flea market trailer

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

flea market trailer

sasquatch · NORTH BAY, ONT

Great Rob, hope that works out good for you, certainly sounds like a plan to me!!

poncho62 · ADMINISTRATOR

Might need to beef the frame up a bit.

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

actually its pretty stout so it should be ok, its a 2 by 4 inch tubing frame, I was surprised.

sasquatch · NORTH BAY, ONT

The frame strength will depend on how many women you have in there at one time!!

janies dirty 37 · SOUTH RIVER, ONT

Oh damn Ray. lol

flatblack55delivery · PORT HOPE, ONT

Ray have you seen some of those fleamarket babes. Just the one would probably kill him and the trailer. Ed

shag766 · FOXBORO, ONT

flatblack55delivery wrote:
Ray have you seen some of those fleamarket babes. Just the one would probably kill him and the trailer. Ed

thats right up there with getting cows in a barn with a bingo sign. lol

sasquatch · NORTH BAY, ONT

Fleamarket Babes need towing too at times.

janies dirty 37 · SOUTH RIVER, ONT

lmao

hemi43 · ONTARIO

IMO, I would tint the windows black so no one can see in, and I wouldn't be telling everyone on public chatboard what I was up to. A couple years ago, DaveM and I went to the MTO and asked what the legality was of using a trailer designed as an RV to haul items. We were told that the the trailer will not be seen in the eyes of the law as an RV anymore, but will now be classified as an ordinary trailer, and will have to follow trailer rules. If you get caught with it (depending on weight) they will nail you with having no yellow sticker on it (because it's not an RV anymore), and/ or nail you with being overweight if you exceed the GVWR listed on the trailer's plate.

DB Cooper · ONTARIO

Easy solution, pack most of the items for your booth in suitcases, carry on's, duffel bags etc. Now pack the suitcases etc on top of any large items like rear ends. Anyone takes a peek inside, it just looks like you packed for a loooong trip.

Oh yeah, add some removable trim pieces that will hide the fact that the back of your trailer opens up.

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

hemi43 wrote:
IMO, I would tint the windows black so no one can see in, and I wouldn't be telling everyone on public chatboard what I was up to. A couple years ago, DaveM and I went to the MTO and asked what the legality was of using a trailer designed as an RV to haul items. We were told that the the trailer will not be seen in the eyes of the law as an RV anymore, but will now be classified as an ordinary trailer, and will have to follow trailer rules. If you get caught with it (depending on weight) they will nail you with having no yellow sticker on it (because it's not an RV anymore), and/ or nail you with being overweight if you exceed the GVWR listed on the trailer's plate.

since the trailer will still have living quarters it is still an RV, i do my homework. i am sheeting the interior so the windows will be blocked but blacking them out in behind might be a good idea.

hemi43 · ONTARIO

I do my homework too !! I wanted to use an older tow behind travel trailer to haul a couple small off-road buggys so i could skirt the law and not have to get the yellow stickers. Even if I had living quarters, they will not clasify it as an RV. The horse people are getting nailed with this also!! Some horse trailers have living quarters, but these are not RVs or toy haulers as the law sees it. I know you dont believe anything I post, so hopefully DaveM will chime up and tell you the same thing. I'm just giving you fair warning because I actualy have looked into this.

DaveM · ONTARIO

Anything hauled inside an RV is deemed cargo. At this point the RV designation becomes fuzzy and open to interpretation, their interpretation. The MTO officers told us that even patio furniture/ lawn chairs, picnic tables etc can be deemed as cargo. Put it in a storage compartment underneath and your good, but not inside the living quarters.

We were inquiring about using a travel trailer as a dual purpose by opening up the back and making it capable of carrying an ATV. "It then becomes a cargo hauler." Just like they sell these "toy hauler" trailers with full RV amenities. Full size fifth wheel units capable of loading 3-4 ATV's. Once the ATV's are loaded inside, They are a cargo trailer. They are not an RV by the letter of the MTO. Definitely some grey area.

Is it done all the time... sure it is. But they are cracking down.

