Ontario truck/ trailer weight

henrys57wagon · WOODLAWN, ONT

Ontario truck/ trailer weight

hemi43 · ONTARIO

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/trucks/regulations/trailers.shtml
That link only shows the formula they use to determine the RGW needed for your truck.
In layman's terms; Most of us are rated for 3000kg (listed on the truck's ownership), but if you're going to tow a trailer heavier than 2800kg, then you will have to get this increased which will also make your yearly validation sticker more costly.

fatchuk · ST MARYS, ONTARIO

Thanks for that post and link..

Cat in the Hat · BRANTFORD, ONT

FYI

I increased my RGW on my Dodge 1500 to 4495kg

Increased my license fee to $165 a year but can legally pull car trailer

If you go to 4500kg or more..........it is now a comercial vehical and as such you must do a vehicle inspection

EVERY TIME YOU DRIVE IT...............and........yearly inspections

Just sayin

hemi43 · ONTARIO

Are you sure about that, Cat ?? True, that if the vehicle has a RGVW over 4500KG you will need a yearly inspection, but I don't think it now becomes a "commercial" vehicle needing a daily walkaround inspection. It think you're mistaking that with a CVOR. Maybe someone can post official documentation on this.

Cat in the Hat · BRANTFORD, ONT

You doubt me?

Google cvor

hemi43 · ONTARIO

Cat in the Hat wrote:
You doubt me?

Google cvor

I have looked into CVORs before, but was questioning what you said about vehicles "becoming" commercial once the RGVW is over 4500KG.

I don't think that's correct, because that would mean EVERYONE that owns a dually pickup even for personal use would have to carry a CVOR, and I know that's not the case.

A pickup truck with a RGVW over 4500KG used for personal use is NOT a commercial vehicle.IMO

-- Edited by hemi43 on Wednesday 23rd of April 2014 04:42:04 PM

hemi43 · ONTARIO

Taken from the ministry website; I've highlighted the personal pickup exemption

A CVOR certificate is required to operate commercial motor vehicles that are:
Plated in Ontario,
Plated in the U.S.
Plated in Mexico.

Vehicles that are plated in other Canadian provinces or territories – but not Ontario – do not need a CVOR certificate. They require a safety fitness certificate (NSC number) from the province or territory in which the vehicle is plated, excluding Quebec that require a Numéro d’Identification du Registre (NIR).
Note: For-hire operators of buses, including motor coaches, school buses and school-purpose vehicles, or any other motor vehicle including cars, vans and limos may also require an operating authority under the Ontario Public Vehicles Act and Motor Vehicle Transport Act (Canada). Contact the Ontario Highway Transport Board at (416) 326-6732 for more information.
Exemptions
Operators with certain types of vehicles do not need a CVOR certificate. These vehicles include:
A truck or bus that is plated in another Canadian jurisdiction
A truck with a registered gross weight (RGW) and a gross weight of 4,500 kilograms or less, whether towing a trailer or not (see Determining RGW)
A truck or bus leased by an individual for 30 days or less to move their personal goods, or to carry passengers at no fare
An ambulance, fire apparatus, hearse, casket wagon, mobile crane or tow truck
An unladen truck or bus operating under the authority of a dealer plate or service plate
A bus used for personal purposes without compensation
A motor home used for personal purposes
A pickup truck used for personal purposes (for more information on personal use pickup-truck exemptions, refer to: http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/trucks/regulations/daily/index.shtml#def06)

hemi43 · ONTARIO

Here's the definition of a "personal use pickup" taken from the ministry's website; I've highlighted pertinent information.

personal use pickup truckmeans a pickup truck;

that has a manufacturer’s gross vehicle weight rating of 6,000 kg (13,227 lb) or less, and
is fitted with either,
- the original box that was installed by the manufacturer, which has not been modified, or
- a replacement box that duplicates the one that was installed by the manufacturer, which has not been modified.
and
is being used for personal purposes without compensation, and
is not carrying, or towing a trailer that is carrying commercial cargo or tools or equipment of a type normally used for commercial purposes.

