheel rim
US5257455 *25 Mar 19922 Nov 1993Central Motor Wheel Company LimitedMethod of making a two-piece/full face sheet metal disk wheel
US5421642 *27 Ene 19946 Jun 1995Hayes Wheels International, Inc.Bimetal full face wheel
US5526977 *15 Dic 199418 Jun 1996Hayes Wheels International, Inc.Method for fabricating a bimetal vehicle wheel
EP0096399A2 *4 Jun 198321 Dic 1983Stahlschmidt & Maiworm GmbH & Co.KGLight metal vehicle rim
CITADA POR
Patente citanteFecha de presentaciónFecha de publicaciónSolicitanteTítulo
US6626503 *31 May 200230 Sep 2003Hayes Lemmerz International, Inc.Fabricated vehicle wheel
US720139823 Oct 200210 Abr 2007Dana CorporationOffset joint between structural members in a vehicle frame assembly to facilitate a coating process
US20090188206 *19 Ago 200830 Jul 2009Israel StolSystem and method for joining dissimilar materials
US20120086264 *12 Oct 201012 Abr 2012Gm Global Technology Operations, Inc.Bimetallic casting
WO2003037653A1 *29 Oct 20018 May 2003Hiper Technology IncEnergy-absorbing flexible polymer vehicle wheel
WO2010067383A1 *24 Nov 200817 Jun 2010Ruotemilano S.R.L.Wheel for a tubeless tyre


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Fordy Acres Car Farm wrote:

The Cragar S/S wheels were a cast aluminum centre welded to a steel rim and then the whole wheel was chromed- were they not?


I had a close look once at the way they connect those wheel centers, they press the aluminum center into the steel rim, then weld a bead to hold the center in place, they don't actually weld them together 



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