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fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

hemi43 wrote:
I do my homework too !! I wanted to use an older tow behind travel trailer to haul a couple small off-road buggys so i could skirt the law and not have to get the yellow stickers. Even if I had living quarters, they will not clasify it as an RV. The horse people are getting nailed with this also!! Some horse trailers have living quarters, but these are not RVs or toy haulers as the law sees it. I know you dont believe anything I post, so hopefully DaveM will chime up and tell you the same thing. I'm just giving you fair warning because I actualy have looked into this.

you do tend to argue for the sake of it, so you do limit your credibility right or wrong. i inquired about it a year ago when i was planning on building this, of course if you are hauling certain things its obviousley a cargo hauler, not a camper. i was told if it still had quarters which were appropriate for living/sleeping and for the most part was still a camper trailer, it is still a camper. i know about the horse weirdos and their horse trailers but those are more horse trailers then campers. my rig will still be for all intensive purposes a camper without much to indentify it as a cargo hauler. i agree that if they wanted to dig deep they would find its more cargo box then camper, but thats what the courts are for. as dave states its open to interpretation, im not hauling lengths of pipe or scrap metal, and i could say im on my way to go camping, at a place that happens to be a flea market.

Larry · MINDEN, ONT

Its legal till you get caught ! ...go for it

54vicky · OAKVILLE, ONT

just tell them it came with all the extra cost options.you did not receive manual stating where they fit works for the graberment when they get questioned about this type of thing

poncho62 · ADMINISTRATOR

I thought these yellow stickers are just for commercial trailers....I have 2 cargo trailers for my own personal use, one single axle and one double 3500# axles.....no yellow stickers on them, just trailer plates

JohnnyBgood · ST CATHARINES, ONT

If plates on your tow vehical are black....your commercial. Pull with my mini van with seats in it...no sticker ..pull with my pick-up..sticker...If you sticker your truck every trailer you pull has to have a sticker. Think we beat this to death a couple of times already..

-- Edited by JohnnyBgood on Tuesday 15th of April 2014 04:54:29 PM

poncho62 · ADMINISTRATOR

JohnnyBgood wrote:
If plates on your tow vehical are black....your commercial. Pull with my mini van with seats in it...no sticker ..pull with my pick-up..sticker...If you sticker your truck every trailer you pull has to have a sticker. Think we beat this to death a couple of times already..

-- Edited by JohnnyBgood on Tuesday 15th of April 2014 04:54:29 PM

My pickup has the personal use red sticker on it....Does that make any difference? Have never been stopped pulling my trailers

54vicky · OAKVILLE, ONT

I think you will find that your truck will be OK as long as you dont exceed tow capacity of truck.also check what trailer is rated for when you registered it it will be on ownership.dont legally exceed that weight or they will insist you donate to premier whines slush fund. there is info on yellow stickers on MTO site I am sure been a few years since I dealt with it knowing the way they operate I am sure it has changed so wont comment.if you do go to read up make sure that you have a diploma in legal gooblely gook or it will leave you bewidered.I might add purchase about 800 sheets of paper for your printer and copy it to show when stopped also dont forget to enlarge the fine print and highlight the except in rare case parts ala nascar

-- Edited by 54vicky on Tuesday 15th of April 2014 05:23:26 PM

poncho62 · ADMINISTRATOR

I think I will just carry on as is and plead ignorance if the time ever comes. Both my trailers are licensed as "Home Built". All they asked me at the license office was what the trailer weighed empty.......That was about 5 years ago. In my case, it would likely never be over weight anyways. Garden tractors and sh!t

JohnnyBgood · ST CATHARINES, ONT

What in the world is a "red personal use sticker" Never heard of that before and where do I get one....?????!

hemi43 · ONTARIO

We won't beat this dead horse again, but someone please post where it says anything that blue plates are exempt. If the combined GVWR or actual weight of truck and trailer (unless it's an RV) is over 4500 KG, you will need yellow stickers on both truck and trailer. We've argued this before and I hope someone can prove me wrong because it's a crappy law.

hemi43 · ONTARIO

JohnnyBgood wrote:
What in the world is a "red personal use sticker" Never heard of that before and where do I get one....?????!

Here's the sticker;

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JohnnyBgood · ST CATHARINES, ONT

Gotta get one of those stickers......