Note:

the personal use pickup exemption applies regardless of the pickup's registered gross weight or any actual weights of the pickup or trailer.
a pickup that is normally used for business purposes, including a farm plated pickup, qualifies as a personal use pickup if it complies with and is being used in accordance with the personal use pickup rules above.
a trailer that is normally used for business purposes qualifies as a personal use trailer if it complies with and is being used in accordance with the rules above and is towed with a personal use pickup.
some 450 and 550 series cab and chassis trucks are converted to large pickups or are fitted with fifth wheels for towing house or other types of trailers. This type of truck does not qualify as personal use pickup because the vehicle manufacturer did not install the box and the manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating will likely be over 6,000 kg. If the registered gross weight or actual weight of this type of truck is over 4,500 kg, the truck and any towed trailer, including a personal use trailer, are subject to daily inspection. However, this type of truck is exempt when towing a personal-use house trailer.

-- Edited by hemi43 on Wednesday 23rd of April 2014 04:51:43 PM

Cat in the Hat · BRANTFORD, ONT

Dan i agree with what your saying

FOR PERSONAL USE...... But

As soon as you put someone else's trailer or car

On your trailer whether for money or not

Your no longer personal

Say your hauling a junk car to the scrap dealer

The cars not in your name and your being paid

Just saying

If you get a Horney mto you better be a sweet tongued devil

Like fatstax. I doubt you would get off

Cat in the Hat · BRANTFORD, ONT

Btw. Show me one dually registered for 6000 or less

Most duallies today are registered for 20000 or more

Also. If the towed trailer exceeds 10000 lbs you would need an A license

427CARL · CLINTON, ONT

Thanks guys That was interesting

fatstax · COBOURG, ONT

all trucks with black plates are commercial, no matter if they have the personal use tag on the plate or don't. look at the ownership, it says COM on it, cars and other blue plated vehicles say PAS. the way I see it ive towed dirty for over 15 years, only got nailed once and had my plates pulled. I would say im pretty far ahead of the game. I am planning on stickering my trailers and truck this year as I have tempted fate long enough I think

toomuchjunk · S/W ONTARIO

Don't want to veer away from the topic but Stax talked about black plates reminded me of this.
Today I was minding my own business at a red light and noticed the car in front of me had white plates with light green digits on it. They had a small picture where the crown should be of someone hugging a tree or a windmill or something like that,, I forget exactly.
A couple of blocks later I figured out that maybe the plate had something to do with the lack of "VROOOOOM" when he pulled away and no tailpipe.
This was a new one on me,, but then I don't get out much
TMJ

hemi43 · ONTARIO

fatstax wrote:
all trucks with black plates are commercial, no matter if they have the personal use tag on the plate or don't. look at the ownership, it says COM on it, cars and other blue plated vehicles say PAS. the way I see it ive towed dirty for over 15 years, only got nailed once and had my plates pulled. I would say im pretty far ahead of the game. I am planning on stickering my trailers and truck this year as I have tempted fate long enough I think

I disagree !! All pickup trucks fall into the commercial category, but then are listed as "personal" hence the red sticker they issue at the ministry. It's a complicated nightmare. You are running a business with your truck which puts you in a different category that he guy that owns a dually which is used for personal use only. I swear they make up these F-laws so complicated to intimidate the average Joe. Bottom line is, do a bit of homework and don't let the Cop that pulls you over walk all over you. His only knowledge of the law is his interpretation.