34guy · MISSISSAUGA, ONT

My 64 ford has a primarily for personal use sticker on lt as well

hemi43 · ONTARIO

poncho62 wrote:
I think I will just carry on as is and plead ignorance if the time ever comes. Both my trailers are licensed as "Home Built". All they asked me at the license office was what the trailer weighed empty.......That was about 5 years ago. In my case, it would likely never be over weight anyways. Garden tractors and sh!t

A Home built trailer is one way to skirt the law (somewhat). A home built trailer has no RGVW, therefore the ministry will use "actual" weight, which like you said, will never be that heavy. smile

54vicky · OAKVILLE, ONT

they also require C drivers license over certain weight or they did not sure of weight even without trailer driver needs C license just to drive truck.customers wife got pulled over driving hubbies truck cost him good money this was about 10 years ago.

parklane · St THOMAS, ONT

54vicky wrote:
they also require C drivers license over certain weight or they did not sure of weight even without trailer driver needs C license just to drive truck.customers wife got pulled over driving hubbies truck cost him good money this was about 10 years ago.

I think you mean a "D" license. If the truck is registered for more than 11,000kg, doesn't matter if there is nothing in it, you need a "D" license to operate it.

34guy · MISSISSAUGA, ONT

I say go for it Rob, beat em well you can

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

hey im going camping, at the flea market with a few items I might want to sell

54vicky · OAKVILLE, ONT

parklane wrote:
54vicky wrote:
they also require C drivers license over certain weight or they did not sure of weight even without trailer driver needs C license just to drive truck.customers wife got pulled over driving hubbies truck cost him good money this was about 10 years ago.
I think you mean a "D" license. If the truck is registered for more than 11,000kg, doesn't matter if there is nothing in it, you need a "D" license to operate it.

your probably right on D I could not remember but you get what I was getting at thanks for correcting me.

DB Cooper · ONTARIO

fatstax wrote:
hey im going camping, at the flea market with a few items I might want to sell

Exactly.

I wasn't kidding when I said "pack the smaller items for sale in suitcases" and hide larger items under the suitcases. Inspector looks in and all he sees is luggage for the trip you're on.

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

well I am pretty good at talking my way out of and into trouble, I have used the double speak and the tech talk to get out of trouble before. as far as im concerned it will still be a camper, look like a camper and I will use it 4 or 5 times a year, I think the chances of being hassled are low.

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

got tons done, tandem axles installed, wheel wells, made rear frame and repaired rear of trailer, made wall separating sleeping area, should be done by next weekend.

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hemi43 · ONTARIO

Tint the windows, and no one will know any different.

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

actually I am going to put curtains in the windows since the plywood on the inside will go right over them and I don't want people seeing plywood when they happen to look in

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

Are you going to put a hinge at the bottom of the back wall, so it can open as a ramp for loading?
Sorry I haven't read the whole thread.

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

why yes that's the plan, 4 foot ramp and the rest above a hatch with gas cylinders.

slim · DUNDAS, ONT

What were you burning when you took the pictures. Sure this isn't a excerpt from cheech and chong .

Gazoo · BADEN, ONT

slim wrote:
What were you burning when you took the pictures. Sure this isn't a excerpt from cheech and chong .

My understanding is, they have a grow op next door.

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

yes there is a grow op next door but the actual cause is my phone is worn from being in my pocket all the time, it has made the lens of the camera hazy.

entourageguy · BARRIE, ONT

coming soon to a flea market neat you.

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

almost done, wiring and safety chains left to do

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took about 4 days to build, and cost about 200 dollars since I used old wood and other stuff I had laying around.

let the flea market smuggling begin.

Shop_Rat · ONTARIO

Suggest you frame that opening well...think of watching the rear of a transport trailer twist on the highway. The cargo latches are built tough for a reason. They hold the back end together more than they hold the doors cloesd

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

the back is structural steel 1.5 by 3 inch, it wont move trust me. its well hidden in the back. smuggler trailer.

Shop_Rat · ONTARIO

Ah, wasnt sure if it was just flashing

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

now as long as nobody(hemi) tells the Persians(ministry of whatever)about the hidden goat path(smuggler trailer)I should be fine.

"no im telling you, its not a camper, hes a flea market guy, ahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!

I am teh win!