Cat in the Hat · BRANTFORD, ONT

CORRECT!

scruffre · COBOURG, ONT

toomuchjunk wrote:
Don't want to veer away from the topic but Stax talked about black plates reminded me of this.
Today I was minding my own business at a red light and noticed the car in front of me had white plates with light green digits on it. They had a small picture where the crown should be of someone hugging a tree or a windmill or something like that,, I forget exactly.
A couple of blocks later I figured out that maybe the plate had something to do with the lack of "VROOOOOM" when he pulled away and no tailpipe.
This was a new one on me,, but then I don't get out much
TMJ

There is a couple of Chevy Volts around town with those plates on them.

slim · DUNDAS, ONT

The only place I ever found that cares whether you have the red sticker or not is at the dump. you have to run over the commercial scale then they ask you if whatever your dumping is from home and charge you the residential rate anyway. Plate cost the same it's the commercial insurance that you get dinged for.Also free loading zone parking other then that no one has said a word in 30 some odd years. I never pull a trailer so this could be the reason no one cares .

henrys57wagon · WOODLAWN, ONT

The red sticker allows you to also drive on parkways, like NCC roads(non commercial use). I have seen contractors with loads and also trailers with the red sticker on the plate.

parklane · St THOMAS, ONT

henrys57wagon wrote:
The red sticker allows you to also drive on parkways.

So then, can you also park on driveways??

henrys57wagon · WOODLAWN, ONT

I do all the time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ragtop · BELLE RIVER, ONT

fatstax wrote:
all trucks with black plates are commercial, no matter if they have the personal use tag on the plate or don't. look at the ownership, it says COM on it, cars and other blue plated vehicles say PAS. the way I see it ive towed dirty for over 15 years, only got nailed once and had my plates pulled. I would say im pretty far ahead of the game. I am planning on stickering my trailers and truck this year as I have tempted fate long enough I think

Don't all Ontario trucks have black plates? Both of my ElCaminos had to have black plates - how much weight can you haul in one of those? Not much.

fatchuk · ST MARYS, ONTARIO

I just looked and my old 01 Dakota have Black plates and Pass on the ownership..not commercial..

jim_ss409 · BARRIE, ONTARIO

I've got this Mack truck that I used to pull my race car.

I did the right thing and licenced it for 20,000 lbs. to cover the weight of the truck and trailer. I also had the annual safety sticker and figured I was OK since this is a personal vehicle and it's never hauled anything except a race car.

One day an MOT guy came by our shop to do an inspection for a garage licence. He spotted the Mack as soon as he pulled in the yard. He ran the plates and said "That truck can't be moved until you get a CVOR licence" He said anything over a certain weight is automatically considered a commercial vehicle and requires a CVOR licence.

The CVOR licence took about two months to come and I think it cost about $250

And yes, because it's a commercial vehicle I'm supposed to fill in a vehicle inspection report even if I'm just driving around the block.

I'm not using that truck these days, but I now pull TWO cars in a big stacker trailer behind a much heavier motorhome. I don't need a CVOR, I don't have to do log books, Plates are cheaper and even the insurance is cheaper.

I was reading about a guy that pulls a boat with his F350 pickup. He pulls it twice a year. Once to launch it at the marina in the spring and once to bring it back in the fall. Them made him get a CVOR licence.

I wish they would come up with a more reasonable category for non-commercial trucks that pull trailers.

Hog · WOODSTOCK, ONT

Just some info anyone interested in the Driver's Licence breakdown as per the MTO.

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Ontario driver's licence classifications:

Class A: Towed vehicles exceeding 4,600 kg, excluding a bus carrying passengers; also authorized for Class D and G.

Class B: School buses with a seating capacity for more than 24 passengers; also authorized for Class C, D, E, F, and G.

Class C: Buses, excluding school buses, with a seating capacity for more than 24 passengers; also authorized for Class D, F, and G.

Class D: Motor vehicles and combinations exceeding 11,000 kg gross weight or Registered Gross Weight (RGW); also authorized for Class G, provided the towed vehicle is not over 4,600 kg.

Class E: School buses with seating capacity of not more than 24 passengers; also authorized for Class F and G.

Class F: Buses, excluding school buses, with a seating capacity of not more than 24 passengers and ambulances; also authorized for Class G.

Class G: Any motor vehicle or combination, including a motor-assisted bicycle, not exceeding 11,000 kg RGW and towed vehicles where the towed vehicle does not exceed a Total Gross Weight (TGW) of 4,600 kg; does not include motorcycles, buses carrying passengers, or ambulances in the course of providing ambulance services.

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